WRONG! This deal could have been much better than this one. Manmohan failed to bargain properly. The deal is titled towards USA, and we are nothing more an appendage. And also, there appears no real need to go for the deal with such a haste. Why did Manmohan shy away from debate ? Why are scientists against deal ?(Most retired scientists are against it . manmohan said Bush is the most pro- India president
RE:Article is WRONG
by Anubhav Lal on Jul 14, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
But Manmohan Singh was busy bargaining support of CPI. How can he bargain his best when his supporters were betraying him
RE:Article is WRONG
by Shesh Lak on Jul 14, 2008 08:11 PM Permalink
Beggers are not choosers.. So first better understand where are you coming from. We can't dictate terms to Pak and B'Desh and you are dreaming about dicating terms to US.. CHADAR JITNI BADI HOTI HAI PAIR UTNA HI FAILANA CHAHIYE.
RE:Article is WRONG
by Falcon on Jul 14, 2008 08:19 PM Permalink
I think on issues like the nuclear deal we should have a national consensus. If a large section is opposing the deal there must be something which needs a think over. All american parties seem to be in favor of the deal so it must be more beneficial to them than us.
RE:Article is WRONG
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 14, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
You said it right, Beggers can not be choosers. Last time i visited india - i gave 1 rupee change to a begger - while boarding a rikshaw. He promptly gave it back to me saying, "sir please buy something for your kids with this." While your statement is true in general, its not true for Indian beggers! And nation is build of the people. If India is a begger then its made of beggers - and spirit has to maintained. 'nuph said!
RE:Article is WRONG
by roy philip on Jul 14, 2008 08:17 PM Permalink
No one has to dectate anything,People who are sofond of US you can very well live there. We Indians just wan't to live with dignity and prode not US servents.
RE:Article is WRONG
by Shesh Lak on Jul 14, 2008 08:31 PM Permalink
ROY.. looser don't make history it's only the winner whose name is engraved into the wall. Ask your self how much dignified you are. It easy to make hue and cry about anything but it needs guts to face the reality. You must be living in a city but have you ever been to a village and saw the living condition of poor countrymen?NO, you know why ppl like you can just enjoy beating around the bush and nothing else. We need what we need and to get that you we have to take some bold steps. More the risk, more the benefit. Other wise live like a dog by depending on others for every pie.
RE:Article is WRONG
by desikan r on Jul 14, 2008 09:33 PM Permalink
Arent you being ridiculous? Do you think that remote villages shall be supplied with electricity from nuclear energy as soon as the deal is done? All statistics on costing and infrastructure required state that the nuclear energy would be able to solve our requirement by about 6-8% by the end of the century. Would this 6-8% be for the remote rural India or for the ever-hungry ever-expanding urban India? Get your priorities right. The deal isnt going to solve any of the problems that U may have in mind. No poor countrymen that U speak of in rural areas are going to benefit very soon. So instead of rushing for whatever li'l piece of bone is thrown at U by the US and the West, try to assert your will and wish. It may not give you anything, but remember .... neither does deal........ esp for the reasons that u r supporting it for.
RE:Article is WRONG
by Bonaventure on Jul 14, 2008 08:19 PM Permalink
Manoo .. U r suffering from dyslexic amnesia... deal or no-deal you too should consider early retirement.. although U are very good with words.. I must say
RE:Article is WRONG
by west on Jul 14, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
you can only dream that the deal can be much better than this. in reality this is the best deal india could have got. don't get carried away by the dirty politics
mms said he'll have debate once the agreement gets finalised
retired scientists are like widows ... i give more importance to scientists who are still in service than to that of the retired ones.
RE:RE:Article is WRONG
by west on Jul 14, 2008 08:33 PM Permalink
you can only dream that the deal can be much better than this. in reality this is the best deal india could have got. don't get carried away by the dirty politics
mms said he'll have debate once the agreement gets finalised
retired scientists are like widows ... i give more importance to scientists who are still in service than to that of the retired ones.
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by west on Jul 14, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
you can only dream that the deal can be much better than this. in reality this is the best deal india could have got. don\'t get carried away by the dirty politics
mms said he\'ll have debate once the agreement gets finalised
retired scientists are like widows ... i give more importance to scientists who are still in service than to that of the retired ones.
The communists are against everything. China has come upto Tibet (read Railway line) and the commies seem to be waiting for then to cross the himalayas. Send the commies to China to secure a better deal for India.
