RE:US Nuclear deal
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 04:09 AM Permalink
Sooner or later he will make sure that BJP(So called hindu party) breaks the deal and provoke Provoke China (Security Council) to escalate the situation and attack India to rubbles. Once the deal is done and India is contained, most of the G8 countries don't need Indian software skills anymore and drive them back for the scare of their lives.
RE:US Nuclear deal
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 04:13 AM Permalink
Remember China is ahead of US in many aspects and going to dictate terms even to USA.
RE:US Nuclear deal
by redindian on Jul 12, 2008 06:20 AM Permalink
Chinese can't cope with the Americans, the Americans know that.. at any time if they try to ... they will be another USSR.. Americans are leaving the strings loose to catch the so called big fish at an appropriate time !!!
RE:US Nuclear deal
by Albert Adibadla on Jul 12, 2008 04:41 AM Permalink
MODI THE CHILD OF ARAB IMMIGRANT WHO CONVERTED TO HINDUISM DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT NUCLEAR MEANS-- HE THINKS THAT IT IS A TREE WHICH GROWS MANGOS
RE:RE:US Nuclear deal
by redindian on Jul 12, 2008 06:27 AM Permalink
If Modi is from an Arab Gene, all the muslims should support him (Because he is bhai bhai). The communal fightings and killings were there in Arab countries centuries ago.
RE:IS RSS/BJP BEHIND BOMB BLASTS IN INDIA???
by sandeep on Jul 12, 2008 06:27 AM Permalink
@Albert weekend aaya chal njoi kar... tereko kya mila amarnath transfer yah na transfer se.. faltu main bhokta hain...
RE:IS RSS/BJP BEHIND BOMB BLASTS IN INDIA???
by Indian Indian on Jul 12, 2008 03:26 AM Permalink
Now you'll tell me that the terrorists who are celeberating on revoction of Amarnath Land transfers are RSS workers...BJP RSS killed 10000 Sikhs In Delhi, and RSS killed the Kar sevaks in Godhra... It's because of people like you India is a completely divided country..We have a foreigner who had no emotions for India become our most powerful leader and everybody talks about Muslim votes and Muslim rights nobody cares for Hindus..
RE:IS RSS/BJP BEHIND BOMB BLASTS IN INDIA???
by Albert Adibadla on Jul 12, 2008 03:47 AM Permalink
YES.. WHO IS THE ULTIMATE BENEFICIARY IN THE AMARNATH LAND TRANSFER?? - BJP!!!
CONGRESS GOVT DONATED THE LAND TO AMARNATH. PDP WAS NUDGED BY BJP TO AGITATE.
RE:IS RSS/BJP BEHIND BOMB BLASTS IN INDIA???
by Indian Indian on Jul 12, 2008 04:04 AM Permalink
What kind of a person you are ?? You don't have any senses.. BJP instigated PDP to to agitate, yeh ilzaam tou be-akal soniya ne bhee nahee lagaya ?? Agar tere pet main dard hota hoga tou tu sochta rehega Advani ne tere ko zahar khilya hai. You are a psycho..
RE:RE:IS RSS/BJP BEHIND BOMB BLASTS IN INDIA???
by Albert Adibadla on Jul 12, 2008 04:40 AM Permalink
IN THE LAND WHERE BJP BLAMES NEHRU AND ABUSES A 60 YEAR OLD GRANDMOTHER WHO LOST HER HUSBAND AND MOTHER IN LAW TO TERRORISTS.. I CAN CLAIM ANYTHING I WANT... ASK YOUR BJP FRIENDS TO STOP AND THEN I WILL ALSO STOP..
RE:IS RSS/BJP BEHIND BOMB BLASTS IN INDIA???
by CatchTwentyTwo on Jul 12, 2008 05:04 AM Permalink
WHAT IS WRONG IF IN INDIA YOU GIVE EQUAL RIGHTS AND RESPECT TO EVERY INDIAN, without prejudice of race, color, skin, birth place, religion and all the other divisive factors that are out there?
