Fight On Churches is not on Christians or Christian missionaries but on Dalit 90% of Indian church is of Dalit when you keep church target and kill, it is killing Dalits only, Today RSS, VHP, Shivasena all the Hindu fanatic groups are using Dalits in their movements it is just taking their own finger and putting in their own eye, to day in Orissa those who involved in burning up houses and killing is not so called Hindus but the poor Dalit, In Gujarat fight against the church and Godhra roits Modi and other hindu leaders have used only Dalit in violence it is not so called Hindu died. Who were people died in Babrimasid & Rammandir UP violence it is the Dalit who had no access to the temple, not the temple poojaries. So it is you Hindus misusing SC, ST Tribal not the church, %u201CThis is the thing we all have to think today%u201D Please let%u2019s take note of it .
RE:Fight On Churches is not on Christians or Christian missionaries but on Dalit
by vaidyanathan sreeram iyer on Jan 06, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
prem seems to be a anti hindu terrorist who is again trying to split and rule the so called "hindus" right we are not Hindus we are Sanathana Dharmees , christians are very very crooked that they devide and rule Hindus includint the Sonia
RE:Fight On Churches is not on Christians or Christian missionaries but on Dalit
by MathiMeen on Jan 06, 2008 03:09 PM Permalink
Brand name has changed, from Hindu to S Dharm, is it a faith or a product, twist it, turn it, plus it, minus it, all golmaal.
Yes we accept that our religion has caste system let us not go deep into it now. I want to ask
Muslims - who is sunni, shia, ahmadiya, Bhora. Can a Indian living in Saudi marry a local woman no change he will be hanged.
Christinas - catholic., syrian, protestand etc what are they. Except Cathlics other do not have any mooring. All western counties have lost their moorings.
Those who have clear mind will know that Hinduism is the best.
RE:Faith
by bqrb on Jan 06, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
You need to update your knowledge about islam. To accept islam you need to fulfill certain covenants. Some groups declaring themselves to be muslims, do not become muslims. They are non-muslims. In islam there's no clergy or sects. The best muslim is the one who is pious and righteous. Pedigree has no grade. I personally know many foreigners married to saudi ladies.
RE:Faith
by vaidyanathan sreeram iyer on Jan 06, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
Muslims are always ready to marry girls from other religion /sect but what about Muslim grls marrying HIndu boys can u accept the same ? in kerala there was a roit when fathima had an affair with narayanan and the funniest thing was both of them were elephants. that is the fooloshness of Muslims
RE:Faith
by Srini on Jan 06, 2008 12:43 PM Permalink
There is no problem in saying hinduism is the best. I will say it is super best but its best for you. You cant say that its best for me. I have the right to choose whats best for me.
RE:Faith
by Sultan on Jan 06, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
dear hindu brother,
who said you we cannot marry saudi girl we can marry because of economical problems, langauge problems, cultural problems. we cannot marry her. not because of caste like hinduism. if you have a good salary and you want to settle their you can marry this is social problem not caste.
RE:RE:Faith
by beessmilla on Jan 06, 2008 04:22 PM Permalink
saudi are no great people brother. they are also hindus few thousand years back. at that time their dream is to stay in india at least for few days in their life time. 99.% of muslims are pure hindu decendents.
RE:Faith
by bqrb on Jan 06, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
What is this big cry about Hinduism? Some one the board says 'Hindu' is a slur word in Persian, another says it is not Hindusim, it is Santana Dharm and so on. Here you call Arabs to be Hindus etc. After all what is Hinduism?
Islam is about oneness of God, worhsipping One God, without associating partners. As a muslim I beleive Islam - which carries the code of conduct for mankind, was sent along with the first of mankind. Mankind deviated from this divine path and started idol worship. The first idol was not made in India or by Hindus, it was made in Shams (part of present middle east. The idol was made not as representation of Allah, it was made as a representation of a tribe with clay. Over time the igrnorance spread more idols came into being.
Allah selected certain men and enlightened them with the true message, to guide mankind. Mohammed is a human and the last of those selected men.