RE:Well said...
by roy philip on Jul 14, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
Don't forget something, The nuclear energy we would get after the deal from all NSG countries put to gether would make up of only 5% or less total energy what the country could consume by 2030. We can still make a better deal out of it, This deal in current form will make India slide towards America in policy matters and interest. Underatand the word FREEDOM
RE:Well said...
by Shesh Lak on Jul 14, 2008 08:19 PM Permalink
FREEDOM... Do hell with freedom.. where poverty is at its peak, corruption is more important than honesty.. I'm fedup with this kind of freedom. more over, are you a nuclear scientist or a liberationist? You are commanding as if you have read the deal paper and uncle SAM and MMS invited you to review it. BLOODY LOOSER
RE:Well said...
by roy philip on Jul 15, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink
Pople like u Shesh dont know how to put words i have read the agrement and also the chinese agrement on safeguards they have not put their reactors on inspection,Mind your words also Madam.
Sreenivasan: Are you a nuke deal lobbyist? Man, its money which is speaking. We don't need to know, how much you got. There are Indians, who can sale out their families in the market, for personal gains. The Congress had nothing to show to the people of its four-and-half-years rule and through the nuclear deal it was now trying to divert the attention of the people from the 12% inflation and of mal-governance. Well done, keep it up. British ruled India 190 years, how long US shall rule? Please don't destroy our nation. Just you hate commies, that does not give any logic to support the deal, which is detrimental to our nation's interests.
RE:Deal- detrimental to our nation's interests
by Rainmaker on Jul 14, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
What rubbish!! Sreenivasan has written well, and even given a few crumbs of credit to commie Karat, which he does not deserve at all.
RE:Deal- detrimental to our nation's interests
by roy philip on Jul 14, 2008 08:08 PM Permalink
You are wornf the prime minister and the congress deserves no creted even if the nuclear deal goes through.They are just trying to sell the country,What to do some people will understand only when they face and fell it.
RE:Deal- detrimental to our nation's interests
by Shesh Lak on Jul 14, 2008 08:21 PM Permalink
At least we would be more than happy if relived of ppl like ROY PHILIP. No need of a citizen like you in India who can't see future and read the history.
RE:Deal- detrimental to our nation's interests
by asdfg on Jul 14, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
ohhh get off your soap box sesh. you don't have the moral ground to criticize anyone or ask them to leave the country. Also, on the same point if Roy doesn't have the vision so does this spineless congress govt. so if you can't oust the govt, leave the citizen's alone. get a life and leave people to their own opinion.
RE:Deal- detrimental to our nation's interests
by roy philip on Jul 15, 2008 10:15 AM Permalink
Oh really you can see future first try to understand the past
They have proved we have one of the best diplomatic team in the world. Despite the politician's claims, the real credit for getting such a good deal goes to the negotiating team who has burned mid-night oil in getting it though. There are real professionals and I hope they are kept above politics for the future advancement of India in the world whichever govt comes to power
Left follows ideology: fine. The question is Can they consider their idelogy to be above national interests? A deal that's clearly loaded in India's favour is obsessively opposed by Left- just because US is involved !! And the less said about Left making noises about India's independant foreign policy. For Half-century after independance, India was junior-partner to USSR/Communist-block, and that's considered OK ?? And what about Left supporting Mayawati (who has 96-properties), Left's amnesia on corruption. Coming to fighting Communal forces- Left implicity working with BJP to bringdown Congress.
RE:Left's hypocracy is Revealing !
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 14, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
Actually left use to follow an ideology.. now they do politics.. in case of West Bengal and Kerala they do deeds in the name of reforms that even China couldn't dare but when it comes to supporting Centre they talk about ideology.
The nuke deal is good for India and USA.The left parties are opposed to anything pro-west and democratic, whereas for the evil BJP it is a question of sour grapes of envy because it did not get a chance to execute the deal and leverage ploitical mileage.
RE:The nuke deal
by gowarishankar sharma on Jul 14, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
The govt.shud probe as to how many of the leaders of communist party have sent their children abroad for studies especially USA.The govt.should expose these hypocirtesand permanently ban all these leaders from going abroad for medical treatment and ban their children for going to WEST.These leaders shud go only to BENGAL,TRIPURA AND KERALA OR CHINA.
RE:Best deal
by Brij D on Jul 14, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
OK, let's make a deal. If this nuclear energy deal becomes harmful to India's national interests within 30 years, then all the supporters of this deal shall be publicly hanged along with their families and friends. How about that?
RE:Best deal
by Bharat Kr on Jul 14, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
Very well said, Brij. Not 30 years, we give them 5 years time. We had one Jaichand, who handed over the India to the Islamic invadors. Today, we have hundreds of Jaichands. These Jaichands eating up the nation, for their personal gain. Say no to n deal in its present form. We shall not allow our nation to be denuclearised by Congress party.
RE:Best deal
by Rainmaker on Jul 14, 2008 07:52 PM Permalink
That's fine, as long as you hang these commies if the energy situation is much better in 30 years. Actually it is getting time to hang them for their opposition to liberalization from 1947 to date. That is 60 years of lost opportunity.
