he may approve so many things. but one after one he may tell lie and cheating the public. This is going on for a long period since congress started ruling in this country. One side there is HINDUTAVA VOTE BANK another side they want to keep happy like CPM & DMK so that UPA government will run smotthly. these are again gain the mileage of alliance support. Let congress party ministers should not go to Temple if they do not like such hurting the Sentiment of hinuds. Enough is enough better we replace this government at any cost 2009
RE:REMOVE IT AT ANY COST 2009 ELECTION
by Sultan on Feb 28, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
The real truth is this Ravana carried away Sita, Rama.s wife, because his sister was maimed and deformed by Rama and Lakshmana. For this act of Ravana, why should Sri Lanka be set fire to? Why should the Sri Lankans be killed? WHAT LEADER SAYS ABOUT God RAMA? My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rams of Ramayana MAHATMA GANDHI Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights Story. JAWAHARLAL NEHRU Rama is not a God; but he is a hero C. RAJAGOPALACHARI First Governor General of India & Ex Chief Minister, Tamil Nadu Ramayana is not a divine story; it is only a literature KALIYUGA KAMBAN T.K. CHIDMIBARNATHA MUDALLAR RAM NAM SATYE HAY! Whenever a Hindu dies, on the way to his cremation, you say, .RAMA NAM SATYE HAY., .RAMA NAM SATYE HAY.. Did you ever ask yourself, which Ramais this? Is he the one according to Ramayana or who else? Is he be one with the above mentioned qualities? Even today people are killing each other to save his birth place without bothering the available historical and legal evidences. Be good to yourself and you be the judge without fooling yourself. .RAMA NAM SATYE HAY.!
RE:REMOVE IT AT ANY COST 2009 ELECTION
by kolumam viswanath on Feb 28, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
I agree with you. These secular shits should go and talk theses harmony in kashmir, better let them go with their family and talk these nonsense, either the whole family will be done sunnath, or atleast his family will be made to convert.
True or false, ram Setu is a matter of Sentiment-India has to pay respect to all sentiments-And this sentiment of ram Setu is more impt to TNs development(by any means it really helps TN).
RE:The main thing
by Narayanan Ramakrishnan on Feb 28, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
Mr Thomas it is a matter of sentiment first to all hindus, before becoming the sentiment of others. Shut ur mouth.
RE:The main thing
by thomas on Feb 28, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
man, i said it is Hindu sentiment which is more impt than TN development.Get me correct.
RE:RE:The main thing
by kolumam viswanath on Feb 28, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
Thomas shut ur mouth, will you allow anything is destructed like this Rome Viswanath
RE:The main thing
by sanjeevkumar gopisetty on Feb 28, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
development is always there mr.thomas...the revenue TN would be getting is 90 crores..and the cost is 2500 crores. also remember that, it would make some parts of 'indian marine waters' go into international marine waters. and all those marine waters are sources of THORIUM which is the known substitute for uranium. i ain't telling all this...but Mr.Abdul Kalam uttered all this. but what ever it is....one has to respect some SENTIMENTS....learn to do that. money is not everything in life. atleast not at the cost of other's sentiments.
RE:RE:The main thing
by sanjeevkumar gopisetty on Feb 28, 2008 03:35 PM Permalink
sorry mr.thomas i think i got ur statement wrong...i am really sorry for that. i appreciate u....
Indian culture has been dominated by Sanatam dharm!Also it has included various faiths and cultures from time to time!Shaks,Kushans,Huns,Greeks all came and mixed up in indian culture! Then came muslim invadors from Arab..but eariler muslims came and looted the country and went back.They never wanted to settle down and mix with our culture!Later Mughals came and settled and hence Muslims became part of our culture! Europeans came and converted those who were either not treated well in hindu societies or were secluded!They ofcourse are our cultural identity! But what about people like Ambika soni who converted religions only for personal gains in politics!! How can she represent Indian culture?How can she protect indian culture! Congress knows only dividing indians in the name of religion! Andhra govt starting subsidy for Jerusalam visit is the height of dirty politics!Instead they would have utilized money to develop poor areas! We are heading towards end of deomocracy ourselves...god knows if powers from outside the coutry are brains behind this!!
