this STUPID BOLOARD always yanks on rediff forums quoting some websites which proclaim that Islam is the mother of all sciences - he is pathetically laughable! his favorite ambassador for validating islamic contribution is i guess Jimmy Carter - the same guy whom the ayatollah had called Enemy of Islam - pity, he couldn't search for a better ambassador, huh!
Anyway, the whole world knows that the islamic invasion of mid-east was the death for culture, arts, science ! these invaders in india destroyed our great temples of somnath and varanasi, they ravaged taxila university - to call this tribal creed as fountainheads of science is nothing short of blasphemy ...
Lokk at the quran and you will find umpteen instances of non-scientific gibberish, u want me to give examples??
even look today across the universities of the world: indian/hindu students are making remarkable strides as research scholars, scientists, engineers - Look at places like Bell Labs, Microsoft, Apple, filled with indians who have an intellectual tradition and ethos, supported by our ancient holy textbooks which contain the foundation of modern astronomy, vedic maths, ayurveda, physics, molecular biology, and so on ... not an arabic creed whose prophet's actions can be considered despicably atrocious : to have a member of that community pointing out its scientific legacy to us is abominable to say the least !!
So Stupid Bolard - go and take these rants to some madrasah, not here !
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 06:55 PM Permalink
call this tribal creed as fountainheads of science is nothing short of blasphemy ...
what are you going to say about MIT univeristy,publishing a book authored by Columbia univeristy professor and endorsed by all leading science historians??
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by sunil shera on Jan 22, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
YOU ARE YUR OWN COMPETITOR IN STUPIDITY, AND YOU MANAGE TO SURPRISE ME YET AGAIN!! answer in context here - the question is regarding the scientific ethos of islam - ehich i contend is non-existent ! you point out a commentary book which cannot be considered SEMINAL, plus i see 2 people endorsing the book and you qualify it as "endorsed by all leading science historians"
stop this hyperbolic sel-congratulations and point out to me 3 seminal contributions of islam, dare?? btw, first check the meaning of seminal , you STUPID
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
Will you understand if I refer you to a lecture of Maurizio Iaccarino - The Secretary General of the UNESCO/ICSU World Conference on Science given on the western citadel Vatican on Pontifical Academy of Sciences - This lecture is also published by worlds premier science magazine Nature
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
Will you understand if I refer you to a lecture of Maurizio Iaccarino - The Secretary General of the UNESCO/ICSU World Conference on Science given on the western citadel Vatican on Pontifical Academy of Sciences - This lecture is also published by worlds premier science magazine Nature
RE:RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by sunil shera on Jan 22, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
YOU ARE YUR OWN COMPETITOR IN STUPIDITY, AND YOU MANAGE TO SURPRISE ME YET AGAIN!! answer in context here - the question is regarding the scientific ethos of islam - ehich i contend is non-existent ! you point out a commentary book which cannot be considered SEMINAL, plus i see 2 people endorsing the book and you qualify it as "endorsed by all leading science historians"
stop this hyperbolic sel-congratulations and point out to me 3 seminal contributions of islam, dare?? btw, first check the meaning of seminal , you STUPID
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
"scientific legacy to us is abominable to say the least "- whom you are disgusted against?? Check this -The current executive director of standford mathematical society and fellow of american mathematical association and a popular author of great many research books says "Islam kickstarted science" in Guardian newspaper of UK
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
As for as Science History goes I better take the statement of David A King the eminent science historian who gave this on the prestigious Johann Wolfgang Goethe University-Germany than rediff educated guys like you web.uni-frankfurt.de/fb13/ign/astronomy_in_baghdad/lecture.html
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by JGN on Jan 22, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
Mr. balaord, I have checked the site you mentioned. It seems that your link is to MIT Press (it is like the Oxford University Press - a Publishing House) and not the university. They will publish any book that has a potential for sale!
Your claim is like Indian Hindus claiming Mr. Srinavasa Ramanujan as their own when in fact the brahmin priests had refused to conduct his last rites as he had gone to UK and lost his "dharam" due to crossing the Seas!!!!!!1
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by rexberry on Jan 22, 2008 07:31 PM Permalink
Read Tahrirolvasyleh by ayatollah khomeini I BET U AFTER READING THIS BOOK U WILL GOOGLE OUT BHASKARACHARYA,VEDAS AND PASTE HERE
RE:Islam - fountainhead of Science, UTTERLY LAUGHABLE!!
by samasta on Jan 22, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
islam fountainhead of science????? lol!!! the arabs even stole the numbers from us and stated that they found numericals
Good Joke.... "Modernising" the terrorists so that they can attack more accurately with appropriate training. Government's next step will be "Modernising" islamic outfits - JeM, LeT, SIMI. Good governance.
RE:Funds are being wasted.
by Srinivas Kasinathan on Jan 22, 2008 06:45 PM Permalink
Yes all muslims pay tax. Do you think that any muslim in India can buy any product, any product, without paying tax? For that matter can any Indian buy without paying tax? Food, beverages, clothes, building matls, sports goods, cigarettes, alcohol, petrol, diesel, travel tickets, birth, death, marriage, you name it every damn thing is taxed in this country! So whether a muslim or a christian or a hindu or a buddhist or whoever, all those who are Indians have to pay taxes--indirect and direct both. It is hightime we Indians stopped being so idiotic like asking such stupid questions on forums like these. Basic issue is funding of religious schools; well for that matter many schools of other religions apart from madrassas too receive this funding from govt. The only problem is making sure that the purpose for which the funding is used is right. Sadly madrassas have earned a bad reputation. The solution here would be for forward looking madrassas run by moderate maulvis to open the madrassas for nonmuslims as well. Start inviting nonmuslim students to study Islam and then find out if the teaching is all about hatred toward other religions. I am sure this will not be the case. I hope somebody somewhere takes cognizance of my suggestion and moves this forward.
