We cannot simply hate USA or any country in the world. When Russia was strong India sided with Russia and not with US. But now, US is the only super power and we should maintain good relation with US and also Russia. USA developed country and not required to depend upon any country, but India is developing country and we need every possible help from others. Just because of the past (History), if we are hating US, the loser is India only not US. Because for US there us another option Pakistan. And Pakistan is always eagerly waiting for a chance. If we miss this chance to sign the deal, Pakistan may get the same deal in future; already it has the same deal with China. If we get this deal done, not only nuclear technology and aslo we can grab many latest military weapons from US. If we miss this chance, obviously Pakistan will get more military cooperation with US.
Congress also is same as BJB. BJB is opposing the deal because of politics. Once Communist started opposing the nuclear deal with full force, Sonia and other congress memebers did not want to go for Nuclear deal just because to remain in Power. But Manmohan threatened to step down and no other way for Congress. We cannot simply forget how much Manmohan contributed for Indian economy growth. And he is well educated than Sonia and Advani and he has very good knowledge on foreign policy and had worked in many departments. He will not simply want to sign the deal without understanding the benefit of this deal. BJP oppo
Hey Amar/Lalu/Maya/Abu Azmi/Musharraf/Taliban Mullahs/Kashmiri separatists, are you not ashamed of lieing/cheating/looting/killing day in and day out. You guys have made enough money for you to last in this life time and also for ur kids. How do you sleep at night? Even if you don't make any crooked deals you will still be called successful. You guys have already killed enough in Indian subcontinent.But if you keep lieing you won't get virgins if you are a muslim or will go to heaven if ur still Hindu. Either way please consider this as good incentive and stop looting and cheating people.
RE:if bjp was in power.....
by CSHut on Jul 15, 2008 04:12 AM Permalink
I dunno about Nuke energy, but maybe gobar gas energy for sure...lot of gas coming from BJP quarters !!
RE:if bjp was in power.....
by Pradip Parekh on Jul 15, 2008 02:13 AM Permalink
gandhi party can't negotiate nothing worth a dime. bjp gave to the gandhi party on a platter a promising nuke deal with usa, and gandhi party messed up royally that simple act of following thr'. that a foreign unqualified woman presumes to appoint india's pm is the most shameful thing to ever hit this country of one billion who hellucinate that they have freedom of democrazy.
It does not seem this IAEA agreement has been realease from a verified source like the government of India. Therefor making all these conclusion are meaningless. Please get an official copy of the agreement then we will be able to discuss th finer points, but I will say adding non-nuclear material to the list of items for inspection will cause opening of all facilities not covered by direct agreement, further any fuel or nuclear material produce by those reactors under inspection will not be able to be used in any future indian reactors without those reactors being open to inspection.
But the main objection to the nuclear deal is that facilites that are used and could be used to produce bomb material will go under inspections that too international inspection from IAEA which Pakistan and CHina are both members. Further China and Pakistan are not opening any facilities that have made bomb or could have made bomb to inspections.
So please why should we go for a first generation technology deal for energy a fansty even the Americans have forgotten after Three Mile Island nuclear disaster till no one can live or go there.
Nuclear is for bomb making and nothing else unless we talk of third generation technologies like the thorium fuel cycle which this Indian government has cut the budget for the Thorium plant, Heavy Water production, and Nuclear Fuel Complex that fabricates fuel.
RE:IAEA agreement is said to have come from someone who release it from his website
by CSHut on Jul 15, 2008 04:14 AM Permalink
Did you read the separation part of the deal? Please do not spread nonsense rumors.
This Article goes into how this deal was drafted and explains the mindset of people involved in the negotiations. As the word NEGOTIATION means, both the parties have to compromise on SOME of the issues and hope to get the REST. After reading the 123 & IAEA Agreements, I found only one Clause to be somewhat objectionable and I could not get a satisfactory answer from people on the forums. To my surprise even this article does not address that and it is:
Clause 10 of the IAEA agreement states, “Nothing in this Agreement shall affect other rights and obligations of India under international law.”
Since India is not a signatory to NPT & CTBT, it has no rights but how about its obligations under them. Not signing may not remove India’s obligations if it is a LAW.
NPT does not recognize India as a nuclear weapon state, thus what will happen if India were to test a bomb. Before India was not a signatory to any agreement so it had no accepted obligations. Today India would be a signatory to this IAEA Agreement so it could have obligations. This is MY ONLY CONCERN and officials could look into this if warranted.
India is an unrecognized (recognized) responsible nuclear state and therefore I do not feel that there would be any repercussions if India were to test a bomb. This is my BELIEF (Gut feeling) and feel that India should go ahead. Furthermore, US has too many Indian Americans who could play a vital role in framing any future US policy t
RE:Clause 10
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 14, 2008 10:44 PM Permalink
can you make US issue visa to Modi? could indians stop US from sending War Ships during 1972? could indians stop US from asking india to restrain during Kargil? could indians stop US from putting senctions on India after 1998 test? I am a big supporter of Indo-US agreement. But staying in US - you can not be anti US policies if US is obligated to act according to its law. So let the Politicians in India decide, there is no role for US - Indian origin - citizens to play in this...
RE:Clause 10
by AK on Jul 14, 2008 10:58 PM Permalink
You have asked too many questions and to answer them would be giving a lecture on World Politics and may not be able to understand them.
All I will say that Open your mind and see the future. Even US, Russia & China are no longer enemies but cautious friends.