Ramayana was rewritten before birth of jesus and mohmmed, Ramayana concretely says about Ram Sethu even though there were no artificial sattelites present on those days
RE:Ramayana was rewritten before birth of jesus and mohmmed, Ramayana concretely says about Ram Sethu even though there were no artificial sattelites present on those days
by thomas on Feb 28, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
yes NASA had said that this is man made structure.Who else has greater authority?
RE:Ramayana was rewritten before birth of jesus and mohmmed, Ramayana concretely says about Ram Sethu even though there were no artificial sattelites present on those days
by jesforu on Feb 28, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
Yeah people were ignorant before jesus was born. Then GOD sent him with truth. Many people changed but not Hindus. They still believe in Mythical stories written to entertain kings of those times. Alas!!
RE:Ramayana was rewritten before birth of jesus and mohmmed, Ramayana concretely says about Ram Sethu even though there were no artificial sattelites present on those days
by balaji dev on Feb 28, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
BS jesforu,
Jesus is a jew and jews never beleived he is reborn. But you say he is. What you know about our culture. I dont know All guys of ur culture speak only nonsense.
Peoples before 2500 years invented a lot of truths and sciences which dont have a clear definition till now. Peoples are very good and cultured even before 1800 years. But only after that came to guys like you (half mad) every thing got ruined. Even the words of great jesus.
RE:Ramayana was rewritten before birth of jesus and mohmmed, Ramayana concretely says about Ram Sethu even though there were no artificial sattelites present on those days
by vinay thakur on Feb 28, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
Politicians like Ambika Soni,Karunanidhi,Sonia etc believes in historians like Romila Thapar who themselves are product of european historians who knowingly didnot explore indian history on religious line and called Indus valley civilization a pre Aryan thing! It was the onus of post independence indian govt and historians to research further the indian history! But congress and left rather wanted not to touch any issue related to hindu history for vote bank in last 60yrs! It is very difficult indeed to believe that Valmiki had a dream or he wrote about Ram crossing lanka making bridge some 4000yrs ago and later NASA satellite pictures have confirmed the structure there! We wont listen to Nasa or anybody!Because talking anything about Hindu might hurt our vote bank!
RE:Ramayana was rewritten before birth of jesus and mohmmed, Ramayana concretely says about Ram Sethu even though there were no artificial sattelites present on those days
by Lalu Mulayam on Feb 28, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
Guys don't fight here not making sense even politicians reading these discussion board msut be thinking we are kids , what i am suggesting i that why not to some 1,00,000 young highly educated Indians come forward from all corners of India and remove these corrupt politicians and establish something very concrete and practical and no if and buts in the law enforcement
This project should be seen from an infrastructure point of view not from a North Indian mythological view. Job and progress first, what north Indian thinks about progress in the South should be relegated to second place. North Indian should concentrate on progress in UP/Bihar and not on progress in the South. Ram Sethu is about progress- every place in India is potentially a mythological place, should we can all projects and ignore the views of the local?
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by thomas on Feb 28, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
What progress?for safe passage to LTTE terrorists(your heros)?
RE:RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by TMRK on Feb 28, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
Thomas, because of your currupted vision you can not see the positive aspects of this project. so no use to explain you. but please don't bark here with irrelevent issues.
RE:RE:RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by thomas on Feb 28, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
What irrelevent?Becoz Ravan was a Tamil u dont believe in ramayana-Who cares?Going by environmental issues and business perspective, the concerned autorities say this project is not fesible.And lastly, you may bark but i can only shout.
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by snpost on Feb 28, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
Ravan was a fictional character - from an Nothies mind. Designed to denigrate the south indians, just like Rama is a fictional character from the Nortehrn mind.
RE:RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by snpost on Feb 28, 2008 03:58 PM Permalink
Make a difference between the LTTE and the genocide of SL tamils? Are you intellectually mature enough to make that difference?
