We could say the same thing George Bush is better than congress communist goon rule. British rule would have been far better than this frauds like Amar singh sonya and MMS.
RE:What an ass Amar sing his
by All Right on Jul 05, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
Manmohan Singh when he went on taking hard steps while liberalizing the economy attracted similar criticisms like being a US stooge. History records that he catapulted India an economic power.
Not like Yashwant Sinha - rolling back policy initiatives. The man who pldged India's gold reserves.
Not like Advani who was made to strip of his presidentship of the BJP. Advani then had to put on his khaki knickers and prostrate himself to his RSS masters. Once he did that, the RSS permitted him as a PM candidate
RE:Testing is Required
by All Right on Jul 05, 2008 11:44 PM Permalink
What so legitimate about BJP's demand. They object to the deal on the specious argument that it does not permit us to test our nuclear weapons.
The operating word is in the event of nuclear testing. Even here the agreement provides an exception - the right to test if China or Pakistan tests.
No one in the nuclear community believes any more for the need to physically test. They now test through computer simulation using past test data.
This is the reason why Vajpayee government shrewdly went for a series of explosions (5 to be precise) - to generate such a data base.
Having done that Vajpayee gave an assurance to the world through his address to the General Assembly of the UN that India no longer needs to explode any nuclear devise.
So if we are take BJP's present position seriousily, was Vajpayee and BJP in 2000 lying to the world community? Put the other way, has the BJP and Advani changed their tune, just to seek votes
RE:RE:Testing is Required
by All Right on Jul 06, 2008 12:02 AM Permalink
Prabhat. You should know knickerwallahs well enough by now. Only when they run out of logical arguments (which is most of the time), they stoop to abuses. Mostly they are incapable of civilized debate. That's why Modi converted Gujarat into a Police state!
RE:Testing is Required
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 06, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
- Did any of us question what went in the background of the failed summit at Agra between Bajpayee and Mussaraf during NDA's time?
NDA said the "no agreement". We said ok.
Because the PM and Govt. of the day saying.
No questions were asked.
Similarly, inspite of negative sentiment, nobody questioned Bajpayee's Lahore Bus Adventure even inspite of Kargil. Because it was between two Nations.
Congress and UPA could have demonstrated, thrown stones at the Lahore Bus and embarass the Govt.
But they did not. They went by the judgement of the Govt.
The nation always trusted its Prime Minister.
BJP has set a new precedence.
Now onwards, opposition will always try to embarass the Govt. of the day.
RE:Testing is Required
by PKN on Jul 06, 2008 01:08 AM Permalink
Choose you stand and your point! Are you concerned with the nuclear deal or you obsessed with the BJP.
The BJP is an isolated opposition party. It can make noise but cannot either make or mar the deal.
Six months back the Congress could have signed the deal - the deal does not need the approval of the Parliament. So why did they not do it. Are you suggesting that was because of the fact that the Congress party was waiting for the BJP to support.
Or are you suggesting that BJP could have supported the deal and that then the Congress would have gone ahead with it even if the Left walked out?
Would then a prabhat mohanty suggest that the BJP give outside support to the UPA so that it can survive .
I am not aware of any silence on the part of the Congress ( there was no UPA during the Agra Summit or the Lahore Bus ride of Vajpayee ) I remember that Kapil Sibyl blamed the whole failure on the NDA government " incompetence and bad planning " The Congress went on to say that President Musharaf was not to be blamed .
Check up archives on the net before making such statements.
But I would not blame the Congress party for that. As the principal opposition party that was their constitutional responsibility.
The N-deal is the Congress’s problem. It doesn’t need BJP’s support to go ahead with the deal. If the deal is having a problem it is because the UPA government was up to now worried about saving their government.
RE:RE:RE:Testing is Required
by PKN on Jul 06, 2008 01:20 AM Permalink
This was the brave question you asked "Did any of us question what went in the background of the failed summit at Agra between Bajpayee and Mussaraf during NDA's time?"
Here is my answer :
Scindia wondered whether 'there was pressure from other quarters, or was it (the talks) a ploy to distract attention from the results of the assembly polls."
"Sound diplomacy must be accompanied by sound media communication," Scindia asserted, referring to Pakistan's superior media-management in Agra.
Scindia blamed the heightened violence in J&K on the 'failure' in Agra and warned the prime minister 'not go to Pakistan without a structured agenda'.
"The Agra summit has pushed us back and not forward. The Kashmir killings are a direct result of the government's mishandling of the summit," he said referring to the killing of over 40 people in the week since the summit ended.