RE:Best deal
by asdfg on Jul 14, 2008 10:18 PM Permalink
i don't understand the concept???? since 1947 75% of the time or maybe more, it was a full majority Congress Govt. so if no liberalization took place in the center, why blame a party who has minimum representation in the centre. don't be a hypocrite. it was the congress led UPA who gave them such a big platform, and now you blame the left??? i am no fan of the left, but congress doesn't stand in my good books either...
RE:Best deal
by Mohammed basheer on Jul 14, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
Lets first hang those people who had opposed computers, opposed liberalization and all other oppositions for the changes that were intended for the betterment of India. Once we are clean of these people, we will take up this new initiative.
Why is it that Indian diplomats, bureaucrats, politicians always dawn the attire and attitude of beggars when they go out on a mission for India? That is the reason that they come back with geals such as the 123-deal and also a refrain on their lips saying "this the best India could have ever got" or similar nonsence. OK, if this all you could ever get wht go to those buggers for any talks at all? Don't we have the self-respect to stay away from such humiliating deals and sir down by ourselves and come out with solutions to our problems, however strenuous and mind-racking the task may be? If we cannot find solutions to our own problems, then you don't deserve to call ourselves economic power or regional power or whatever. What we need is a leader of great vision who can inspire the nation to walk it alone on the lonely path to leadership in the commity of nations by our own grit, determination and super hard work. We don't need people like MMS, TPS and other so-called intellectuals.
RE:Wfy talk like a beggar?
by Bonaventure on Jul 14, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
IN any agreement you need to give 10% to achieve 90%. NO agreement is unilateral and India has got the best possible deal which is reflected by comments made by AJ Abdul Kalam, Anil Kakodkar and a strong critic of the Congress Brijesh Mishra.
Muralidhar you are talking like an ingnorant tart. its hard to have a deal with USA in the first place and if India has given 10% so be it. In the long run your children will bear fruits from the deal.
RE:Wfy talk like a beggar?
by Mohammed basheer on Jul 14, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
Communist always brand business as begging. They want local small industries to avoid begging to other big companies. They want every town, villages to be self sufficient with their small industries, farms, so that nobody is rich. This begging funda has been played by them for centuries. They even implemented it in russia and made it a bankrupt superpower by 1990. Now they are implementing this in India to make india bankrupt. Business is not begging. It is a transaction that benefits both the buyer and seller.
RE:Wfy talk like a beggar?
by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Jul 14, 2008 06:55 PM Permalink
Do you think India is anything other than a beggar in this context of nuclear deal? I don't think so. When India has no nuclear fuel, when India's nuclear energy is totally dependent on other countries, do you have any choice? In fact beggars have no choice indeed.
RE:RE:Wfy talk like a beggar?
by James Kumar on Jul 14, 2008 07:18 PM Permalink
Oye Bangali aaz Machali nahi mili to India ko Begger kahata hai..chal hata teri kali ghata
RE:Wfy talk like a beggar?
by Brij D on Jul 14, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
Actually, begging IS a choice. It's only after this choice is made, that one becomes a beggar. The alternatives to begging are: Trading, selling services, theft and robbery, working for rewards by reporting unlawful activities, apprenticeship in a new trade etc.
RE:RE:Wfy talk like a beggar?
by James Kumar on Jul 14, 2008 07:20 PM Permalink
Export all Bhattacharjee,Banargee,and all other bangalis to China with comminist party of India
RE:Wfy talk like a beggar?
by MANI on Jul 14, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
mr.chakravathy,the nuke deal is no begging.india is severly in want of power sources and we can get power by nuke energy for which we have negotiated the deal with international agencies comprising so many nuclear technology cum nuke fuel possessing countries and USA.technology and knowledge are only there to be SHARED FOR COMMON GOOD.we live in a world where we have to GIVE AND TAKE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.we all are INTER-DEPENDENT. IF MAKING-DEALING AND BARGAINING with others is begging,try living without that.IF SO, do not bargain vegetables please grow your own food,,grow your own cotton,weave using your cotton and stitch your own clothes,........etc .calling the deal begging shows YOUR IGNORANCE TO THE CORE. HAVING SAID THIS HOPE YOU READ THIS LEAVE ALONE UNDERSTANDING IT.
A propaganda by the Foreign Service who have got us in trouble on numerous occasions by such ambiguous agreements.Be it on J&K,China or even Sri Lanka.All these ambiguous agreements take us no-where.We would surrender our right to be recognised as a nuclear weapons state without gaining much in return and remain a third rate power for all times to come. No one has a right to subject our glorious country to that least of all a minority government.