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by Krish G on Feb 28, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
its clearly for them only...
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by Asheesh Sinha on Feb 28, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
Forget the mytho. Have your read the report submitted by Indian Navy? Without any mention of religion, they have told why its a bad idea and shouldnt be implemented
RE:RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by snpost on Feb 28, 2008 04:00 PM Permalink
If the Indian navy cannot protect the Sethu project in the south - then who can?
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by TMRK on Feb 28, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
BJP government made preliminary surveys and concluded that the project is viable. That is the reason they started this project. It is in halfway now.
Some vested interests want to spoil this project and money spent on it. So they stirrup the religious sentiments and come out with some environmental issues, expert reports etc.. etc
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by PAL on Feb 28, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
Say tamilnadu's DMK politicians pockets.
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by snpost on Feb 28, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
I am saying for the whole South- the south need develoment. The north can keep their mud hut in UP/Bihar and all their mythologies on Ram. The south will remain hindu with all its greatness, but will not accepts rubbish about how great the Aryan civilization of UP/Bihar was and that a few flying monkeys from up north came down to the south in an imagined past !!!!!
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by TMRK on Feb 28, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
snpost is right. It is going to help entire south india and the nation. don't be a vitim of false propaganda
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by sanjeevkumar gopisetty on Feb 28, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
how....do u know the details?
RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by galilio on Feb 28, 2008 03:15 PM Permalink
local fishermen mostly christians dominated coastal area strongly oppose sethu project becouse they will lose in fishing as arrival of fishes are reduced now.reg development progress you can see yourself from the growth of M K family from TV channel to ships,hotels,buildings in prime area for 100 generation.so progress is there visibly- what benefit to you out of this project - u can see in map a ship moving but you will be driving in a dirty rough road waiting for funds for repairs.your neck and back will face problem with such roads.economic viability is discussed many times by experts, security riks are told by chief of naval,coastal guard,tsunmi problem is forcast by experts, marine ecology destruction is told by environmental experts.more suits filed by many people are combined together coming for hearing in s c soon.
RE:RE:RE:Why can't the Northies see the project as massive infrastructure build in South India
by snpost on Feb 28, 2008 04:02 PM Permalink
These local fishermen can get employed in the sea food hub of the South- Industries and service industries will provide jobs.
RE:still poor ram seeing these
by Lalu Mulayam on Feb 28, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
Mr. James the christian, stop talking nonsense if you don't know anything.. Ram was not a god he was reincarnation of god and he had to perform everything in the form of human beings not as a god. Same as you called Mr. Jesus christ as son of a god and there are lots of stories about him which i don't want to discuss and don't want to hurt you.. is that clear stop spewing your missionary style thoughts.
Why jesus is not wiping out terrorism from the world if he wanted to take all the pain. If there is a bomb blast he should be the one to come and rescue people.
RE:still poor ram seeing these
by Asheesh Sinha on Feb 28, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
What religion do you belong to? Christianity? Why do you need churches? Why do you pray to god? Why do you celeberate christmas or good friday? Why do you have belief in a Cross???
RE:RE:still poor ram seeing these
by galilio on Feb 28, 2008 03:22 PM Permalink
answer to yr questions- churches are places for prayer to deads and to living persons.hence they conduct funeral services as well as wedding same day.invariably it is an entry point to cemetry as well as to marriage reception hall.cross is the readymade weapon waiting for jesus secong coming but jesus is afraid of sinners who are ready with cross in every places.
