In the coming 'trust' vote, both Akali and Sena will abstain. BJP will either boycott the vote or vote tongue-in-cheek in the negative, knowing full well that either way, Cong wins - to the eventual benefit to the country. BJP, with all their public bellowing and grand-standing, wouldn't want to see their own pet project go down the tubes nor be blamed for derailing it - they just don't want to appear to their party faithfuls as openly supporting Cong. Talk of walking a tightrope.
in fact the congress should kick out all other allies from upa and adjust with bjp. no this is not a joke. both of them have burnt their hands in manging coalition. both of them have good experience of ruling the country. both of them are tired of tolerating NAKHARAAS of supporting small parties. both of them have some deficiencies and some proficiencies. if they adjust with each other and try to make India a super power nothing under the sun can stop them. but unfortunately none of them will initiate. being alone they have to make so many compromises, their egos get hurt everyday. but if they join hands and rule India with gigantic majority we the people of India will be so happy. that we will be ignoring their corruptions and other malice.
RE:The options before the UPA
by ramesh kumar on Jul 15, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
WELL SAID! KUDOS I FEEL THIS IS IN THE BEST INTERSET OF NATION. LET ALL THE OTHER PARTIES JOIN SECOND FRONT AND PROVE THEMSELVES THAT THEY ARE FOR NATION BUILDING.
elected PM would not have accepted the Indo-US nuclear deal as Manmohan Singh has, argues N.V.Subramanian.
5 July 2008: After Manmohan Singh, most intellectually honest people would say no to a technocratic prime minister. Is the fall back to an elected PM not only inescapable but desirable? Very probably yes.
If you were to take a secret poll of the Congress leadership, Manmohan Singh and the Indo-US nuclear deal would lose hands down. The deal won’t win the Congress party the next general election, even if it beats the tight US congressional calendar. It is not even about winning polls. The deal sells out India’s military nuclear programme by prohibiting testing. Without explosive testing, weapons, especially thermo-nuclear weapons, but most of all, warheads on medium- and long-range missiles, cannot be perfected. The Samajwadi Party has trudged up the former President, Abdul Kalam, to certify the worthiness of the deal. With due respect to Kalam, he is a technologist, not a scientist, far less an atomic scientist, and not at all the cream of that company, a weapon’s designer. And what should and does frighten the Indian military is that the lone thermonuclear weapon in the May 1998 test did not produce the intended bang.
The point is, most Indian strategic writers know this and more. Anyone with any legal comprehension who has read the entire (available) documentation on the deal also knows that an explosive test will kill the unique exemption for
RE:The sell-out
by birju on Jul 09, 2008 09:52 PM Permalink
for India provided by the Henry Hyde Act. Whether or not it is feasible to evacuate all or a majority of the reactors facilitated by the deal in the event India tests, the fuel cut off that is bound to follow (like the Tarapur crisis) will paralyze all the connected commerce and industry. That unstated but ever-present risk to growth will baulk India from ever testing, and an untested, obsolescing deterrent is worse in some ways than no deterrence. The pro-dealers say that that risk is always there. True. But that produces a self-imposed moratorium, as now. The deal binds India, hands and feet, to never testing. The deal only assures fuel for normal reactor operation, no reserve. The IAEA won’t go beyond this, nor will the NSG. Indeed, the NSG sanction for nuclear commerce with India has to mirror the US deal.
The fuel will be low enriched uranium for the common commercial light water reactors that will be imported under the deal, thirty-some reactors costing about $1000 billion. By the DEA’s own estimate, uranium reserves worldwide won’t last sixty years. That estimate was made some years ago before China became hungry for nuclear power. A US study lasted the reserves longer, but only if the reactor numbers did not dramatically increase. With conditions for peak oil rapidly approaching, environmental concerns growing, and commodities inflation taking firm roots, the shift to nuclear power is being strenuously campaigned for by the US. Already commanding a high price bec
RE:RE:The sell-out
by birju on Jul 09, 2008 09:53 PM Permalink
because of Chinese hoarding, uranium is going to get more expensive to import (making uranium power uneconomic), and the five NPT-recognized nuclear powers and industrial giants like Japan will stake – and get – the first claim on dwindling uranium reserves. Even without explosive testing, our enormous investments in LWRs would have been criminally liquidated.
