What does the upa government done for the people in last 4 years.he put one step forward but bactracks four steps due to pressure from allies.he is coward dont have guts to take strong decission .there are several terrorist attacks but he kept mum not even visiting the victims after blast.congress groom terrorist without bringing antiterror laws like pota fearing loss of minority vote.they dont talk about price raise,terrorism they talk about sachhar,minorities only.these secular primeminister government knows to say there is no ram in supreme court and hurting hindus did the present government has guts to say there is noallah or nojesus.he is not a prime minsister but a priminister appointee running the goverment on day to day basis without falling is his only success
Minority appeasement started from independence ,every political party from state to regional appeasing minority for their votes. BRING UNIFORM CIVIL CODE BUIT RAM MANDIR IN AYODHYA even the political parties are afraid of pronouncing the word hindu ,fearing loss of minority votes.did anybody knows soniagandhi pronounced the word hindu?
RE:HINDUS ARE DEPRIVED OF THEIR RIGHTS
by ryan on Jan 04, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Also abrogate article 371 and snatch back POK.. rehabilitate kashmiri hindus back in their homeland and kick out all terrorist jihadi katwas!
RE:HINDUS ARE DEPRIVED OF THEIR RIGHTS
by Subash Shukla on Jan 04, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
Dear Siva - Minority Appeasement started by MK Gandhi and followed vigorously by Congress for short term benefits in the election. The Nation comes first - religion does not even have a second place for a true Nationalist. The root cause is MKGandhi/Nehru and Congress.
RE:HINDUS ARE DEPRIVED OF THEIR RIGHTS
by TOOLS BANGALORE on Jan 04, 2008 01:30 PM Permalink
throw these psedo seculars out of the power for 15 years then they will understand what is secularism. let Muslims also understands how a so called hindu Facists treat them. kickthe congress out of power. let these guys lick sonia's Rahul's feet for years and by the time India will shine
RE:Hindu Jehad
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 05:04 PM Permalink
So long as there are muslim terrorists, such organizations will be there. Rightly or wrongly the hundus are now perceiving such organisation as their saviour as they have lost faith in the so-called secular parties! Now don't jump to the conclusion that I am an RSS/BJP goon.
RE:RE:Hindu Jehad
by asadullah usmani on Jan 03, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
So you accept that RSS, Bajrang Dal, VHP etc. are terrorist organisations. Good!. and also, that they are in response to terror by Muslim groups like Al-Quida, LeT, JeM etc. Right. Tell me when the RSS was founded more than 100 years, and when the Al-Quida types 10 -15 or at the most 20 years. who is reactionary?
RE:Hindu Jehad
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
Mr.asadullah usmani, you are reading more than what I have written. Pl go thru history and find our what all have been committed in the name of religion and non-existent gods. Nearly two-thirds of all wars fought by mankind were in the name of religion and gods! It is not confined to only the Indian sub-continent.
The renewed belligerance of the muslims the world over started after the revolution ( ? ) in Iran lead by a religious leader. Till then they are striving to get modernised and mingle with the progressive elements of other religions. Some how the Mullahs in the West Asia (especially the Wabi sect) managed to brain-wash the muslims and now genie is out of the bottle.
RE:Hindu Jehad
by ammy on Jan 03, 2008 05:52 PM Permalink
Hindu extremism exist as reaction to islamic terrorism...Islamic terrorism exist becoz its sanctioned in their so called holy books as a holy duty...
RE:RE:Hindu Jehad
by asadullah usmani on Jan 03, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
I read only what u wrote dear. I'm sure u would not have forgotten the nummber of those killed in the wars like Mhabharata and Lanka. also take pain to explain which all relegions have been involved in these wars (that you havi mentioned). We don't know Iran etc. we take lessons seeing deeds of people like you.
RE:RE:RE:Hindu Jehad
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 06:00 PM Permalink
Mr.asadullah usmani, Mahabharata and Ramayana are stories. The hindus do not consider them as devine revealations.
It is foolishness to compare what is written in a story with historical facts! Grow up man.
>>>>>>>>>> we don't know Iran......... wonderful. In which century are you living???
RE:RE:RE:RE:Hindu Jehad
by Arjun Periyar on Jan 03, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
Dear JGN, This man will ner grow. He will always remain in the sixth century & will always see the dreams of being in the paradise with 72 vergins (I don't know why only 72?) by killing infidels.