"The desire for dialogue with Pakistan must be pursued but your implementation was amateurish. No careful assessment was made of Pakistan's strategy," Scindia pointed out.
He also ridiculed the government's statement that no agenda was fixed for the summit because Pakistan preferred it to be kept open"
I dont think you claim that "They went by the judgement of the Govt" has any evidence to back that .
RE:The ultimate Solution:
by gaurang patel on Jul 05, 2008 11:38 PM Permalink
This time chose from any of this parties & give clear verdict so this two parties even though not 100% perfect can
rule with confidence & without the fear of blackmailing like "Left" is doing with UPA or "Jaylalita" was previously
RE:Indian Politics
by rakesh on Jul 06, 2008 01:09 AM Permalink
oh bhaji apne naam to picho punjabi chak dio. punjabi ta bukhe marna pasand karnge bajaye kise di gulami karn de. pls punjabia nu badnam na karo :-(
RE:Congress interpretations of some of the similiar events is as follows
by gaurang patel on Jul 05, 2008 11:33 PM Permalink
Talking about Hindus and Hinduism appeasment = Communal. Talking about Muslims and Islam = Secular.
BJP freeing 3 terrorists to save 100 Indian hostages = Shameful Congress freeing 4 militants to save just a life of one daughter of its minister in Kashmir [Rubina Sayed] = Natural Political dilemma.
Attack on Parliament = BJP ineptitude. Not hanging Afzal Guru the mastermind despite Supreme Court orders = Humanity and Political dilemma.
BJP questioning Islam = Communal. Congress questioning Lord Rama existance = Clerical Error.
Now BJP winning Karnataka:
Due to SC votes being shuffled instead of their own political failures as interprited by congress...
Is there any end to Congress and it shameless supporters hypocrisy.
RE:Congress interpretations of some of the similiar events is as follows
by arun Panjabi on Jul 05, 2008 11:40 PM Permalink
Very well said Gaurang Patel.Totally agree with ur facts.
Mr. Amar Singh if you are so concerned about the muslims you ahould convert and call yourself Akbar Singh. But you only concerned about thier votes and for that you whip up their passion. No Idiot would buy your ploy that because Dr.Abdul Kalam siad so the Deal is not anti-muslim. If ur such a dumb as to not be able to figure out that what is good or bad for the country means good or bad for all its citizens. How could the deal have been good for the non-muslims and not for the muslims. I wouldn't expect you to answer that, I am not the dumb Ass you take us to be.
RE:Amar singh --------- Akbar Singh
by All Right on Jul 05, 2008 11:56 PM Permalink
There is clause in the 1-2-3 Agreement that obliges India to vote in international fora o contain Iran's military nuclear program.
This is pro-India since we cannot have another neighbor who is nuclear. Pakistan and China is bad enough. It is not such that Iran is hostile to us as a nuclear Iran will tempt Israel to strike their nuclear installations and the nuclear fallout reaches India's shores in a jiffy.
This clause is being exploited by the commies to give a communal twist.
The US-China Nuclear Agreement also contained certain clause sensitive to the Chinese. e.g. The President has to certify each year that China respects human rights in Tibet. The Chinese keep violating human rights, the US President keeping certifying.
Accordingly, such clauses are technicalities and do not comprise our independent foreign policy.
The BJP by opposing the deal is supporting the Left by default that is anti-Muslim
congress ko lo ek mutthi me aur kar do usko chutti..mulayam to dar gaya cos he knows ..BJP BSP are coming to power..and this is his only chance to have 59 MPS which he is incapable of ..he he..every patriotic INdian like me will be PRoud today that we will have our time finally..when we ca call a spade a spade.
Now as Mulayam gave support to congress following things are imminent:
i) Before few months when UP elections were there they were making charges against congress for tapping of their mobiles. Also at that time they opposed the nuclear deal. As they heavily lost the elections they were all free & finding oppurtunity to gain power in one way or th other. The left stand against the deal gave them this opportunity & they have so far taken it.
ii) The congress, Mulayam, Left claims that BJP is an communal party. They what about congress, Mulayam & Left. They all are appeasing to only Muslims & they are most concerned about them only for their votes. So how comes they become secular? These three are the biggest communal parties in India today. "Ulta chor kotval ko date".
iii) It seems that our newchannels are payed heavily by the congress for their loyal reporting. If Kashmiri Muslims gave bandh in Kashmir & if they destroy properties then also this channels report as if nothing had happened. But if communal BJP gives bandh then they report as if whole of India has been affected & people facing problems & BJP doing "Rajniti" & so & so. No newschannel has the guts to go out & ask Mufti & Kashmiri Muslims the following questions: i) The reason for opposing land given to Amarnath shrine. ii) Are they agents of Pakistan iii) Are they communal by their deeds.
