2.to tell the cost which will be ultimately passed on consumers as cess.
3.what would be the tariff structure. will this result in absurd increase of power tariffs
4. how much power will be produced.
5.location of projects.
6. details of uranium reserves in the country.. there was an investigative report in HT that uranium reserves in india are enough to last 50 years and govt. is hiding this fact to buy expensive uranium from other countries and exchange money in between .
7.why can't untapped hydro,solar and wind sources of energy be used which will be less costly than uranium
8. will it take 15-20 yrs to operationalise this deal?
9.is this deal's publicty is to divert attention to the problem of roti kapda and makan being faced by common person of the country.
anti common man cong should answer this.the idiot fake economists destructive trio of mm singh,p.chidambaram, and ms ahluwalia should answer this.shameless anti common man people
AND I know i have been posting message for quite a few days BUT my aim is to see that maximum people see this deal from above logical point of view AND any person who have read it before may ignore it.AND any person who who has not read it must read it.I have posted above questionairre to concerned ministery also long back.no reply till date.
RE:questions
by rocker on Jul 09, 2008 05:18 PM Permalink
ALSO TELL IF OTHER COUNTRIES FANCY STOPPING SUPPLY OF URANIUM,WHAT ACTION PLAN DOES GOVT. HAVE.AND WHY US HAS NOT OBTAINED POWER FROM THIS SOURCE IN ITS OWN BACKYARD.
RE:questions
by sunilkumar on Jul 09, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
nice comment rocker. in addition to what u asked the gvt has to tell what the us or any supplier country will get? whether hyde act is applicable or not? whether india has freedom to buy fuel from other countries as well? and also is india free to do testint etc?
RE:questions
by CatchTwentyTwo on Jul 10, 2008 03:44 AM Permalink
questions by rocker on Jul 09, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink | Hide replies
we want:
1.to give full detail of deal to common person. What details do you need?
2.to tell the cost which will be ultimately passed on consumers as cess. more than the current cost as this will include additional expenditure to set up and operationalize. you have to pay to get the benefit and the cost will perhaps be twice what you are paying now.
3.what would be the tariff structure. will this result in absurd increase of power tariffs there will be increase in trarriff structre but not absurd increase.
4. how much power will be produced. 20% more than what is being produced now in about
5.location of projects. tbd
6. details of uranium reserves in the country.. there was an investigative report in HT that uranium reserves in india are enough to last 50 years and govt. is hiding this fact to buy expensive uranium from other countries and exchange money in between .
please present proof of the same:
7.why can't untapped hydro,solar and wind sources of energy be used which will be less costly than uranium becuase they cannot provide the same amount of power. they can be harnessed with out any additional support, security concerns or any other problems.
8. will it take 15-20 yrs to operationalise this deal? perhaps
9.is this deal's publicty is to divert attention to the problem of roti kapda and makan being faced by common person of the
Looks like most people in this forum are taking that deal is in national interest.The deal is in the interest of america and not India.IF you think India will be full of lights after the deal think again, the nuclear energy will meet only less than 10% of our needs.But we effectively give ourselves to US in that matter. Just think, IF SOMEONE TOLD YOU, I WOULD GIVE YOU ELECTRICITY AT HOME ONLY TO MEET 10% OF YOUR NEEDS, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT I SAY, MY ENEMY WILL BE YOUR ENEMY, YOU WILL HAVE TO TOE MY LINE ON VARIOUS ISSUES AND IN SHORT YOU WILL HAVE TO DANCE TO MY TUNES................Will you accept this???????? This is what you get wuth the deal,may be unwritten but clearly implied..
BJP supporters in rediff, mostly pizza delivery boys in US,are supporters of nuclear deal, except for the BJP leaders, who were the original beggars of the deal.
These PIZZA delivery boys or walmart shelf fillers in US are so indebted to US that they refuse to see the long term interests of India.
And they would like it anytime of the day to do muslim-bashing. Ordinary Muslims can never do anything right.He is criticised for whatever he does. Poor ordinary educated muslims seem to hvae resigned to their miserable fate.What a pity.
RE:no to deal
by raj sreedhar on Jul 09, 2008 05:59 PM Permalink
Hello Mr.Anup Nair. Are you living in the US? You seems very ignorat about the United States. Your last name say you are from Kerala. You state still strugling with power cut and unemployement. Your Commie brothers have ruling the state.No respect for rule of law. CITU so called "labor" union act like thugs. Is there anything wrong in delivering pizza? Is it consider as bad in your book? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF "DIGINITY OF LABOR"? SO MANY MALLUS ARE DRIVEN AWAY TO GULF COUNTRIES TO DO VERY LOW WAGE LABOR JOB WITH GOOD EDUCATION? WHY? YOUR COMMUNISM DONT PROVIDE JOB OR PROSEPERITY IN THE ECONOMY. WHY YOUR GREAT SOVIET UNION COLAPSED. IT WAS NOTHING BUT A PAPER TIGER. NOW YOUR MOTHER LAND CHINA IS ONE OF THE LARGEST CAPITALIST NATIONS IN THE WORLD. THEY EVEN REMOVED MAO'S PIC FROM THEIR NEW CURRENCY. IN RUSSIA THEY REMOVED LENNI'S AND STALIN'S STATE RENAMED STALINGRAD AND LENNINGRAD. WHICH COUNTRIES ENJOY HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING? GO FLY A KITE. YOU ARE ONE HECK OF IGNORANT MAN.