RE:WHY IS BJP BAD FOR INDIA - AND WHY IS CONGRESS GOOD FOR INDIA
by Indian Indian on Jul 12, 2008 03:43 AM Permalink
"None of the India's enemies respect Advani, Vajpayee" why should our enemies love them. They are loved here. Just because of few nut heads like you Vajpayee's status cannot come down he's one of the most popular and most respected leaders India has ever produced...regarding AI highkjack, what could have been done when a plane with 170 Indian citizens was sitting in Terrorists land waiting to be blown up any moment. Mumbai Attacks, Jaipur atacks, Varanasi attacks, Hyderabad attacks, Bangalore attacks all has happened in past 4 years. You need to open your eyes and start seeing what sardaar had been or not been doing...
RE:WHY IS BJP BAD FOR INDIA - AND WHY IS CONGRESS GOOD FOR INDIA
by Albert Adibadla on Jul 12, 2008 03:52 AM Permalink
THE TERRORISTS ATTACKS AND INDIA'S EMBARASSEMENT DURING BJP RULE WAS 10000 TIMES WORSE THAN BOMB BLASTS IN PAST 4 YEARS IN BJP RULED STATES AND WHERE BJP IS POWERFULL...
I WONDER WHY THE TERRORISTS ARE NOT CAUGHT.. BJP IS THE POLITICAL BENEFICIARY OF SUCH ATTACKS. IS THIS THE HANDIWORK OF BJP/RSS PEOPLE?? MOST OF THE ATTACKS HAPPENED IN MUSLIM AREAS..
HISTORY HAD TOLD US THAT BJP/RSS IS CAPABLE OF DOING WORSE THINGS... CAN YOU SAY WITH FULL FAITH THAT BJP/RSS WILL NOT DO BOMB BLASTS TO WIN NEXT ELECTIONS..
RE:WHY IS BJP BAD FOR INDIA - AND WHY IS CONGRESS GOOD FOR INDIA
by viswanatha seshadri on Jul 12, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
Navaz Sharief himelf said he allowed the kargil intrusion only bec he hoped sonia will be in charge in Delhi very soon, not taking the loss of kashmir very seriously, since her main objective was to instal a catholic dynasty in power in new delhi.
RE:WHY IS BJP BAD FOR INDIA - AND WHY IS CONGRESS GOOD FOR INDIA
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 03:54 AM Permalink
I am not a BJP supporter but let me tell you. Your thought is being diverted from the Nuclear Agreement to anger against BJP. Even BJP didn't want this current situation to happen. It has been the Congress leader Sonia who has been incharge of the Party and the government. And she(knowingly or unknowingly)is using this agreement process and govt resources to psychologically tune the country to think that she is the only well wisher of the country while all the MPs who are against her are dumb and stupid.
RE:WHY IS BJP BAD FOR INDIA - AND WHY IS CONGRESS GOOD FOR INDIA
by cattamanchi chaitanya on Jul 12, 2008 04:23 AM Permalink
My only reason for hating congress "It Has a dummy person as the PM of India " Which i really hate
RE:WHY IS BJP BAD FOR INDIA - AND WHY IS CONGRESS GOOD FOR INDIA
by Faceless Indian on Jul 12, 2008 05:59 AM Permalink
When was the last time you voted in India you chewtiyaaaa joker ? People who don't live in India or vote in the elections don't have any freakin' right to bark about who is in power in India
Why all the sanctions invoked after Pokran were lifted after some time?. Did US want to help us by lifting the sanctions? No. it was affecting both countries interests. The wanted to resume all the business they lost due to santions.
If India wanted to do the n-clear test again. It does't have to care about Hyde act or any other act if circumstances necessitates. The consequences would be not getting nuclear fuel from NSG countries. That means they all will lose business with India.
If India is powerful at that time, all the NSG countries will simply pass one law and bring back the business again.
India can not ask to alter Hyde act right now based on what is going to happen after five years. To my knowledge n-deal is good for India.
People who are discussing here are having their political tag always. I couldn't find a single person without political tag even in the serious dicussion like n-deal.
Let us discuss simply whether the n-deal is good or bad instead of shouting at MM, Sonia and Advani.
RE:N-deal
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 03:03 AM Permalink
Correct the sanctions will be imposed each time a Non-Congress govt is in power and can be lifted only after Sonia or her appointees head the Congress and Congress is in power.
