I have read a lot of irrelevant crap about our history,about IIM,about RSS,and the list goes on.Guys we are talking about whether an old aircraft carrier is suitable or not 4 our navy stick 2 da topic for godssake!! Some one mentioned the kitty hawk's steam propulsion negatively. Dude the brits are switching to steam from nuclear power bcoz its quite expensive. Mind you I have nothing against Nuke propulsion.. I just feel its not a good idea to reject a ship like the kitty hawk just because its conventionally powered. Why am i supporting the kitty hawk over the russians carrier - Airpower. in my opinion ins vikramaditya will be the weakest aircraft carrier of the 21st century bcoz it will be armed with weak MIg 29 derivatives with limited range and payload because of the crappy STOBAR config. How can you compare STOBAR and steam catapults?Besides if u want to operate a proper aircraft carrier with good power projection capabilities u need steam catapults because they offer better thrust to aircraft hence better range and payload. Morever the kitty hawk will carry atleast 48 f18's in addition to 30 heli and radar AEW aircraft. The INS vikramaditya will carry 16 mig 29 k and 10 more helicopters :) U can see the diff right here. I have nothing against russians or americans unlike some racist ppl here..But it is very clear that the russians are armtwisting us unfairly. $4bill is ridiculous for a carrier like gorshkov..this shows how powerful the russian lobby is..
now a days it has become a fashion to support america, its causes and reasons in India--at the cost of its traditional and time tested friends--than on the merit of the things in view. The Admiral Gorshkov purchse is by now a closed deal and there is nothing in the present world compelling us to reopen it in the negative. Moreover, we know russians and they know us and nobody or anything in this world have to teach about the good or bad and they would do good only when they are seen not coming in between us. Not only that, going with Americans would be equal to dragging India back to a minimum of 20years from the present level itself. The countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and even Pakistan to say less about the present Japan would be enough to see the result of toying and coying with America and Americans.
RE:americans, rediff and the kitty hawk
by Amrit Singh on Feb 28, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
The problem is that Russians are not sticking to their part of deal. India has already paid contacted money. Russia is asking for more. The aircraft carrier which was supposed to be free, now cost alomst 3 billion USD. In addition is project is late by couple of years.
RE:americans, rediff and the kitty hawk
by Pradip Parekh on Feb 29, 2008 02:08 AM Permalink
russians, being the godless commies have no morals, are unsrcupulous people. bengalis better get rid of them amongst their midst.
RE:americans, rediff and the kitty hawk
by raj sreedhar on Feb 28, 2008 11:57 PM Permalink
sankar narayanan , Time have changed. Politics have been changed. In politics there is no permenent friend or foe. Our parliment is a fine example. Communist and Congress , what they have in common? Not a thing. You seems like one hell of America hater. Dont hate "Americans". They are nice.There are millions of Indians living in the US. HOW MANY IN YOUR FAVORITE COUNTRY RUSSIA? INDIANS ARE HOLDING HIGH POSITION IN MANY MANY AREAS IN THE US. HOW MANY INDIAN ARE MIGRATING TO "FRIENDLY" RUSSIA? BY THE WAY YOU DONT PUT ALL EGGS IN ONE BASKET. WE DID THAT FOR SEVERAL YRS. TIME FOR A CHANGE. OH BY THE WAY "YOUR OLD SOVIET UNION IS GONE FOREVER. KEEP IN MIND INDIA IS NOT A MUSLIM NATION. HOW COME YOU FORGOT TO MENSION NAMES LIKE JAPAN, AUSTRASLIA, SINGAPORE, SOUTH KOREA? THEY ARE US ALLIES AND FRIENDS . ALL THOSE NATIONS ARE ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE. THAT WHAT INDIA WANT BE . SIT ALONG WITH G8 NATIONS.AND BE A PERMENENT MEMBER OF SECURITY COUNSIL. FOR THAT WE NEED US , JAPAN, GERMANY AND THE WEST EUROPEN BLOCK. WISEUP MR. NARAYANAN. COMMUNISM IS DEAD IN YOUR FAVORITE COUNTRY RUSSIA . NO MORE COLD WAR. NO MORE SOCIALIST EASTERN EUROPE. THERE IS NO 2 GERMANY. CHINA FOLLOWS CAPITALIST ECONOMY. THE DONT WEAR MAO SUITS ANYMORE. COLD WAR MENTALITY IS NOT GOING TO HELP A BIT. COLD WAR ALSO OVER. LIKE IT OR NOT. AMERICA WILL REMAIN AS A SUPER POWER. AND IT PROVIDES HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING TO IT'S PEOPLE. AND MILLIONS STILL COMING TO IT'S SHORE AS NEW IMMIGRANTS.
Does anybody on this discussion board know anything about the Kitty Hawk??
