This whole thing is a SHAM ... here is my prediction:
1. The Communists will withdraw but "support from outside" to "prevent communal parties" from assuming power.
2. The Center will make the right noises and take the process forward.
3. With elections coming up in the US and the pace of securing agreements in the world stage this agreement WILL STALL.
4. The new US Govt and India will discuss "renewing and strengthening" relationships and conveniently take this back many steps.
5. Communists will hail this "achievment" and come back on board
WHO WINS? 1. Congress - for appearing like they wanted the deal. 2. Communists - for being "bold" (read the sarcasm!) 3. US - gives time for a new administration to assess the deal with fresh eyes
Net effect - this move by Communists is nothing but bluster and a sham. Time we VOTED out the communists. there is nothing positive about them - nada.
RE:SHAM!
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 02:27 AM Permalink
Get the facts right.. commies are supporting the govt from outside from the day one n if they withdraw support there's no outside the outside support. But the commies should be voted out tht's a good call.
Finally, the UPA is showing some backbone. There is only so much bullshit you can put up with. The left has been treating UPA like a scumbag. If there was a dark period in the history of Indian democracy, it must be the last 4 years.
RE:Good beginning.
by Rakesh Mahto on Jul 08, 2008 04:30 AM Permalink
What else we can do when polician are reserving everything for Backward and minority group.
Its sometimes funny how things get done in India.. It is only in India that an incompetent government gets a chance to get back to power on an issue which is ironically again harmful to the country...only in India.
Now let us asess the performance of the so called UPA. 1. Firstly the UPA came into power from the blessings of the aam aadmi (read lower middle class, lower class , BPL and farmers).what has the UPA done for these people? Ans: Reservations for the OBC in IIT, IIM, b. Rural employment scheme which gives 150$ billion dollar/ year...how much of that money reaches the poor?....1% hardly. c. Apart from these 2 the UPA has done absolutely nothing for these set of people.
2. Second the UPA has the support of the minorities - read Muslims. and what exactly has the UPA done for them?... Haj subsidies, Cancellation of POTA, Cancellation of Amarnath land, calling Ram a non - entity, destroying Ram sethu, stopping temple construction in ayodhya.
Can any muslim answer me how does all this benefit them?.
3. Foriegn policy - UPA HAS FAILED MISERABLY on this. A disintegrated neighbour (pakistan) is left to recover.
Sold our Foriegn independence and Foriegn policy to the U.S.A by signing the so called Nuclear deal which permanently binds the country by the Hyde act.
4. ECONOMY: Enjoyed the benefits of the reforms done by the NDA govt for 3 years. but initiated NO REFORMS over the past 4 years. No investment in Industry and agriculture.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
Apart from all that u've mentioned.. Right to Information Act Employment Guarantee Farm loan waiver Credit cards for farmers Low Interest Loans for farmers Farmer Insurance
BJP did nothing that would build the future of the country.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by Hate Who divides on Jul 08, 2008 01:50 AM Permalink
Employment guarantee -------where is the guarantee??? Farm Loan waiver cheap way of making money .... every body knows deserving poor family will not be benefited not even 10% Remaining all 4 ...... are known to educted farmers only ........ estimate is that more than 70 % farmers are following their ancestor way farming ...... result is poor output Instead this they should teach or educate farmers about climate change in 50 yrs and tell them the approppriate way of farming accoding to soil
RTI act is good step .............but govt itself making it failure ............when UP assembly denied to give details claimed by Journalist ........... favouring Mukesh Ambani regarding display Income Tax returns ....which willcheck flow of money from his pocket
RE:RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 02:07 AM Permalink
It's for the people to go against corruption, govt. has given people teeth with all these acts. BJP has not done that but opposed all these measures. And Mukesh Ambani's tax returns is not a public property that RTI can show to media for them to make sum good bucks.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by Rakesh Mahto on Jul 08, 2008 04:43 AM Permalink
Right of Information Act was already passed during NDA rule. In Employment Garatee scheme hardly able to reach to the people who needed it most. Farm Loan waiver in the end it future generation have to pay as it gonna create a big deficit on our economy. And we gonna make our farmer careless on getting loan in future. Farmer's insurance was also there during NDA rule. What are the things which are not there during NDA rule. 1.) Reservation for Student in premier intitute like IIM and IIT 2) Reservation for OBC 3)Lot of terrorist attack in Hyderbad, UP and Jaipur.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by indianpatriot on Jul 08, 2008 01:36 AM Permalink
5. INFRASTRUCTURE: FAILED miserably in Infrastructure development. The quality of roads, ports and Cities has disintegrated over the past 4 years.