RE:N-deal
by All Right on Jul 12, 2008 03:07 AM Permalink
The Hyde Act is a domestic Act of the US, whose provisions cannot be imposed on India one of India's domestic act cannot be imposed on the US.
The exception is where such an Act clearly mention as over-riding the 123 Agreement signed between India and US. No such mention of Hyde was mentioned specifically.
The Hyde Act was used only as a bogey by the Left to oppose the deal.
RE:RE:N-deal
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 03:17 AM Permalink
Hyde act imposes restrictions on the companies that do business in USA and whom they do business with. These companies exist in most of the NSG countries. If they have to do business with India they should stop doing business in US which is not possible for them to stay in business.
RE:N-deal
by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:24 AM Permalink
USA acts are not like our laws, until unless they see a great business in India and change the Hyde act.So dont dream of Hyde act being toothless.
RE:N-deal
by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:19 AM Permalink
Exactly. When you enter into deal, restriction from one side automatically becomes an obstacle for the other side. To understand this simple logic one doesnot require to be IIM passout.
RE:N-deal
by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:36 AM Permalink
Worrysome is Hyde act and US congress will ratify the agreement but Hyde will be an obstacle for India always.
RE:N-deal
by AK on Jul 12, 2008 03:45 AM Permalink
For US Congress to ratify this agreement against the specifics of their own Act, they will have to make an India specific amendment to the Act.
RE:RE:N-deal
by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:25 AM Permalink
It cannot. You wait and watch. USA will never compromise with their domestic legal ethics for any other countries in the world.
RE:N-deal
by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:41 AM Permalink
Deal can not become a law overriding any existing act. To understand this simple thing you dont need to be expert about USA's constitution. Hyde act will be there and can always influence the parties involved in the nuclear deal.
RE:RE:RE:N-deal
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 03:20 AM Permalink
What "corrective measures" will india take on a company that closes its business and disappears. And after damaging itself by spending billions on the equipment.
People who are discussing here are having their political tag always. I couldn't find a single person without political tag even in the serious dicussion like n-deal.
RE:N-deal
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 03:30 AM Permalink
Its not politics. If you take a wrong decision just because you and your friend feels good about it. It is going to affect many future generations. All that non-congress parties are asking for is to have a detailed review of the agreement by the Members of the Parliament. If you try to push it through without convincing the representatives of the people concerned, you are trying to provoke the other parties and planting a seed for the agreement to be broken later and put the country in a embaressing and economically unstable situation.
RE:N-deal
by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:39 AM Permalink
Very very democractic views. Infact its pity that our govt has chose the time to discuss the deal is now. US senate has done it a year ago. Our parliament was kept in dark about the details of the deal. Still there is no info about total cost expenditure for technology transfer, cost of power production etc.
RE:N-deal
by west on Jul 12, 2008 08:59 AM Permalink
if you don't know ... even the USA started to discuss the iaea safeguards only now. think outside of your text book questions for a while and u will see the benefits of the deal. this deal is all about strategic relationship. if you don't know what that means ... u won't get an answer for your questions.
AGREEMENT FOR COOPERATION BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA CONCERNING PEACEFUL USES OF NUCLEAR ENERGY (123 AGREEMENT)
The Government of India and the Government of the United States of America, hereinafter referred to as the Parties,
RECOGNIZING the significance of civilian nuclear energy for meeting growing global energy demands in a cleaner and more efficient manner;
DESIRING to cooperate extensively in the full development and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes as a means of achieving energy security, on a stable, reliable and predictable basis;
WISHING to develop such cooperation on the basis of mutual respect for sovereignty, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality, mutual benefit, reciprocity and with due respect for each other's nuclear programmes;
DESIRING to establish the necessary legal framework and basis for cooperation concerning peaceful uses of nuclear energy;
AFFIRMING that cooperation under this Agreement is between two States possessing advanced nuclear technology, both Parties having the same benefits and advantages, both committed to preventing WMD proliferation;
NOTING the understandings expressed in the India - U.S. Joint Statement of July 18, 2005 to enable full civil nuclear energy cooperation with India covering aspects of the associated nuclear fuel cycle;
AFFIRMING their support for the objectives of the International Atomic Energy Age
Forget about all the benefits about the deal. If the deal is fully implemented: 1.India has to spend Millions to reorganize the plants. 2.The Strategic programme will be pushed back by 2 decades for lack of funds. 3.Possibility of Fast breeder technology being sold-out by disappointed scientists. 4.No funds for new fast breeder reactors because, once the foreign suppliers get involved the perks are irresistable and No politician or Beauraucrat would want to think about it. 5. High production costs. 6. And spanking from G8 so called friends each time they talk against their "get one enemy country at a time" plan for religious dominance.