RE:Hindu Jehad
by Arjun Periyar on Jan 03, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
Dear, Islamic terrorism in India is existing for more than last 800 years since the time Mohammed Ghori. RSS is existing only for last 83 years & is using Lathi as the only weapon. So, don't tray to compare it with other militant organizations who are using RDX & AK-47 to kill the innocent people. I know that being a muslim you have social compulsion to criticise RSS but be rational in criticism.
RE:Hindu Jehad
by asadullah usmani on Jan 03, 2008 05:51 PM Permalink
Oh really! Did Gose , an RSS man kill Gandh with a lathi? There is evidence that ingujrat riots RSS terrorists even used missiles.
RE:RE:Hindu Jehad
by Subash Shukla on Jan 04, 2008 01:09 AM Permalink
The only pity and bad luck for India is that Godse was late by 10 years. If he had acted in 1938 - before the commencement of WW-II and not as late as 1948 - India would have been ONE country.
RE:Hindu Jehad
by Arjun Periyar on Jan 03, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
Gandhi was killed much before his physical assasination by the betrayal of the Muslim leage & spread of communal violance by Muslim League in the country. So don't try to talk great by giving rememberance to Mahatma Gandhi. The other point is RSS as an organization did not carry out any murders or violance. If RSS starts using missiles, then you will not remain in a position to talk in such radical language.
RE:Hindu Jehad
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
Why do you remember only Godse? What about those who killed Mujib-ur-Rehman and wiped out his entire family? What about the killing of Abraham Lincon? JF Kennedy? Hanging of Z.A. Bhutto? There are numerous such incidents in world history.
RE:Hindu Jehad
by pankaj bhatia on Jan 03, 2008 09:07 PM Permalink
asad.. you are speaking the language of islamic preachers with all these crude statistics. RSS was founded with an aim of preserving the moral and spiritual traditions in India. And they are still doing the same... aab jo raste mein aayega use ukhadna to padega
RE:Hindu Jehad
by krishna on Jan 08, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
yOU BLOODY FOOL please note they are all hardcore nationalists .Their country comes first rather than their religion idealogy They will not sell out this country.But for this muslim jehadis whereever they are their religion comes first rather than their country.This is a proven fact all over the world whether that is literate or illiterate
RE:RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by asadullah usmani on Jan 03, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
Who knows it is actually Mr. Qureshi, anyone can assume any name on email to prove a point and its quite common I may not be asadullah but Rahul Sen or U may not be rehana but Gurmeet Singh
RE:RE:RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by GRJ on Feb 07, 2008 08:51 PM Permalink
Why these masks and hy[ocricy.....prove that such people who say they are good, innocent, considerate etc., are HUMAN not.......... killers of humans.
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
Dear Rehana Khan, unfortunately a good majority of your co-religionists are the type of Mr. Kureshi.
Btw I have read 2 versions (English translations) of The Koran and know for sure what its contents are. Most muslims are liberal only because they are not following what is written in The Koran (not due to the contents of the same)!
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by asadullah usmani on Jan 03, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
Dear JGN what you have quoted is a verse from the Holy Quran i.e. word from Allh and not from prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Yes, it is correct and it catagorically asks Muslims not to complel anyone to embrace Islam. any Muslim who does not obey this is a sinner. Now your second point it is unfair generalisation by you that world wide Muslims are madly fighting to compel non believers accept Islam on the instructions of Mullahs (those who are really doing this are wrong) but a great Mejority is fighting against occupation, aggression, and voilation of thier rights like in Iraque, Pelestine, Afghanistan, Chechenia etc. because as a human principal Islam does allow its followers to defend themselves as well as others against such things and defence as you know also includes pre emptive striks on legetimate targets.
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by Arjun Periyar on Jan 03, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
Dear Usmani, What you are saying is in short the right of existance & every living species try to defend their existance in every possible way in their capacity. So there is nothing special if the same thing is written in the holy book. Even if it had been not written, every human being, who is muslim today, still would have defended his right of existance. The problem is you are using this interpretation to mobilise people in your religion for the objective of mass terrorism & to hijack the rest of the society.
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by ammy on Jan 03, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
Usmani, how do you explain the verse- 9:5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
Btw, this verse was revealed after Mecca was invaded by mohammad and meccans did not offer any resistence...