RE:Clause 10
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 14, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
your problem is you under estimate everything. you under estimated US foreign policy - and hence think that US indians would be able to guide the foreign policy of US about india in future - just as you under estimated my capabilities to understand your discourses on those questions. All i was trying to say, was Let India deal with it - the way they want - don't create the hype of strength of Indians in US. To say that Indians can guide or sterr the foreign policy of US towards India is hyperbolle and not even a wishful thinking. BTW, my press release to support N-Deal was even printed in many nationalist news papers and magazines in India. So do not advise me on looking into the future. I am nationalist Hindu, and I know the visions and predictions of Swami Vivekanand and Sri Aurobindo - vis a vis US's relationship with India is concerned. 'nuph said.
RE:Clause 10
by AK on Jul 14, 2008 11:21 PM Permalink
Just beacsue you have written articles in newspapers, it does not mean you have an open mind.
Open mind means read and comment on issues. You did not even read my statement. I stated Indian Americans "COULD" play a vital role...similar to Jewish Americans.
I am sure you have your opinion on US invading Afghanistan & Iraq eventough you are not a citizen of either.
So you should not be paranoid about my comments but answer my concern if you are so knowledgeable or discuss issues on the Agreements.
RE:Clause 10
by CSHut on Jul 15, 2008 04:31 AM Permalink
Appreciate your viewpoints. Testing under the deal is allowed, if India is threatened. Also, testing may not be required anymore, as most advancements can be made by super computer simualtion. Testing is just a good deterrant tool...but that would mean under severe threat.
RE:Clause 10
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 15, 2008 03:26 AM Permalink
AK, To answer your concerns, all are hypothetical. How the future would work out, and is it worth gambling this deal is the question that needs to be answered. It is possible that India and some of its industries would become dependable on this energy. And then to do a test would be economically just not possible, for the slightest fear of making lacks of people unemployed and billions may go in waste. The question is do you want to gamble or not? It may be possible that USA may well be a great friends with india, and together they bring about new world order. Or may be india would be perpectually in state of fear from N power of Pakistan and China. Thats the call. What I believe is while India must pursue good relations and some such tie with US, there is no need to act like there is no tomorrow. Its a destiny of India and US to work together - and that can happen only if India acts like a country and not begger. Like NDA did the test w/o worrying about the sactions. And they, like you, banked on the NRIs wealth in terms of India bond, and sailed through the hardships of the sanctions.
RE:Clause 10
by AK on Jul 15, 2008 08:27 PM Permalink
You are correct in saying that lot of answers are hypothetical.
Legally, language of the agreement wise, I do not see any problem except the concerns about Clause 10, I gave my opinionon my gut feeling.
Today KRISHNAKUMAR P wrote a article that explains some of the salient points of this agreement. He explains that this agreement is for civilina nuclear cooperation and thus military aspect does not come into picture, so I assume that India's obligations under NPT & CTBT remain status quo.
I have been advocating that India should not have FEAR of US.
If there are no concerns left, then this is as good a time as any. India should go ahead irrespective of consequences.
RE:Clause 10
by Nithin Sadasivan on Jul 15, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
The only repercussions India is going to face is the same it faced when it tested its first nuke in 1974, the outside fuel supplies are going to dry up. Since the IAEA deal have a clause saying India can take "corrective measures" faced with such a situation is good as it does not say what kind of corrective measures.
Whether the N Deal benefits infrastructure in India or not, only time will tell. But it was necessary to have strategic tie-up with USA at this point in the interest of our sovereignty. We can not live for ever with policies of the government being dictated by agents of China
Is there a clause in the deal where we can scrap the deal if we feel the deal is not benefiting us 5 years from now. Forgive my naivety as I am not good at such issues.
RE:Question
by Bonaventure on Jul 14, 2008 08:56 PM Permalink
Of course, either party can unilaterally terminate the agreement giving one year notice of its intention to do so.
RE:Question
by ramanujan r on Jul 14, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
Sorry boss, theres nothing of that sort. You would've invested so many millions into the infrastructure by then. If U decide to wihdraw U would have to return all the fissile material back and be left with no fuel to run your reactors. Would result in shutting down of even greater number of industries which are going to be directly or indirely linked to them. Industries and towns being supplied electricity from these plants would face a black-out if U have to return all the fuel required to run it. And e sure that every little ounce of uranium supplied by the NSG to us would be accounted. Plainly said, we wouldnt be able to afford a pull-out. And that subjects us to a state of dependency to the IAEA, US and its Hyde Act and the rest of the nuclear world in 'perpetuity'.
RE:Question
by Falcon on Jul 14, 2008 09:56 PM Permalink
So once we are into it there is no turning back and our dependency on the US will be absolute. Is there no way to develop our own resources over these years. I find absolute dependency frightening given the fragile world political scenario.
A very well balanced article about Nuclear deal. Some of the messages by other readers are in bad taste. As an Indian I ask all my fellow citizens, What are we doing for our nation? Just saying bad things about our politicians and how India is begger, we should analyze ourselves. Can we Indians eat one time (as Shastri said) to prevent food famine? Can we Indians cut down pollution by driving Bicycles to work and colleges? Lets come together as nation to help every Indian. Not simply by bad mouth each other or using issues like caste system, minority etc. If India wants to be recognized by world as a great Civilization, then lets sacrifice for our Motherland. Question is do we want to do it? I ask all Indians to ponder on this question and start helping the nation in anyway possible. Best of Luck.
Most of the readers in this column write totally unrelated matters and most of the times it is abusive about the Politicians. It is more of psycological phenominon among the educated lot in India. Always they talk ill of all politicians irrespective of party. No one seems to stick to the topic of discussion. It is not at all healthy.
Rediff. com shall do something about it. Otherwise, people will loose interest in reading the Rediff.com messages.