It is the oldest aircraft carrier in the US Navy. It was commissioned in 1961 and has been in active service ever since. It is the last of the US carriers that run on steam power (the rest of the fleet are now nuclear).
So should India accept a ship that is 47 years old, even if it is given for free???
Can India afford to maintain & run such an old carrier???
These are the questions that need to be asked rather than needless fights over US slavery or Commie slaver!!!
RE:USS Kitty Hawk
by intelligent on Feb 28, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
Currently Indian Navy is on Modernisation Plan but Aircraft carrier Viraat is likely to retire in 2010 and Russian Gorshkov if struck deal will join Navy in 2011 as Per todays Report.India requires atleast 2 Aircraft carrier at any given point of time and if US offers ready Air base platform with F/18 Typhoon then it will be Advantage India for us. Moreover Even if Gorshkov is purchased then Indian Navy strength will be increased like any thing. Right now India requires Atleast 50 New warships or other options is 5 Nuke Subs
With the financial muscle India now has it should not settle for someone's "hand-me-down". I think it should now order specially designed weapons for itself. This decision making should not be in the hands of the politicians - they screw up everything - much like the Indian cricket team. Albiet, the deal should be managed by the military with guidance from the best brains in the IIMs - these guys know how to negotiate. Its high time the government started using India's brain power as well.
RE:RE: india can do better
by Naresh Nayak on Feb 28, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
Who said the IIM guys know how to negotiate? Bad assumption. A negotiation specialist knows how to negotiate. An IIM grad knows how to crunch numbers and make presentations.
Today the country lacks Lord Ram to crush the heads of Ravan poping up in China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Sri Lanka, Burma, Middle East and other parts of India and the world. Today's impotent brainwashed generation is totally at the mercy of secularists and communists. Its our mistake from generations that we bowed reverentially to every aggressor. We allowed gave up our Dharma and adopted culture of invaders, which has resulted in the present anarchy. If Indians had fought for their rights, the world would have been a peaceful place today without the scourge of terrorism.
I would say Indians don't need any weapons to beat any nation - even US, coz we have such a huge population, which gets hot even if slightly tempted that they can beat any nation in WAR just with their hands and even win the WAR.....What you all poeple say? United we stand and no one can stand us even with a nuclear weapon in their hands :)
RE:Logistic Support Agreement has been hold by the government. But Still American export Trade and Terrorism to India.
by max on Feb 28, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
us wants to dump its old ship free of cost. it will have problems dismantling it in us or else where. we got some vessel from us last month and 5 of our soldiers died of gas leak.
RE:RE:Logistic Support Agreement has been hold by the government. But Still American export Trade and Terrorism to India.
by raj sreedhar on Feb 29, 2008 12:03 AM Permalink
max, have you heard of soviet nuclear sub accidents? What you trying to say? How many Mig21 falling from the sky? US didnt offer anything. This is pure BS
RE:US has no problem to work with Mushraff and Pakistan terrorists. As US worked with Advani and RSS.
by Sahadevan KK on Feb 28, 2008 10:41 AM Permalink
You are the child terrorists of RSS.
RE:RE:US has no problem to work with Mushraff and Pakistan terrorists. As US worked with Advani and RSS.
by raj sreedhar on Feb 29, 2008 12:07 AM Permalink
Sahadevan KK , RSS is a proud patriotic organization unlike your SFI or any other Commie org: They sing Indian patriotic songs. You guys worship foreign leaders like bucher Stalin, Lennin and Mao. All violent men. Your side kick is a terrorist organization calle NAXALS. you are one hell of a SOB.
RE:US has no problem to work with Mushraff and Pakistan terrorists. As US worked with Advani and RSS.
by Sun on Feb 28, 2008 10:23 AM Permalink
Atleast its in the open,unlike commie dogs who work undercover for China.
History will prove Indian people are not ready to sell of India to America. They remember a Gandhiji and old Congress as well as how Britishers ran away from here.
RE:History will prove Indian people are not ready to sell of India to America. They remember a Gandhiji and old Congress as well as how Britishers ran away from here.
by raj sreedhar on Feb 29, 2008 12:11 AM Permalink
Sahadevan KK, What Great Gandhiji has to do with your stinking Communists? He is not your leader. He is India's leader. Your leaders are not Indian born. They are consist of White and Chinamen. You dont deserve to mention Gandhiji's name.
RE:History will prove Indian people are not ready to sell of India to America. They remember a Gandhiji and old Congress as well as how Britishers ran away from here.
by Sachin on Feb 28, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
Hey Comrade, You guys never supported Gandhi. You commies even opposed 1942 Qyit India movement. You were sympathatic to China even during 1962 war. What do you know about Gandhi or Indianness??