RE:RE:RE:still poor ram seeing these
by Asheesh Sinha on Feb 28, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
since the original msg is deleted, I dont want to reply to this msg. But anyway, the original poster was asking questions (skeptically) about hindu mytho, and i was just showing a comparison.
i think we hindus are not having a unity like muslims and chiristians that is why these political parties are playing with hindus we must farm a unity irrespective of cast to oppose strongly and taught a lesson to politicians if it goes anything against hindus then you see the where soniya gandhi and manamohan sing will stand and one more thing i understood Mr.T R balu, Shipping minister wants to loot public money asmuch as possible in the name of ramsethu project that is the reason he is hurrying to vacate the stay because he very well knows UPA govt will be out of power that is the reason he wants to loot public money not for the ramsethu project
RE:Ramsethu
by RajeshNaidu on Feb 28, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
Ya i agree with you,as the Hindus are neglecting the things the political parties are trying to play around this matter.We should oppose this as there are around 80% of Hindus are there in India.
RE:Ramsethu
by galilio on Feb 28, 2008 04:09 PM Permalink
we are told by govt that hindus are 80% but truth is they are just 65% with christians- mainly added converts account to total 15% plus muslims 14% plus other religions balance. govt tells this to make hindus sleep in dream and to make them not realise the seriousness and danger awaiting them that they are being reduced to minority and soon they will be marginalised in their own native country of birth- islam came from arabia and christianity came from middle east, hinduism is rooted in bharath, original name of india.
RE:Ramsethu
by TMRK on Feb 28, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
please understand, it is plot and false propaganda by BJP. They only started this project and as they are oppositin and not having any issues they stirup the religious sentiments. Please beware of that.
RE:RE:Ramsethu
by Comment on Feb 28, 2008 03:37 PM Permalink
DEar TMRK
Only because of people like u in Inida we were ruled for so many years. When Nava chief clear told that its not good for security reason. R u insane or big licker who doesnt have brain to understand this.
RE:Captain H Balakrishnan - view as a Mariner on the project
by saju devassy on Feb 28, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
search for this link on rediff for a complete report, part of which is given above, search with the Captains name
RE:one question?
by Karthic GK on Feb 28, 2008 02:18 PM Permalink
The answer is a lot more simpler folks...only Hanuman was capable of flight...the army comprised monkeys, baboons and bears...so it was a lot more easier to build a bridge...
RE:one question?
by Krish G on Feb 28, 2008 02:38 PM Permalink
rite!! the vanar sena didnt possess that ability.. and lemme answer ur next Qestion too, that since Lord Ram incarnation was aimed to bring out the life and living ethics for an ideal son/husband... hence he lead a life of a ordinary human yet with a grace of our supreme power..
RE:one question?
by animesh singh on Feb 28, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
that was a miracle from God. same way hanyman lift the whole mountain and fly. but if he can do that then why he needs a bridge?
RE:one question?
by Vinu on Feb 28, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
He Can't fly with whole army. When is the Ramayana Written. atleast 500 year back, when this world imagined about airoplane, and we have details and topics where they have explained why plane of Prathavi jerks when take off or land. why Swarg yaan does not have any jerk. I am sure people call themself Hindu have no idea about there Puran and Shashtra. I am sure if you know about your Shashtra you will never listen anything against it. We have the most scientific logics behind everything we do and believe in. No other religion have that solid base and logic for their beliefs. But the hindus who are asking for Ramsethu proof have never learned their own religions.
RE:one question?
by Rajeev on Feb 28, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
500 years back !!!! u mean Valmiki lived during the period Christopher Columbus ... No wonder you guys can think like this only
RE:one question?
by Vinu on Feb 28, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
Fool I am talking about rewriting of all the big literature in Gupt Kaal. Do you know anything or not. grow up. talk sense
RE:one question?
by Rajeev on Feb 28, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
Anybody could see who talks sense here ... I wonder where did all these machine designs dissappear when homosapiens started thinking ????
RE:one question?
by arumita sharma on Feb 28, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
manali thomas learn to respect others religion ,we never laugh on mother marry coz we hindus respect others religion not like u people who are only in this world to disrespect others religion
RE:Angels
by Asheesh Sinha on Feb 28, 2008 02:03 PM Permalink
Thats the difference. No cool dude told "tomorrow" that Ram setu was built by Lord Ram, but it was scripted long before your forefather's birth
RE:RE:Angels
by Rajeev on Feb 28, 2008 02:10 PM Permalink
May be your grand grand son will write the same thing when somebody question's harry potter's existence .,. its as simple as that
RE:Angels
by Karthic GK on Feb 28, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
Well well well...Rajeev, probably not a great idea to compare Hanuman and Harry Potter...Asheesh, not a great idea to refer to anyone's fore fathers...or question someone's intellect on a matter of opinion...