For all those who dont know, this verse was revealed, when mohammad ordered all pagan meccans to accept islam or face death...he granted them four months to decide their fate. After which they would face death if they did not convert. This contradicts 2:256: "There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower."
Becoz this verse was revealed by mohammad when he was weak millitarily compared to pagans.
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
Dear asadullah usmani, there cannot be any words from Allah. Allah had no wireless technology to communicate with Mohammed. The Koran was the concoction of Mohammed to motivate his followers (with all those rewards in heaven or curel punishments in hell, etc). He was a tribal leader trying to establish his rule and had to resort to whatever had been said in The Koran and was applicable to 7th Century Arabia. You cannot replicate that in 21st century anywhere in the world.
In today's wrold, driven by science and technology, the religions and so-called holy books have lost their relevance. Believe in yourself. You are not inferior to somebody who lived hundreds of years back nor are bound to follow what has been written in a book hundreds of years back.
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by asadullah usmani on Jan 03, 2008 06:05 PM Permalink
Your initial question was far less philosohical than your present response, which has totally drifted from the core issue that u raised and the question that u asked. please re read your initial question read my reply, introspect and then decide if you have got the answer or not . But rather than doing that u are starting a meaningless debate which u also no is waste of time. If you are really serious let it reflect. other wise"your way is for u and mine for me".
RE:RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>your way is for u and mine for me....... but you people are not allowing that!!!!
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by Arjun Periyar on Jan 03, 2008 06:09 PM Permalink
Dear Usmani, If you don't have your own wisdom to debate, then get lost & don't waste our time.
RE:RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by GRJ on Feb 07, 2008 08:58 PM Permalink
When we say Muslims should enlighten their progeny to live amicably in India as like other communities also.....some one was demanding a pardon....that is the extent of pressurising and emotional black mail.
The need of the hour is STOP MUCKING UP HUMANITY IN THE NAME OF RELIGIONS.....AND GODS. NO GOD EVER WROTE A DOCUMENT WHICH ARE USED AS ULTIMATE AUTHORITY. NO GOD USED A PA SYSTEM AND ANNOUNCED TO THE PRIMITIVE MAN ABOUT THE PRECEPTS OF ANY RELIGION !!!
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by Arjun Periyar on Jan 03, 2008 06:02 PM Permalink
Dear JGN, Very good statements to explain your point of view. I strongly doubt that Ismail Sayyed / Contractor is now using name of asadullah usmani to fool the members. Otherwise how different members can express the same thought again & again in similar words?
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 06:05 PM Permalink
Dear Arjun Periyar, this person is defnitely different as Ismail Sayyed (aka Contractor aka Tatagatha Mukherjee) does not know how to write a single sentence oon his own. He is just copying and pasting messages posted by various persons on this discussion board!
RE:Can any Muslim clarify this????
by bharati sarkar on Jan 04, 2008 05:44 AM Permalink
If everyone is free to practice their religion as you say then why did prophet Mohammad destroy the religion of the Arabs and their idols?
Jehadis r believers of God, there is no doubt about this. But they should understand that God will not tolerate killing of innocent people on religious basis. People teaching u that you will go to heaven if u kill non-believers r foolish.
U know God is very powerful. if he did not like non-believers, he would not have created them.
RE:RE:Suggestion to Jehadis
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 06:41 PM Permalink
Who told you that there is a god and he created everything? Is there any conclusive evidence for the existence of any god??
RE:RE:RE:Suggestion to Jehadis
by ammy on Jan 03, 2008 07:08 PM Permalink
no...but by nature man has a herd mentality...so if you kill one god, he will creat another..
RE:Suggestion to Jehadis
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 04:51 PM Permalink
Dear ammy, pl read the following message of mine and reply of one of your co-religionist and then tell me what we should infer from that!
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 11:08 AM Mr.Mohammed Kureshi, The Prophet (Mohammed) had also said "there is no compulsion in religion, your religion for you, my religion for me, etc. Are you following that? You are still following the Mullahs who ask you to "fight in the cause of Allah" and expect rewards in the paradise for killing the infields!!!!
by Mohammed Kureshi on Jan 03, 2008 11:13 AM |
No. He instructed to punish the non-believers in every possible way. The non-belivers have spoiled the world.