RE:Funds are being wasted.
by rexberry on Jan 22, 2008 06:58 PM Permalink
@srinivas i used to be a muslim supporter being a hindu... but now i m in a islamic country where even kerala muslims insists me to change my religion.... these is been done only by labourers/taxi drivers from india and pakistan... arabs will never insist anyone to change there religion....suddenly i realised these ppl have got teachings from so called madrasas...They directly say we are kafirs and mohammed says kafir becomes pure if he becomes muslim and blah blah... we work here in top post and still bear all this bullshit as we are minorities here... anyways i m comin back to mumbai on may cant tolerate all this non sense...
RE:Funds are being wasted.
by zubair shighrekar on Jan 22, 2008 06:24 PM Permalink
I AM A MUSLIM AND I AM PAYING TAX...
HAJ SUBSIDY IS THERE BUT EVEN AFTER THAT SUBSIDY PPLS HAVE TO INCURRED 80 TO 90 THOUSAND RUPEES AND LAKHS OF PPLS ARE GOING FOR HAJ EVERY YEAR, SO JUST THINK HOW MUCH BUSINESS OUR AIR SERVICES ARE GETTING ETC ETC...
AND DONT U KNOW HOW MANY MUSLIMS AND NON MUSLIMS WORKING IN GULF COUNTRIES. SO MUCH OF REVENUE IS COMING FROM THESE PPLS..
AND U R ASKING DOES MUSLIMS PAY TAX ???
U TELL ME HOW MUCH IS THE PERCENTAGE OF TAX PAYERS IN INDIA ???
RE:Funds are being wasted.
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
Zubair - Did you see the National Geographic channel link I gave in this forum? Just wanted to know..
RE:Funds are being wasted.
by sunil shera on Jan 22, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
THE IT DEPARTMENT CLEARLY STATES THAT MUSLIMS (20% OF POPULATION) ONLT PPAY 1.5% OF TOTAL TAX !! MUSLIMS ARE ALSO THE HIGHEST DEFAULTER OF BANK LOANS - A MUSLIM IS MORE LIKELY TO DEFAULT 70 TIMES THAN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY (SOURCE - RBI)
IT IS CLEAR THAT ON AVERAGE HINDUS SAVE AND PAY TAXES WHILE MUSLIMS DEFAULT - THEY ARE A DRAG ON OUR COUNTRY LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST 800 YEARS
RE:Funds are being wasted.
by rexberry on Jan 22, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
then zubair all u guys can boycott this subsidy as u feel AI is the only winner plus you are not even happy... come on even saudi government is against subsidies... pakistan has stopped givin subsidies to there pilgrims... its clearly mentioned only those people shud come who got that much of money... there are so many ppl from dagestan coming to haj with 25 yrs savings travellin via road for the whole month.... u get everything in india ... and still u complain THEN BETTER BOYCOTT THIS SUBSIDY... WILL YOU START THIS TODAY
come on muslim brethern... you can do it with valour and jeal to learn and compete with any other fellow indian. This is a welcome step sans any political appeal...??
RE:Maurizio Iaccarino
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 06:03 PM Permalink
what about Keith devlin, who is the current executive director of standford mathematical society and fellow of american mathematical association and a popular author of great many research books says "Islam kickstarted science" in Guardian newspaper of UK
RE:RE:Maurizio Iaccarino
by Vasanth Srinivas on Jan 22, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
Dont go for Europe. Stay in India. Abdul Kalam is there. It doesn't mean all are APJs here. How many of your children are educated in schools....? When compared to those in Madarassas, it will be far far away. You can't deny that.
RE:Maurizio Iaccarino
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 06:03 PM Permalink
what are you going to say about MIT univeristy,publishing a book authored by Columbia univeristy professor and endorsed by all leading science historians??
Its good that Congress undertand that too much oiling Muslims will bear no fruit.After all there is lot of competition here-CPM,Samajwati,DMK all are good oilers.So BJP is taking away all votes.
RE:Good step
by Srinivas Kasinathan on Jan 22, 2008 06:51 PM Permalink
Oilers! I like this word! This is the basic reason why Modi won in Gujarat. It was not because of Hindutva but due to disgust felt by hindus who traditionally supported Congress and other parties because of too much oiling by the "oilers!"
RE:what is wrong in Quoting world's premier magazine Nature?
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
who is Maurizio Iaccarino? unesco.org/science/adgs_sc.shtml#iaccarino
RE:why we need it?
by SAMEER A on Jan 22, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
only 2% of Muslims studyign in Madrasas in INDIA. For this itself u pupil r crying and not easy to digest ..........ITS VERY CLEAR
RE:why we need it?
by Vasanth Srinivas on Jan 22, 2008 06:34 PM Permalink
For "educating" 2% in madarassas, we lost Kashmir. If 20% is educated, then god help us. India will be a colony of Porkistan.
every madrassa is a centre of terrorism, but its not a fact.
in madrassas kids learn about their religion, and i think in every religion ppls use to send their kids to learn abt their religion, so whats wrong in this ???
we teach them abt our religion from a very small age. nothing bad in this.
if each and every madrassa produce terrorist then not only india but the whole world will be wiped out in few months....
so dont be jealous abt grants to muslims, just take it easy.
RE:RE:why we need it?
by balaord on Jan 22, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
Zubair - could you please reply whether you looked at the references I have given in the forums Just wanted to know.