RE:no to deal
by sunilkumar on Jul 09, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
correct anup nair, add to that " even this 10 % eectricity is not free and also this 10% electricity will be available 15 yrs from now" then one can see the magnitude of the absurdity of the beficial N-deal.
RE:no to deal
by vivek iyer on Jul 09, 2008 06:20 PM Permalink
nairrrrrrrrrrrrrr....kaun sa jooota pehnoooon?...dont worry ,,,just checking to see if you're the anup nair i know!
Debo, have you seen the behaviour of the UK in all these years vis-a-vis the US? Even the France and Germany have toned down their voices. Do you see the condition of Pakistan & Afghanistan? Have you ever seen Philippines, Saudi or Australia, speaking out against any single policy of the US? You may remember during Iraq war of Sr. Bush, the lady solders of the US were seen moving around in bikinis in the Saudi, when that was NATO's Central command. And after long persuasion, US did heed to restrict these beauties to within their Camps. You must be well aware about this. I have seen those clippings on BBC. Can you imagine an Indian girl doing so there? She would be lynched to death in no time, along with all her relatives there.
No, None of the countries that allied with the US had gained. And none will be.
FOR ALL THOSE WHO THINK INDIA WILL BE SUPERPOWER ONCE IT GETS NUCLEAR POWER ARE LIVING IN CUCKOO LAND.
RE:Another bloggers comment
by Calspadeaspade on Jul 10, 2008 03:10 AM Permalink
You may have a point. Kissinger very arrogantly said America is more dangerous to its friends than enemies.
- coz, u congressmen r selling our nation to the west, in those secret pages.
- coz, u r giving away: 2,000,000,000,000.00 dollars (thats 2KB), from our nation's treasury to the west.
- coz, u r moving our once-proud-and-independent army, scientists and jawans, to become puppets in the hands of the west,
- coz, for the next 250 years, our children will be paying back this `loan-agreement` you are signing, on our behalf!
- coz, india will once again become a slave of the west, like it was for a thousand years b4 '47.
- coz, IAEA's spies (read inspectors) from porkistan, usa, uk, europe, saudi arabia, bangladesh, basically even from the worst banana republic country on earth,
- they can legally enter our innermost-secret-defense-wartime-armed-forces-areas, LEGALLY THEY CAN (AND NO INDIAN CAN STOP `EM),
- and they can LEGALLY check up on ANY PAPER, AND DOCUMENT, AND EQUIPMENT, ANY OFFICER, ANY JAWAN, ANY COMPUTER, ANY ANYTHING!
- coz, our home will become a wasteland, a home we have protected from the invaders from mid-east and the west, for the last millions of years...
RE:A random comment
by bhimsen on Jul 09, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
What you have written are just figment of your imagination. MMS is not Saudi sheikh to have sold the country for a few dollars. I don't think that the deal is so water tight that there is no exit for any of the party.
Go back and relax. If Pres. Kalam has said OK then it is good for India coz he is one person who is truly secular and a patriot.
RE:A random comment
by sunilkumar on Jul 09, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
bhimsen pls check ur facts. the deal is a se cret document no body can see and nobody including kalam has seen. and he has also not said the deal is ok.the final form of deal/negotiation is confidential. what kalam has said is india requires npower and he also said that we dont need to do n-test any more. he has not shown the final text of deal so he cannot commet authoritatively. even yday pranab has said the deal is confidential and left cannot be shown before it is signed. mulaayam and amr have also not seen it (whether they will understand it or not) they are supporting for money and withdrawl of umpteen number of Incometax, CBI, DRI cases hoited on them and not because of national interest.and so will all smaller parties support the UPA for only MONEY and some other benefit and not out of national interest. pls wake up
RE:A random comment
by bhimsen on Jul 09, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
Agreed nobody has seen the document, but it is absolutely absurd that MMS would cut a one sided deal with US. It will be a political harakiri, if it is such a deal. There will be coffins on the street for each congress leaders. And MMS is well aware of that.
RE:A random comment
by Amit Kakri on Jul 09, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Bhimsen that is the point. The deal IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD AND NON SENSICAL. In case MMS is pushing it, simply because he has no love for the country. In any event is a nominated and not an elected PM of India!! (PS: are you a congress party member?)
Let's just talk about merits and demerits of the deal and the strategic alliance. This deal comes with lot of baggage.
