The UPA Government has led India into a binding commitment that has little to do with the production of civilian nuclear energy and everything to do with bringing us within the restrictive framework of nuclear non-proliferation. The 'deal' is not about liberating India from the clutches of wayward oil-producing nations and the vagaries of fossil fuel, but binding us to the interests of the non-proliferation lobby and the business interests of the nuclear power industry.
RE:Surrender of India
by Suresh Bhave on Jul 12, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
If American opposition and Leftists in India agree that the deal is a sellout by their respective governments to their opposite number, it seems that it must be a good thing. Only thing that irks democratic Inidians and Americans is the secrecy in which the agreement is shrouded. Therefore there cannot really be a well informed debate on the issue at all. Even among the nuclear establishment in India there is no unanimity about the agreement. I happened to attend a lecture on the deal and there a scientist from BARC objected to the speaker's contention that Indian civilian nuclear power program could not survive without tech support from nuclear powers. He said they had developed the technology but were not permitted to use it. This makes it seem that a lot of money can be made in tech imports and that must be the lure for the sellers and buyers, that is Indian officials. One would mind that very much, but corruption in now well established and has gained social acceptance in the highest and the lowest circles, therefore one only hopes that the deal is what American and Indian opponents claim it to be, a mutual sellout for mutual benefit.
This is a clear US blackmailing tactics to get the deal done, which only benefits US and made India as their slaves. Its a clandestine deal of MM Singh-Sonia govt from postition of weakness, who want to make India sub-servient to US and westrern nations. This deal will put India on a par with other States that were not nuclear weapon States.
RE:US blackmailing tactics to get the deal done
by hitesh kharwa on Aug 01, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
I am agree with you friend but our selfish leaders hah. I want to ask why united states dont keep safe guards in his country wot keep watch. Its very risky to keep another army in our country. I can understand sonia is not Indian so she doenot care about respect of country but Manmohan is Indian why he wants to make whole country slave of usa?. Sardar pagal hogaya hai or he loves his chair too much. If u did that your name will be written in BLACK WORDS in Indian history.
Some people outside are trying to prevent India getting this special status outside NPT, a unique one which only benefits India. Poor Advani and his party is working against our own countrys interest and trying everything to bring down the govt and prevent this deal happening... losers!
RE:situation
by Krishnan Hariharan on Jul 11, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
don't blame BJP for everything... u guys always divide the country and don't give credit to deserving people... u people are worse than scum! It is the responsibility of the ruling party to do good to the country and take appropriate decisions, why blame Advani for everything u feel is bad with the country.... try and blame yourself and the parties which u support .... see the truth squarely!
RE:situation
by Cool Customer on Jul 12, 2008 01:16 AM Permalink
Hyde Act is a US Domestic Law. It determines US actions. The Hyde Act does not apply to India or this agreement. It is concern because US has to act by that law when passing issues that relate to this agreement.
However, nothing it the Hyde Act can stop or determine India's actions. It is not legal and binding on us.
I cannot guage the true picture both from the Bush and Manmohan administration followed by the remarks made by the senetor. One side the sce of state and her deputy make a statment in the commitee that India will be bound by the Hyde act and article 123 which I understand clearly locks Indias position to experiment any further nuclear test unless it wanted to attract stringent back lash from the NSG and return of all the hard ware and material which of course we would have already paid for. But now we seem to be reading a statement from the democrate senetor that the bush amdn with the IAEA is virtually thrown out the rule book for India. Is this a calulated statement to appease the people who oppose the deal or are the playing to the Indian gallery the public in general who too are mostly opposed to the finer points of the deal. Will the authority in the field please stand up and not behave like politicians and play from both sides of the court. Let us know what the hell this draft is all about in clear terms. We have a news channel saying its a fantastic deal but then I dont trust the english tv channels nuch and they have their lobbies.
Careful reading of the text of the agreement shows that there is no real escape clause for india from perpetual safeguards.The senator is right.Legally binding requirements should be couched in unambigous terms;but if it is not so,it is in no way confers an advantage to India.Because india being a receipient state, lacking political or economic clout at international level,can always be controlled by the Hyde Act.
RE:india-IAEA agreement worse than useless
by om pandey on Jul 11, 2008 01:10 PM Permalink
Their will always be If and but raised by you Leftists.This deal has given India a Nuclear state recognition by world leaders.Hyde act will remain in US lesislation records.Indians don,t need to worry about it.Only the day US is hell bent to destroy India for reasons left can fore see.Hyde act or no act they will do it.