RE:Horse trading begins now!!
by karthikeyan on Jul 06, 2008 09:01 AM Permalink
i totally agree with you patel. yes u r right.these news channels are very bad.once i supported them. but now i understood their policies. they only suport muslims. narendra modi is far more better politician than others.i support bjp
RE:Horse trading begins now!!
by gaurang patel on Jul 05, 2008 11:25 PM Permalink
4th fact: Left's stand still stand firm for opposing & Manmohan singh hasn't comeout in public & said about the hideous act framed in the Nuclear deal.Though left stand looks negative to all people they are atleast confirm in their stand. But our congress govt. is changing tactics day by day whether it was case of Nuclear deal or the issue of land given to Amarnath shrine & then taking back again...
Congress has lost people's faith & will go in the coming elections.
RE:RE:Horse trading begins now!!
by gaurang patel on Jul 05, 2008 11:27 PM Permalink
Even though congress receives support from Mulayam it stills will be short by 20 members for majority in parliament. So now horse trading would get started....more and more....
when Abdul Kalam want desparately second term of R.S office it was left parties who opposed openly. so kalam taking revenge by supporting N Deal and making ground for next president ship
i am sure what is there in such huge agreement even kalam or manmohan or left parties
some body wants to go for it and some body wants to oppose it . every thing based on vested interest
RE:KALAM TAKING REVENGE AGAINST LEFT PARTIES
by ramakanth k on Jul 06, 2008 09:15 AM Permalink
I KNOW HE IS A USELESS FELLOW LIKE U BECAUSE HE IS WASTING HIS TIME LIKE U. IF IS HE IS A TRUE SCIENTIST Y HE WANTS POLITICS AND PRESIDENT SHIP HE CAN DO SOME THING IN TECHNOLOGY.
RE:KALAM TAKING REVENGE AGAINST LEFT PARTIES
by fun guy on Jul 05, 2008 11:13 PM Permalink
well said you may be right. if my memory is right on 23rd rediff posted a article saying that majority of the scientist oposing the deal. but kalam is saying. it is needed. is kalam is the only scientist in india. I thing the whole indian scientific community lost their credibility and cheating the common man.
RE:KALAM TAKING REVENGE AGAINST LEFT PARTIES
by All Right on Jul 05, 2008 11:27 PM Permalink
Your memory is wrong. The rediff article covered a minority of scientists. India has thousands scientists. If 3-5 scientists have a different view it is is only expected in a democracy
RE:RE:KALAM TAKING REVENGE AGAINST LEFT PARTIES
by fun guy on Jul 05, 2008 11:19 PM Permalink
What was the reason for the friction between kalam and left
RE:KALAM TAKING REVENGE AGAINST LEFT PARTIES
by ramakanth k on Jul 05, 2008 11:20 PM Permalink
left paries opposed him for president ship for second term for simple reason nda selected him
To me Dr Abdul Kalam is the true son of Bharat Mata.Despite the Congress rebuking him for the Presidential Election also he stood his ground.He is not selfish like the politician fraternity.He could have taken the revenge on the Congress by aligning with BJP.The congress govt would have gone.He is the man who can be trusted to stand by the country,not these petty politicians. Shekhar
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Bhaumik on Jul 06, 2008 04:31 AM Permalink
Regarding Dr. Kalam, I am just asking for a clarification. Duringng his nomination to President-election, Indian express wrote an editorial calling on Dr. kalam to discourage people from using the prefix "Dr.", because, according IE, Kalam never had any Doctorate. He was a techocrat specialising in Ballistics, which included missile technology. Nor was he ever involved with nuclear research or the Pokhran (The scientist involved with Pokhran was Dr. R. Chidambaram).
If that is true why everyone continues to use the "Dr." prefix? Kalam too, has never opposed it. Why?
RE:Nuclear Deal
by fun guy on Jul 05, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
if my memory is right on 23rd rediff posted a article saying that majority of the scientist oposing the deal. but kalam is saying. it is needed. is kalam is the only scientist in india. I thing the whole indian scientific community lost their credibility and cheating the common man.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by All Right on Jul 05, 2008 11:29 PM Permalink
Your memory is wrong. The rediff article covered a minority of scientists. India has thousands scientists. If 3-5 scientists have a different view it is is only expected in a democracy