RE:Suggestion to Jehadis
by ammy on Jan 03, 2008 06:10 PM Permalink
Helloo!! Mohammed Kureshi is not my co religionist!! But i agree with him...Mohammad infact really said that, every able muslim should fight kafirs till no infidles are left in the world. Atleast appreciate the fact that Mohammed Kureshi is honest...
RE:Suggestion to Jehadis
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 06:40 PM Permalink
Yes, ammy, I have read The Koran and it contains verses to that effect. I know for sure that some muslims liberal but that is due to the basic goodness of humanbeings and not due to the teaching of their religion!
RE:Suggestion to Jehadis
by ammy on Jan 03, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
No! they are cowards who are simply ashamed to admit the truth. They are not good or liberal...They are like hyenas ...who wait for the lions to kill a prey, to feed on the left over...That doesnot make Hyenas peaceloving or good natured... Have you seen a single so called good muslims standing up for the rights for pundits to return home. I despise hypocrites who hide behind the mask.
That is why i said Kureshi's honesty should be appreciated
All these jobless Bangladeshis is the root cause of the problem . HUJI and Tablia-i-Jamat is Bangla Outfit with the intention of destabilizing our country . Womenhan Singh , Kindly nuke them out of existence .
RE:Root Cause = Bangladesh
by ammy on Jan 03, 2008 03:55 PM Permalink
did we really win the war of 1971? just curious...as i see, we have ended up loosers on both the sides
RE:Root Cause = Bangladesh
by Tamal Das on Jan 03, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
1971 war is a blunder made by Indira Gandhi... That creat another problem for India --"Bangladesh"
RE:Root Cause = Bangladesh
by on Jan 25, 2008 05:33 AM Permalink
Can you help me to understand clearly what is "Tablia-i-Jamat" ? Is it an islamic religious sect promoting conservative and traditional islam and maybe a terrorist jihad ? Is it true they are 12 millions in India ? Who are they ? Sunni or Shia ? Where are they coming from ? Thanks.
RE:Root Cause = Bangladesh
by Jagan on Jan 03, 2008 03:55 PM Permalink
Do Congress Govt Had Guts to throw these Illegal Bangladeshis out of our country. It is everyones problem because they eating into job market of poor Indians.
The discussion in this article is on the terror attack in UP and some people are unnecessarily talking about BJP, who have nothing to do with this act. This is only to divert attention from the real issue, i.e. Islamic terrorism or jihad.
RE:Irrelevant points
by Jagan on Jan 03, 2008 03:58 PM Permalink
This is a big problem and it requires national level co-ordination among security agencies. First, We must secure our border with Bangladesh. Next thing we must concentrate is throwing these Illegal Bangladeshis out our country.
Why just blame the terrorists ? have you seen the govt. machinery in India ? its corrupt to the core the cops, legal system, babus and netas everyone.
Terrorism is also an indication of rising frustration with corruption and nepotism and inefficiency. People can use name of Islam or ideology of Mao but they are basically fighting against a cancer of corruption and moral bankruptcy within the ruling people called govt.
The Indian govt. has forgotten that it exists basically for the people not for the self serving power hungry minority be it the babu in chair or a neta in a party.
Eliminate corruption, stop the harassment of common man at the hands of cops and other govt. servants and all such things will reduce.
RE:Dont just blame the terrorists
by ADITYA OBEROI on Jan 03, 2008 04:43 PM Permalink
MR. SINCERE CITIZEN DONT MAKE GENERAL STATEMENT THAT ALL GOVT. BABUS ARE CORRUPT. I AM A GOVT. SERVANT IT HURTS WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT ALL GOVT. EMPLOYEES ARE CORRUPT. MOST OF THEM ARE CORRUPT BUT IT DOESNOT MEAN THAT ALL ARE CORRUPT.
RE:Dont just blame the terrorists
by vasu_erfolg on Jan 03, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
Amazing: "MOST OF THEM ARE CORRUPT BUT IT DOESNOT MEAN THAT ALL ARE CORRUPT". Some small consolation !!
RE:Dont just blame the terrorists
by Hari on Jan 03, 2008 03:46 PM Permalink
Do you want to say that as long s the corruption is there, terrorism shouldn't be blamed ?
RE:Dont just blame the terrorists
by ammy on Jan 03, 2008 04:05 PM Permalink
China has more corruption than india...why dont i see terrorists bombing markets, courts and trains there??