Yes my ancestors may have been idol worshippers, it makes no difference to me, as they deviated from truth. would a newborn left alone without external influences will make idols as we see today and start worshipping them, no he will not. They why are you doing it?
it is not right to try prople to convert while they are in week minds. if you have that much courage with your faith you should debate with people who is havind a study mind...otherwise you are doing a pity job crist dont ask you to spread the message to the world but he came only to jews as he said...and for him charity means real help to poors not like you think, that it is for easy conversion using peoples week mind when they are sick or poor
RE:conversion
by selah on Jan 06, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
and why modern hindutva ( not hindus)worry about convertion. it is their choise to choose their faith in their life. if you want to some thing really go and help poor with out thinking any favor from them.
RE:conversion
by prem kumar on Jan 06, 2008 11:51 AM Permalink
Today you know them as weak and poor, man don't you know when you kept them out of village? don't you remember when your fore fathers asked them to tie up a mud pot on their neck to spit in only? don't you know you people never allowed a dalit man to walk in village with shoes? once you did not want to see their foot print on the streets so tied a palm leaf on their back, so when a dalit puts down his pant do bet him, when their shadow fall on you to had bath and bet them, you trated crually those poor and made the m weak minded so today when some one want to bring them up to strenthen you don't want them what a good job we Hindus are doing!!!oh oh oh ..remember we Dalit SC,ST,and BCs are only real Hindus and we never stop becoming christian it is not some one is making us but it's our choice.....
RE:conversion
by subbu ayya ramasamy on Jan 06, 2008 01:57 PM Permalink
How about christians-don't you know slavery was practised in all through europe and they slaves were treated worst than animals?Now these christians and muslims invaed and force converted africans-what has happened-did poverty and discrimination disappear?In fact if you go through the history the people killed by christians and muslims are 1000 times more than the so called selfless service by your people has saved?Why the hell this moron pope pumps in money to India to convert people to christianity-why not try Saudi Arabia or other muslim countries?The cruelty inflicted by both iddle eastern religions are far greater than what you have said aboutIndia!Now they are planning to play good!Cheaters!I Know how as a student I was discrininated by these christian morons in their college-mind this college was getting 90% salary and 100% expenses from government grant!Even now there are whites who think you are not humans and tryto enslave you by using christianity as a shield-first realise that you idiot!
RE:conversion
by prem kumar on Jan 06, 2008 04:06 PM Permalink
you first think about your people and your nation don't use such nonsense words please think through......
RE:conversion
by vaidyanathan sreeram iyer on Jan 06, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
Jeasus the Methological charecter of chiristian epics was never born in real
All Non-Hindu relgions are doing conversion. There was no other religion other than Hinduism and no point there was a reconversion policies there. Also it has lot of religion and if you go in depth, it is the way of life. Both the relgions have been saying that there is no caste based or sub divisions inside.But those who have converted, are still in the same caste code they had earlier meaning, if a person belongs to Caste X when he was in Hindu, has been treated the same when he joins Xtrians. The marriges are also based on the same way as they were in Hindu. The issue with Hinduism there are somany paths to attain HIM and it is liberal and there are somany gurus and followers. No heads have been largely accepted like Vatican Head. If a person really wants to convert let him but there should be some guidance for regious leaders. We need to have a debate and a resolution. If not,people will fear on social changes and it may change a polical & social fabric of this country and there would be loss of face of this great Nation. Don't try to say the greatness of the religion but talk on the debate.
RE:Debate Needed
by Contractor on Jan 06, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
why you guys always cry if some one converts to some other faith?? In india if some one converts you guys have a different reason.If some one converts in a foreign land you giys have a different reason.. who stops you from converting..? by the way in which caste you will put some one converts from xianity to Hinduism..