Stopped contruction of Golden quadrilateral due to political reasons.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 01:43 AM Permalink
If BJP didn't exist, terrorists would not have targeted India at the first place. The terrorists found their equals in BJP.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by Lalit Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 02:23 AM Permalink
you are vinay babu, now go get you biscuit from madam italiana.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
What BJP did in the name of reforms is to sell off the public sector for peanuts. Did some good scandals for the media to enjoy
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by Dr. Obaid on Jul 08, 2008 01:58 AM Permalink
I am thankful to you that nminorities are just remembered by you guys like this. They dont have thier voice and you peaople make public opinion about us. If you cannot dispense justice, we will surely do it in less than fifty years from now.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by Lalit Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 02:29 AM Permalink
You should also thank to all the islamic jihadi's who are doing their best to make public opinion about MINORITIES.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by arun mehta on Jul 08, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
ur facts are completely botched up......get them right..........except the reservations bit, i feel this govt.is best to lead the country just that these opportunists left's wont let the govt. work for development of the nation
RE:RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by Lalit Sharma on Jul 08, 2008 02:31 AM Permalink
check how we nabbed quottrochi and he is in Indian Jails and all the Bofors money has been recoverd from Swiss Accounts as well as from Britain ? In your dreams, they are looting the country and you are happy that your mother nation is being raped.
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:39 AM Permalink
Main achievement of the UPA as highlighted by Business Standard:
"Start with the performance of the economy. Its growth rate last year has been upped from 8.7 per cent to 9 per cent, taking the average rate of growth in the four years of the Manmohan Singh government to 8.9 per cent. I cannot think of any other government that would not make a bit of a noise about such stellar success, and draw comparisons with the record of its predecessor (5.9 per cent over six years) — showing a jump of 50 per cent. Or take agriculture, whose annual growth during the UPA term has been 3.6 per cent — again a jump of nearly 50 per cent, and the best record since the 1980s."
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by Hate Who divides on Jul 08, 2008 01:54 AM Permalink
well you talk about 8.9% of growth .........can you tell me what govt has done for this??? Its Indian Economy ability to grow .......there was news (heard not sure) that RBI itself depreciated rupee value just to smooth export or impress indian buisness man was step by govt to improve govt
RE:RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 03:50 AM Permalink
Hay My Clone:
Next when you are hungry or when you get kicked out of your job, keep that copy of Business Standard with you.... :-)
It will certainly help alleviate depression. Just one question though -- how will an illiterate person know about Government's achievements? He can't read Business Standard, can he?.. :-)
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by indianpatriot on Jul 08, 2008 01:50 AM Permalink
All Right the 3 straight years of growth was due to the BJP initiaive to Reform, Disinvest public sector sick companies, Improve ingrastructure, roads and ports.
RE:RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by k kumar on Jul 08, 2008 01:48 AM Permalink
Buddy, Inflation is more than 12%, if you take the effect and rationalise "GDP " numbers, you will find that economy is in stall for past 18 months.. You (and every individual) is loosing money at 3-5% per annum (Real inflation rate-interest rate); that includes your retirement saving. Macro front is a disaster; if the oil price continues march up, we will soon the bankrupt govt. Add to the misery, th e"circus" unleashed in the form of "loan waiver", etc that is repeat of 1970's "circus" by congress.. Tell us which of the policies/initiatives are good in long run; keeping in view of the fact that money does not come from thin air; everything comes from taxpayers pocket-including the various form of "circus" unleashed on "taxpayers"
RE:What has the UPA done for 4 years
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 01:58 AM Permalink
Inflation is rising globally not just in India and we are projecting a GDP growth of 8.7% for 2009 and u call it bankruptcy. Rationalising GDP, restricting social welfare, raising taxes are the characteristics of bankruptcy. And the taxes are reduced by this govt. if it would have been BJP we might have been paying almost half of our salaries in the present global scenario.