India has to change its foriegn policy stand even before the deal was signed: "Voting against Iran in nuclear security issue". US congressman and Senator openly warned India to vote againt Iran if we want the deal to complete. This is atrocious; these petty politicians threatening our great nation.
Also, India has no enmity against Iran. Actually, we have had very good relationship with them. Iran is the only country which kind of vetoed the resolution, moved by pakistan, condemning India in OIC [organuzation of Islamic countires conf] some 20 years ago. It even gave permission for India to use its airspace and land incase of war with Pakistan. why should we vote against a friend?
This is just the beginning and we will lose much more than what we gain from this alliance.
Agreed, nuclear energy is important but we have other options and US is not only way to go.
RE:Another blogger's brilliant comment
by ccphus on Jul 09, 2008 05:38 PM Permalink
Only if the deal was with China.. Arun, my friend go home and relax, or should I say go to China, enjoy the Olympics, try to cut a deal so that we can get some medals..
Face up to the fact that communism is probably the second only to Nazism in the eveil sacle.
Face up to the fact that this ideolgy is dead an good riddance
Discussions on a US-China nuclear deal began in 1981. An 'Agreement Between the United States and the People's Republic of China Concerning Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy' was signed on July 13, 1985. However, it was approved by the US Congress only on March 18, 1998, after almost 13 years of excruciating reviews and presidential waivers. In 2007, China placed its first orders for nuclear reactors consequent to its civil nuclear cooperation agreement.
So how does India dare to negotiate a even better deal with the US and that too in a shorter time period ? That is why China is very suspicious of US and Indian intentions. And the Left parties are not acting in our national interests...If their beloved China can sign a N-deal with the US, why not India? And why pull down a Govt. over that?
In US you get everything passed thru lobbyists. Even NGOs here pay millinos of dollars to the Lobbyists to get their provisions passed by the congress. Once you get into any kind of pact by the US, our lawmakers will be running around these Lobbysis spending million of Indian money to get our provisions protected or passed. US is a very dangerous country to deal with. They are not human beings when it comes to money...
6. Further, in case of disruption despite these measures, the US will assist India to obtain nuclear fuel from friendly countries (Article 5.6 b). Apparently India insisted on this provision because of its bad experience with the disruption of supplies for the Tarapore reactor when the US imposed sanctions on India in accordance with its domestic laws after India conducted its nuclear tests at Pokhran in May 1998. This concession goes well beyond the Hyde Act that had stipulated that the supply of fuel should be consistent with the requirement.
7. Even on the issue of the right to terminate the agreement, the 123 accord with India stands out as an agreement between co-equals while the 123 with China smacks of US dominance. Though consultations are mentioned, in the case of China the agreement states that if either party violates its terms, the other party shall have the right to cease further cooperation (Article 7.1). Such termination could be immediate. In the case of the 123 with India, besides mandatory consultations about violations, termination requires one year's written notice and the reasons for seeking such termination are to be spelt out (Article 14.1). Also, either party will consider whether expedient factors, particularly national security concerns, led to violation of the terms of the agreement (Article 14.2).
Source: An article written by a Senion Fellow in Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), Delhi
Debo, have you seen the behaviour of the UK in all these years vis-a-vis the US? Even the France and Germany have toned down their voices. Do you see the condition of Pakistan & Afghanistan? Have you ever seen Philippines, Saudi or Australia, speaking out against any single policy of the US? You may remember during Iraq war of Sr. Bush, the lady solders of the US were seen moving around in bikinis in the Saudi, when that was NATO's Central command. And after long persuasion, US did heed to restrict these beauties to within their Camps. You must be well aware about this. I have seen those clippings on BBC. Can you imagine an Indian girl doing so there? She would be lynched to death in no time, along with all her relatives there.
No, None of the countries that allied with the US had gained. And none will be.
FOR ALL THOSE WHO THINK INDIA WILL BE SUPERPOWER ONCE IT GETS NUCLEAR POWER ARE LIVING IN CUCKOO LAND.
4. As regards the right to reprocess spent fuel, India's standpoint has been accepted and incorporated into the 123 agreement, with the proviso that India will establish a separate re-processing facility and that re-processing will be carried out under IAEA safeguards. However, a similar concession for China is tied up in so much red tape that it is unlikely to ever work out. The US has only "agreed to consider favorably" a Chinese request to be allowed to reprocess spent fuel. The agreement clearly states that the US retains the right to approve or disapprove such a request. Given the cumbersome procedures in the Department of State and the Department of Energy, the consideration of a Chinese request could take several years and the final decision may still not be favorable.
5. On fuel supply assurances as well there are glaring disparities between what has been agreed upon by the US with China and with India. In the case of China, the US has agreed to supply only as much fuel as is necessary "for the efficient and continuous operation of the reactors" (Article 4.3). In India's case, the US has gone far beyond such an arrangement and agreed to help India build a strategic fuel reserve to tide over the disruption, if any, of fuel supplies over the life cycle of the reactors (Article 2.2 e).