RE:india-IAEA agreement worse than useless
by pjothilingam on Jul 11, 2008 08:43 PM Permalink
The whole purpose of the safeguards agreement is to operationalise the Indo-US nuke deal.This is the stated objective.The nuke deal is governed by the US Hyde Act.This is binding on the US.Certainly it is not binding on India.But the cost of noncompliance with the provisions of the Hyde Act for India will be enormous,economically, and this is the DETERRENT which could be very much worse than sanctions.After signing the safeguards accord,can we ignore the US, for whatever reason,and engage in nuclear commerce with other NSG countries?I believe not,because the same US which is supposed to lobby for India for getting exemption,can use its clout to dissuade the supplier countries from supplying nuke fuel to india.
RE:india-IAEA agreement worse than useless
by Krishnan Hariharan on Jul 11, 2008 08:08 PM Permalink
US can do nothing to us as long as we have great friends in China, Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh
If India becomes dependant on imported nuclear technology and fuel then the easiest way to control India would be to control its technology flow and fuel.
If crude oil supply is stopped to us today most of our transport network would collapse in no time.
Its a more powerful weapon than a nuclear bomb and a major reason why a country should have complete self sufficiency in terms of its power needs.
We pray to sun but not use its energy to make our selves independent.
The US will always safeguard its interests and so will any other country, then why should we be willingly going back into dependency on others ?
Or are we driven by some need to be ruled or dictated by others ?
RE:Making India dependant on imported nuclear fuel
by Sincere Citizen on Jul 11, 2008 10:21 AM Permalink
Also do not forget that most of our fuel and defence related imports have been mired with accusations of huge kickbacks.
Its the money of "aam aadmi" we are talking about.
As Mr. Markey says if we can do what ever we want (one day electricity and one weapons) thats great. But the draft doesn't specify that come what may the IAEA would not stop the nuclear fuel to india. Thats a great problem. Think that you are running the 50% of the country on the electricity and one day the NSG bans fuel to india. Then would you be able to sustain the same growth?? Its a real weapon (More than 100 nuclear missiles) the IAEA (US) is having to control the nuclear capability of India. Thats the major concern, we have to get that clarified and printed in the draft that @ any given point of time in future the NSG or the IAEA would supply the fuel. This would be a good negotiation from the Indian government.
All you people those who are against of Congress moov & N-Deal, How can you say that they are misleading the nation. In my observation it is the most critical situation for Congress to go for Parliamentary election B’coz everything is against of them : They badly lost in most of the states, The current inflation rates are very high., Congress being the most unpopular between people just B’coz of current Inflation crises, If they going through this Deal their are possibility of losing Muslim faith also and this also benefit the other parties indirectly. Congress knows clearly that if they stepped out lefts would not be ready to support them at all Government will falls and this lead to election. They also knows that peoples in India does not like to use or put pressure on their Brain, they always follows the sentences comes from Big mouth. And this suggest that Congress will going to lose. Even though they knows situation not favoring them but they have guts to go ahead on this N-deal just B’coz they knows that this Deal will good for the country future.
RE:Deal is good for India, don't think negative.
by Sincere Citizen on Jul 11, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
They are using the N-deal as their biggest achievement and victory over others (left and BJP) hence they will milk it to the end.
Even if the deal does not go thru' they will keep blaming others for the same.
Its like Bofors and other such import related scandals, if the deal goes thru' unending bribes and money supply during fuel / technology imports if it does not go thru' then shun all accountability for power crisis and blame others for the same.
RE:Deal is good for India, don't think negative.
by Krishnan Hariharan on Jul 11, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
the Congress are the most God-forsaken, pitiable political party I have ever seen... let me recount their faults
* as an inheritance from the British these are the guys who always "divide and rule" based on Hindu/muslim, upper/lower caste reservations * they NEVER have helped the majority people and appeased the minorities * they have never ever been strong in border related issues (kashmir/assam/bengal/tibet) * they have always underestimated the power of the local native people of the country in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Gujarat, Punjab and so on * they have propagandised the Nehru family under the guise of "Gandhi" and made it the only option left for the poor people * in the name of secularism they have given a free hand to Christianization of the country's villages!
I pray to God, Rab, Jesus and Allah that this party is totally routed in all the elections. May the good and the honest politicians from all the other parties prosper and taste victory and may the Indian people be happy and prosperous and loving. May the whole world be benefited from the peace flowing from India!