LOve our beloved contry. We fall behind the world for past 1000 years by trumpetting our own culture. Other civilizations far exceeded us and that's why they ruled us for 1000 years. Read history, Roman, Greek, Chinease far superior to us. We no match for them. Now we are educated and make wise decisions. Support the nuclear deal and help the enviornment. Save our Planet.
RE:please brothers and sisters
by shailesh iyer on Jul 08, 2008 02:07 AM Permalink
dude, rome history is all about rampant sex and murder...read their scripts .. some of them put porn to shame. watch that hbo rome series or better yet go their and ask about their "culture".
our culture is good and we should preserve what ever is left at all cost. that does not mean we be snooty and not accomodate other nationals into our fold nor have a hangover or cultural arrogance or complacency. and no point in trumpeting it either. just uplift our country into one of the top. agreed this deal is not the best deal - but there is no better deal for us at the moment - this is what it looks like. best decisions left to a comittee with knowledgable patriots in it who can make decisions with 30 to 50 yr time frame and not just the next election.
RE:RE:please brothers and sisters
by nysharma on Jul 08, 2008 02:28 AM Permalink
John - Yena da paythyam mari pesaray.
You dont even know what the root Indian culture is - perhaps cos you were not allowed to learn or be exposed to it.
and what do you know about the other civilizations you speak so highly about?
this should NOT be an us vs. them comparison - but rather a BOLD ACKNOWLEDGEMENT and PRIDE in our heritage - dont care if you are Hindu, Muslim or Christian. ALL OUR ANCESTORS were ONE and then some changed due to force or fervor.
PS: Here is a hint - Goa inquisition, Moghul assaults etc ... ask your grandparents what their grandparents and their grandparents were?
RE:please brothers and sisters
by Hate Who divides on Jul 08, 2008 02:14 AM Permalink
Wrong ...... we were superior and we are ............ we never invaded any country .............. we were/are peaceful country ... Do you know why NSG formed ,IAEa formed ........... just to curb our nuclear programme ......... all knows that within 60 yrs of time we re-established us again as 4 largest economy that not even russia is above us
RE:please brothers and sisters
by blue wrox on Jul 08, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
, Roman, Greek, Chinease far superior to us?? hOW???
chinese history is a joke.Greek and roman lasted half our history.Its just that you are taught that they are superior.No way they are,infact capital of greece was far far lesser than ashoka's capital in size.So stop believing the nonsense you see in discovery
The commies will oppose this deal tooth and nail because it will put india on par with china,which they simply cannot digest.Do commies have a history of betrayal of the nation or is everyone maligning them? lets see... a) 1942 they supported britain when we were fighting our last battle with the british in quit india movement. b)when we founded and joined NAM they shouted from the rooftop for reasons only they understood. c)when chian invaded us,the reaction of commies was muted. d)when we conducted pokhran-1 the nation was celebrating but they condemned it. e)when chinese ambassador makes irresponsible statements commies keep quiet. f)china violated agreements and entered sikkim..reaction:mute. Above all we are makin a deal with USA,a Nation that kicked on their butts and sent them packing in 1989 from their headquarters. can we expect sense from them?
RE:Atlast..
by Spiderman on Jul 08, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
It will take another 100 years for India to be par with China. Come out of dreamland and see the realities.......Even the whole western world is dependent on China in everything which china is producing at 60 times less cost.....
RE:RE:Atlast..
by sundar keyan on Jul 08, 2008 01:39 AM Permalink
we are far behind china.and china is a capitalist regime but not democratic..it has imperial ambitions too..check the naval bases around the indian ocean. there is nothin wrong with chinas policy..its in their interest.If the left embraces chinese market policies and social commitments,i am ready to support them.but they will not.because they are livin in an ideological shithole
RE:Atlast..
by shailesh iyer on Jul 08, 2008 02:10 AM Permalink
dont write nonsense. dont make even more stupid statements like it will take `100 yrs etc. and if so, then go immigrate to that damn place. and i am west and none is dependent on china.