RE:RE:Angels
by Rajeev on Feb 28, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
500 BC to 1000 BC and the bridge is there for 1.73 million years ... Valmiki should be a time machine to see things 1.73 million years back .. and by the way iam not advocating for destroying the natural bridge for some cheap political mileage . My concern is only this.. The government should not stoop to somebody's claim of Ram-ravan mythology and stop the developmental activity if its economical and geologically safe ....
RE:RE:Angels
by Asheesh Sinha on Feb 28, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
Ok, somehow I cant reply to you. Did you read my message that I am an aethist. More than Gods, I believe in faith that people have in those gods. this faith is what makes us different from animals.
I am not keeping any limits on you. People like you come around everyday, acting all pessimistic..
I dont care. People like you talk temples , mosques etc are root of all "Evil" (Riots), but do not realize it is ppl like you who make them issues by such cheap stunts (like idea of demolishing Ram Setus). If now its temple, tomorrow it will be a play ground, another day its going to be aur you breathe. Ppl dont need a cause for violence, they just find some. But having these wonderful ideas like demolishing Ram Sethu will raise the water too high, but i guess you dont care..
Anyway, Rama was first mentioned in Vedas, then in Valmiki's Ramayan, Vishnu Puran, Vaayu Puran. Valmiki Ramayana is dated variously from 500 BC to 100 BC
RE:RE:Angels
by Rajeev on Feb 28, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
Oh really .. u will keep limits 4 me .... And as per you Rama lived in which century .. lets play some intelligent game here
RE:RE:Angels
by Asheesh Sinha on Feb 28, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
Though Navy has said its not safe, thats not the main issue..
Auranzeb destroyed multiple Indian temples, and he will be always known in history as an autocrat and tyrant for that, do you want the same tyrnany to be back?
anyway, religion is way above than urs or mine understanding. And just remember this fact, in this world if you claim to know 1000 things there are hundreds of millions of things you dont have the slightest idea about
RE:RE:Angels
by Rajeev on Feb 28, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
I think i have to agree with your last sentence. And will disagree with the one bfore that ... I dont want to think that Religion is above yours or my undertsanding...Thats the main reason people have given such big importance to religions and forgets everything else... Anyway , nice talking to you Mr Sinha .. cheers
RE:RE:Angels
by Asheesh Sinha on Feb 28, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
You dont know the extent of my aethism. But still it is more of the sentiments of others i care about. And faith is absolutely connected to sentiments. So just because you or I dont believe in something, doesnt give us a right to play with faith of millions. If you dont believe , just keep your distance (like I do), there's no reason to harass them mentally (and i am not talking abt faiths of just Hindus, that includes muslims, christians, sikhs everyone)
RE:Angels
by Krishna V on Feb 28, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
Despite bible being younger, you people are still debating Jesus' marital status, there is no account of 17 years of Jesus's young age. Bible is the most controvertial book on this earth with church mafia being at the forefront of messing it. This aspect also highlights the narrow mindedness, disorientation and vulnerability of your community that a single book has run into umpteen controversies. Even cheap erotic and mystery books are more authentic than your book.
So just take your missionary agenda and put it in your excretory opening. Got me you son of the one who does not have a male or female organ? Now don't apply logic, this kind of miracle is in line with ones considered miracles by christians.
RE:RE:Angels
by Rajeev on Feb 28, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
Nice one, Krishna ... i liked it ... But along with that book, Quran and Gita also should go along ...
Dont be fooling around or just send something for just you have to. Think of what he is saying and what you have stated. Rather than focusing on this topic you better concentrate on what is told on above you mentioned books.