That is not all. Russia, the US, Japan and certain European countries have recognized the benefits of the plutonium economy. The US certainly is headed to produce reactors that deplete plutonium to produce power. India has made tremendous advances in breeding plutonium to make energy and to fire the thorium economy. The investments in LWRs mandated by the deal, because it assists the non-proliferation regime, will not only turn to dud, but will kill India’s pioneering efforts in plutonium and thorium economies brilliantly envisioned by Homi Bhabha. And when India is down on this, the US and Western advances in them will force a second cycle of dependence.
That Manmohan Singh is a slave of the West is no secret. Not only leaders in the BJP and CPI-M, but many in the Congress party say so. The PM’s own utterances betray him. He does not believe India has the inherent capability to become a great power. An elected prime minister in Manmohan Singh’s place would never have been so pusillanimous. Mrs Indira Gandhi faced a revolt in the party, a sinking economy and a hostile United States when she determined to partiti
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by birju on Jul 09, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
to partition Pakistan. It is no surprise that she was the first PM to conduct the nuclear test, and A.B.Vajpayee, a supremely brave man, and another elected prime minister, who authorized the second test. On the other hand, Manmohan Singh choked India’s military and civilian nuclear programmes as finance minister, and opposed the May 1998 nuclear test.
Is it any surprise that he has brought the Congress party to such straits that it could well loss the general elections just so to get the US deal?
RE:The sell-out
by galilio on Jul 16, 2008 01:56 PM Permalink
before making publicity for nuclear power, congress upa govt must find out the truth of following to give information to public- a) total uranium ores reserve worldwide b) how much uranium ore is consumed to produce enriched uranium U 235 of one pound. c) what is the consumption of uranium U235 to produce one megawatt electic city. d) present capacity of indian nuclear stations and its current production against capacity. e) how many power stations established world wide in different countries in the past five years ? this will give the trend as west and USA knows the trend of future. f) what is the cost of one pound of U235 and total cost of electic city out of uranium enriched - comparative chart against the production and cost of coal,water,wind,gas with its total reserves worldwide.
understand general electric which produce huge nuclear plant machineries due to lack of orders from many countries for nuclear plants, want to get at any cost some orders from india which has good potential to pay money for buying plants and machineries supplied for nuclear installaion so big money for congress,sonia and may be for bush.amar singh will get good share in this. for man mohan singh,he would be awared by american govt as best friend of america and U S permanent citizenships for 100 people of his relatives as special benefit to sardarji as man mohan singh is not for money but for friendship, small favours of
RE:The sell-out
by NandaKishore on Jul 11, 2008 12:11 AM Permalink
Birju, may i ask why it should be a sell out. The Military NPlants will not be affected. Already we have enough nuke weapons, so why the fear? What will we do for the future power needs of country.. Also note that the commies who were against the deal openly supported the Chinese during the 1962 war.. Now they are opposing it. If we are getting a better N-deal similar to china, what`s the harm in accepting it? I believe when the commies say its bad, then definitely its good for the country.
Without solutions for power for the growing economy, everything is just empty rumbling. Definitely the country cant go dark ages. The alternative solutions of Dams, solar power, wind power are just not feasible. Otherwise most countries would have done it.
RE:The sell-out
by ravi prakash on Jul 10, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
Sir, You have rightly highlighted the concerns of thoughtful Indians. History bears testimony to the fact that whenever the Superpowers where involved, it has only brought ruination of the land. The worst culprit is the US. The 20th century provides a damning indictment of the direct intervention of the US. In country after country it has only heralded ruination and unprecendented damage. The present day casualties being Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan is well on its way to become one more addition. It is not surprising that India with its impoverished millions chose to stay away from the great power blocs. It is difficult to understand why our leaders choose to ignore this dismal record and to barter our national pride and self interest in this manner.