RE:Atlast..
by blue wrox on Jul 08, 2008 01:39 AM Permalink
Dont exagerate. India and china is almost on same level field with chinese havingb a little edge in manufacturing and india in services.There is nothing like it will take 100 years
RE:RE:Atlast..
by shailesh iyer on Jul 08, 2008 02:12 AM Permalink
well atleast in india peple roam freely, there is such a thing like left .. though it is neither left nor communist.
can one imagine such an entity in china? all ppl know about china - only china says what they want others to know. go there and reality is different.
RE:Khudi ko ker Itna Buland key Khuda Bandey sey khud Poochey Bata Teri raza kya hai
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:27 AM Permalink
Oh really. We live in a world where the key to success is inter-dependence and inter-cooperation.
RE:Khudi ko ker Itna Buland key Khuda Bandey sey khud Poochey Bata Teri raza kya hai
by Spiderman on Jul 08, 2008 01:29 AM Permalink
but too much dependence can always make you weak and lazy and you will then depend on others forever and do nothing yourself.
RE:Khudi ko ker Itna Buland key Khuda Bandey sey khud Poochey Bata Teri raza kya hai
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
So how does the deal make India too dependent by the deal?
Media and the pro-US forces who support this deal easily forgot that there are still many unkown facts abt this deal...
It places India at a disadvantage and will make India a strategic partner of US,dilution of india's foriegn policy and traditional friendship with Russia and developing countries.
It gives US power to cancel this deal at any moment and at that point india will suffer a lot..India's nuclear progreamme will become susceptible to US pressure..
India has enough thorium reserves and nuclear energy is just 8 % of total power.
RE:Congress should not be allowed to return to power bcoz of this deal..there are may unknown facts about this deal and is anti-national..
by neil alvares on Jul 08, 2008 01:27 AM Permalink
madam veera it looks like you out qualify apj abdul kalam and all other people from the nuclear industry who want this deal done for the betterment of the power problem etc in india.get a life and stick to your pots and pans.
RE:Congress should not be allowed to return to power bcoz of this deal..there are may unknown facts about this deal and is anti-national..
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:36 AM Permalink
Veera. She just makes some statements. Has not read the 123 agreement. Probably do not know what NSG is and what half life means.
Her facts are guess work. She says the share of nuclear power is 8% of total power generation when it is hardly 3%
RE:Congress should not be allowed to return to power bcoz of this deal..there are may unknown facts about this deal and is anti-national..
by Spiderman on Jul 08, 2008 01:27 AM Permalink
Those who have no knowledge about this secrect, suspicious deal will not believe you but I agree with you for your great judgement and complete knowledge
RE:Congress should not be allowed to return to power bcoz of this deal..there are may unknown facts about this deal and is anti-national..
by Mubeen on Jul 08, 2008 01:27 AM Permalink
India needs 20 years to develop & use thorium reserves !
RE:Congress should not be allowed to return to power bcoz of this deal..there are may unknown facts about this deal and is anti-national..
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 01:31 AM Permalink
India has thorium but the technology to create power out of it is not there. They r just doing research. And not signing the deal thinking that US may cancel the deal for no obvious reasons is stupidity. In that case even India can cancel the deal if the thorium research is done.
GOOD RIDDANCE OF A BAD BARGAIN. I submit my prayer to all my countrymen to forgive me for my above frustrated expression which I couldn't control. I am certainly not speaking either for the Congress or for the nuclear treaty (that is another story. Very much against the implicit request of Einstein, the original expounder of E= mc2, The US dropped the first two bombs and totally destroyed two Japanese towns, killing and causing unspeakable "rado-acive" harm to innocent people in milions. I wish to know what right they have to talk about nuclear disarmament? But in this 'dog eat dog' world we have to tow the line for the sake of 'diplomacy' go ahead with the agreement with enough saving clauses) Now talking about the Left parties. These or the only groups that are left in thi world. Marxism, Leninism and Trotskyism have become a historical past in the whole world except in our unfortunate country.