RE:Debate Needed
by Srini on Jan 06, 2008 09:17 AM Permalink
Hinduism was never a religion. It was a social order. Hindutva is not about hinduism its about looking at the world in a particular way that some people think is Indian. Hinduism or paganism existed all the way from arabaia to the northern tip of australia. Geo-political and religious changes occur over a period of hundreds of years. So in the past few hundred years hinduism has been limited to a very small land mass in the world. It has been on the decline from hundreds of years and its still declining because hinduism does not offer an ideology. The best arguments made by hindus is that Xians are evil, Islam is evil and thats why you should be hindu. :-) Well this wont stop the decline of hinduism. One has to accept that hinduism is on its last leg after a marathon run of thousands of years. How many of you think that hinduism would be dominant religion after 100 years in India ? No one. Its a constant process of messages conveyed by way of media that will change the way a common indian thinks.
RE:Debate Needed
by Sensor on Jan 06, 2008 12:31 PM Permalink
Religion is matter of faith not a product. The so called evangelists usurp money from innocent beliverrs and use 99% of the money for their self and 1% to convert innocent people.
HI, I am from the Mayurbhanj District. I am not supporting what Dara did but people cann't imagine what these nonsense so called priest and the nonsense organizations are doing in the remote areas. They are using the innocence backward caste people. I can tell one true incident. Once I had an opportunity to meet some of the backward guys in a very remote area. I have asked one person how he was converted to Ch. He told me.... Once he had fever and some so called volunteer came to meet him. They gave some medicine and told him to take with the name of his GOD. (These people believe many stones and trees as their GOD). So, next day they came and asked him whether he is feeling better. But he was still in high fever. Then they gave another medicine and told him to take with the name of Hindu GODs. The person did what they told. And the very next day they came with another medicine and told him to take with the name of Christ. And after taking for some days he was recovered. This made the person believe that only Christ exist........ Actually, that area is malaria prone and these volunteers know this. In India now one can tell or do anything against Hindu GODS and GODDESS but no body dare to do it for other religion. Its all politics nothing else. Dara did a very wrong thing by killing the kids but he was very much right by punishing some of these volunteers as our court of laws or our system is not going to punish them.
RE:True Story!!
by Srini on Jan 06, 2008 08:45 AM Permalink
There are some very disturbing aspects to your post. 1) You want to disobey the law of the land because you dont believe in the judicial process. You are justifying terrorism. 2) What were so called "hindutva" organizations doing to help the malaria infected person. Why do they have to wait for help from a Xian missionary ? 3) When the so called "hindutva" organizations can plan and carry out attacks on the churches and missionaries why cant they organize to help the needy and the poor ?
RE:True Story!!
by Srini on Jan 06, 2008 08:56 AM Permalink
So are you saying hindu organisations dont have money ? Do you know the amount of donations that some important temples in India get?
RE:RE:True Story!!
by selah on Jan 06, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
i dont agree with tata...in some points. but the thing is why it is not right to try prople to convert while they are in week minds. if you have that much courage with your faith you should debate with people who is havind a study mind...otherwise you are doing a pity job crist dont ask you to spread the message to the world but he came only to jews as he said...and for him charity means real help to poors not like you think, that it is for easy conversion using peoples week mind when they are sick or poor
RE:True Story!!
by beessmilla on Jan 06, 2008 04:07 PM Permalink
dear salh islam has come to india and paki by cutting the throats of male population and having sex with their female counter parts todays muslims are their suceesors understand history
RE:RE:True Story!!
by deep dar on Jan 06, 2008 09:25 AM Permalink
I find it interesting that Srini doesn't have anything to comment on the actions of missionaries who take advantage of poor people!
RE:True Story!!
by Srini on Jan 06, 2008 09:28 AM Permalink
Who has stopped you to take the advantage away ? Its not about YSR. Ministers come and go. Hinduism has done nothing for the poor. Tomorrow you will say that George Bush takes away the chadava from your temples. Atleast give a sensible argument mate.
RE:True Story!!
by deep dar on Jan 06, 2008 09:24 AM Permalink
do u know that YSR Reddy has a ministry controlling the funds that only temples receive, and he funnels it to churches and mosques???
RE:RE:True Story!!
by Tataghata Mukherjee on Jan 06, 2008 09:53 AM Permalink
Dear communist Srini, Sangh Organisations haev 70-80000 NGOs around the world for helping poors...