RE:Balance of power
by Rakesh on Jul 12, 2008 02:47 AM Permalink
you are the one who seems to be speaking sense as we are the country who cant feed our citizens how will we go ahead with all this
RE:Balance of power
by Surabi Dilliwala on Jul 12, 2008 02:49 AM Permalink
And India can be contained forever by the Security Council even if they test a mini-nuke (bunker busters). China will always get the advantage being a member of it.
RE:Balance of power
by karan on Jul 12, 2008 02:57 AM Permalink
And if deal doesn't go through we will sweat without electricity...Resources are exhausting.. 70% of US energy comes out of Nuclear reactors.. People like left/BJP wants India to be 3rd world country forever,
RE:Balance of power
by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:12 AM Permalink
less than 20% of USA energy comes fron Nuclear reactors. Chek your facts. Do u count farting as nuclear energy?
Lotg of people believe that India and US are natural allies for a long time to come. I have a different theory and would like comments for people on the forum.
India and US are the two biggest democracies and mostly free enterprises.
English has become a common means of communication.
India is a growing economy by shear size of its population.
India does not listen to west but has mind of its own in the world forum.
Does not this make for a cold relations in the long run, similar to US, France & Russia.
'Puppet' wants to just stick to his chair. It does not matter if the inflation is going crazy, share market crashing every day, every thing is getting costly day by day and now industrial groth gone to 3% compare to 10% of last April. What matters for him and Italiano is that Uncle Sam should not get angry. Looks like Pupet got some offer from Uncle Sam...May be a Texas Ranch next to Uncle Sam's. Then both can enjoy there rest of the life saying we made history.
When India became independent, those who framed our Constitution felt that those Indians who had migrated to countries such as Mauritius, Fiji, etc during British rule and acquired the citizenship of the country of adoption should have the right and opportunity to aspire to the highest office if they chose to renounce their foreign citizenship, returned to India, and resumed their Indian citizenship. Hence, they did not put a bar on an Indian citizen of foreign origin aspiring to any office. They did not visualise the possibility that one day a foreigner who became an Indian citizen by virtue of marriage might benefit from this provision to become prime minister.
After this loophole surfaced, we should have tried to amend the Constitution. Unfortunately, our politicians did not do it and now they cannot do it because of the fact that since 1989 no political party by itself has had the requisite majority.
Does it mean we have to accept this as an unpleasant reality and live with it, instead of raising it and drawing public attention to it? No. The fact that something cannot be changed does not mean that one should not try to change it. but now i think we are a step ahead and signing the treaty.
RE:RE:RE:thanks to indian constitution.
by AK on Jul 12, 2008 02:42 AM Permalink
Whar does this have to do with the agreement. Most of the Indians agree that this is in the interest of India.
RE:thanks to indian constitution.
by Rakesh on Jul 12, 2008 02:45 AM Permalink
well if this is in the interest of india then why can they just put it in plain black and white befor ethe people of india and let them decide about it i m here speaking about sonia ji and how she has made a puppet out of singh and us indians and why this happened because of the flaw in the constitution.
RE:thanks to indian constitution.
by AK on Jul 12, 2008 02:53 AM Permalink
How wouyld people of India sign an agreement. It is the job of the elected people. Both agreements are now available on the internet.
If we discriminate against a foreigner in India then we should accept discrimination against Indians in other countries.
Is this your logic.
We should be educated and learned enough to vote on issues rather than follow the leader.
When a born foreigner become head of state, there is a perceived Conflic of Interest and that may have been the reason why Sonia Gandhi did not accept the post of PM.
However she has a higher post than that. In Indian parliamentary system of Governancy, Party picks a PM and she being head of a party automatically becomes highr than the PM.