RE:The sell-out
by galilio on Jul 12, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
enriched uranium cost usd 89 per pound as to produce 1 mt uranium, it needs more than 300 mts of ore and to make enriched uranium, it is more expensive. UPA wants to give contract to GENERAL ELECTIC for RS 6000 crores and to make quick money for RS 1000 crores for congress to buy votes in next election. ram sethu project is boon to DMK, import of medicines is boon to PMK, import of wheat is boon to SARATH PAWAR, sharing of booty out of nucelar contract is boon to AMAR SINGH,land grabing is boon to MARXISTS, everyone in upa has a slice of bread with jam and enjoy eating public money.
In all this song and dance sequence of Left withdrawing its support for UPA, what the media and the pundits are ignoring are the terms and conditions of the Indo-US nuclear agreement fathered by ManMohan.
If this is something that great :
1.Why is it not in the public domain? 2.Why was it not discusses in the Lok Sabha? 3.Why was it not tabled in the Rajysabha? 4.Why does not India's defense minister, AK Antony and foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee speak and elaborate on the benefits of the agreement? Do they know anything?
Congress as usual is treating India as Gandhi & Company,Pvt Ltd.
Its a shame that we have politicians like Mulayam who will even compromise India's sovereignity for two cabinet positions and 4 ministers of state.
Its high time they made a copy of this agreement public.If its good the people of India will accept it.Why should Manmohan and Sonia fear?
RE:Why is ManMohan so secretive?
by NandaKishore on Jul 11, 2008 12:12 AM Permalink
Birju, may i ask why it should be a sell out. The Military NPlants will not be affected. Already we have enough nuke weapons, so why the fear? What will we do for the future power needs of country.. Also note that the commies who were against the deal openly supported the Chinese during the 1962 war.. Now they are opposing it. If we are getting a better N-deal similar to china, what`s the harm in accepting it? I believe when the commies say its bad, then definitely its good for the country.
Without solutions for power for the growing economy, everything is just empty rumbling. Definitely the country cant go dark ages. The alternative solutions of Dams, solar power, wind power are just not feasible. Otherwise most countries would have done it.
RE:Why is ManMohan so secretive?
by Nandakumar Chandran on Jul 12, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
>already we have enough nukes
says who? afaik we do not have a credible thermo nuclear warhead - the last test at pokhran was inconclusive. that's the concern - that we might not be able to test further to optimize our weaponization program.
RE:Horsetrading
by NandaKishore on Jul 11, 2008 12:14 AM Permalink
Because the deal must survive for the benefit of the nation.
The Nation believes in MMS, AK Anthony & Kalam, and not the Commies who openly supported the Chinese during the 1962 war. Dont trust me, Google search urself to know the truth.
RE:Horsetrading
by galilio on Jul 12, 2008 01:18 PM Permalink
DR.abdul kalam is also giving political colour to this project. he never opposed ram sethu project on its economical unviablity.he is native of rameswaram where ram sethu bridge originate. does he not know about its religious value of hindus or its economical unviability? where was he ? he was mum to please karunanidhi and now he opens his mouth supporting nuclear deal to help SP amar singh group retains their muslims vote bank as muslims are against this nuclear deal. kalam has become a politician now
Akali Dal is the biggest enemy of Congress in Punjab, and oldest ally of BJP. Shiv Sena is the biggest enemy of Congress in Maharashtra, and oldest ally of BJP.
RE:Akali Dal & Shiv Sena
by All Right on Jul 11, 2008 07:16 AM Permalink
:-)
In your parlance everything is "Black and White" ain't it?.. :-)
So do you think Congress is selling out to USA?... :-) Coz there ain't any other definition in your text books... no middle grounds... If BJP opposes Congress's bad moves, then OBVIOUSLY they are supporting Commies.. Great logic... .keep the entertainment coming..