RE:True Story!!
by Srini on Jan 06, 2008 12:41 PM Permalink
around the world !!!!! If they do it in India that enuf. :-) But they wont get time out of their hate campaign.
RE:True Story!!
by Tataghata Mukherjee on Jan 06, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
well.. whatever I said was sarcasm.. could not u understand that? huh? jihadi orgs and missionaries are busy harvesting souls....
I think it's a good time to ban all CHADDI organisations such as RSS, VHP, BilliDal, Shivsena or bla bla bla..They are just made up in india to fight with all kind of minorities and produce trouble quite often...I think it's a good time for Manmohan Singh and Sonia Ghandhi to ban these all CHADDIs so this country will be safer and without human terrorists...so CHADDI bhagao..hamare desh ko bachavo!!!!
The latest genetic information and archeological evidances are confirming what many of us long suspected. The Indian upper caste people are of Arab descent. Calling oneself God's chosen people, calling oneself twice born and also wearing a holy thread has been quite common in the Arab world. For example the Arab Jews call themselves God's chosen people, the Arab Christains call themselves born again, the Arab Persians wear a holy thread along their waist. Also the Arab looks of the top three castes in India is indisputable. Now we finally know how some Indians have long noses and fair complexion. What was hidden through history is being exposed by technology namely the genetics study and the lates archealogy dig, most notably in Syria and Khurdistan.
RE:Indian upper castes are of Arab descent?
by Sensor on Jan 06, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Great. Does this prove who resembels whom ? Did people migrate from here or arbs mograte to here
RE:Indian upper castes are of Arab descent?
by beessmilla on Jan 06, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
arabs are decendents of indian upper caste. it is a fact. saudi sheiks and other arabs are decendents of indian brahmins and rajputs,mianly and also few more castes.ou can conduct DNA test for this if you want. same way prophet mohd and jesus are also decendents y
RE:WHY VATICAN NOT SECULAR ?
by subbu on Jan 06, 2008 02:04 PM Permalink
Can you get permision for a Hindu like me to construct a temple in Vatican and setle there-I am prepared to settle there and preach and convert christians including pope to Hinduism by inducing and offering what he wants!
RE:WHY VATICAN NOT SECULAR ?
by Godwyn on Jan 06, 2008 04:45 PM Permalink
Preach Hinduism??you learn it first!! and do you think there's something left in your hands to offer christians??the greatest thing what we have in our religion is immense faith tat you cant try to convert us...and let me tell you that if you also have the same faith in your own religion, then no christians or Muslims can convert you...
pope and his followers should itrospect why they can convert only poor below poverty line and tribals--and that is possible only with money--because these poor people neither they can read nor understand any religious book/philosophy -- they need money to buy roti-kapada-ghar-- that is supplied by foreign christian missionaries--and poor people dont mind if these missionaries call them christians
the important part to think is why educated and middle class people reject christan religion
RE:christan religion not accepted by literate and middle class
by prem kumar on Jan 06, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
Today when a Dalit SC,ST man marries Puijary never come for sermoney, many dalits are not allowed to marry in temple premises, In AP Mahabubnagar just because a Dalit man entered in to Temple they left the Temple and build an other one, to day in Karnataka dalits are kept seperate glass for drinking Tea from hotel in village why? do you see all these? you said that Missionaries are supporting poor yes my dear help is need to only helpless not the rich. We Hindu failed to treat and take care every one equally so people choose freedom in Christianity. to day Hindus are raising rather to gain majority but not to bring equality. when you don't need them you said they are out caste made out of brahma's dung(Toilet)or wastage why do you today want that which are made out of dung? why you people never counted the Tribal and Dalit as hindu for decades now to gain your majority and keep them under you you want to stop conversion and violate them man! what a silly thing people never want allow some one to live peacefully, olden days they were oppressed in one way today you want them to oppress this way is it good judgment? the world should clap p for you sir,.... Christians real Hindus for tolerance ,dutyful,love and for goodness...
