From the perspective of someone who knows a little biology let me add a scientific point of view. A lot of people call gay men and women abnormal because it takes a man and a woman to create a child. Unfortunately, sex in the human species stopped being solely about procreation a long time ago (I am speaking of evolutionary timescales here thousands of years). Sex between two human beings can be about fun, an expression of love, power politics etc etc etc. Therefore, once you remove the element of procreation from the picture, sex is about who you are attracted to and it is quite possible to be attracted to members of the same sex. All the stuff below about negative and positive and north and south poles is nonsense. Science does not have an opinion, it cannot have an opinion. Science only believes in data and so far there is no data that states that homosexuality is abnormal. Before some of the brainless people who visit this site start accusing me of being gay, for the record I am straight. However, I do not see why this allows me to discriminate against people who are gay. Actually, if I spoke from a biological point of view I would actually encourage other men to be gay, less competition for the female gender for me. I am being facetious here but if propogating our genes is the sole reason for sex then I would definitely wish that all other men were gay. My point is that procreation is not the only reason for sex and therefore being gay is as normal as being straight.
RE:Science does not approve of homosexuality is a bogus statement
by Rationalist on Feb 27, 2008 01:33 PM Permalink
You can encourage gays for advantage of less competiton. But what for lesbis then? You will be loosing same numbers.
RE:Science does not approve of homosexuality is a bogus statement
by Sandipan chakraborty on Feb 27, 2008 01:38 PM Permalink
thankz for enlightning us of ur 'scientific' data analysis...but ur science is the science of the 19th century which relied completely on data and did not have any opinion..ur stuck up in the 3rd dimension analysis..which is a closed box...now u will justify ur thinking by giving some irrelevant logic...but i don't have time or else i could have discussed the so called scientific analysis..Thankz. By the way even i don't discriminate against them..there is no reason to discriminate against any one..but i want the disease to be cured.
I see many comments here that homosexuality is a 'western' trend. IN FACT, it is the opposition to homosexuality that we see on this forum that is mimicking the west! The abrahamic religions have always had anti-homosexual laws but hinduism does not have ANY such thing in the scriptures. I will challenge ANYONE arguing that homosexuality is western to point out one vedic verse criticizing one's sexuality. One step further, the Kamasutra contains specific sections for gay couples! All this homophobia is a western import - Indian tradition has always been open to people's lifestyles.
RE:Ape-ing the west
by Sandipan chakraborty on Feb 27, 2008 01:21 PM Permalink
Ur partially wrong..they r supporting it a big way by giving gay rights..all the western countries are allowing gay marriages..which is completely psycho and unacceptable..but their holy scriptures say otherwise which they don't want ot follow becos they believe in Satanic way of life. Its Satanic and anti-God..against the rules of nature. It's a disease and needs to be cured..not justified by whatsoever logic.I can only pray to God that the people who r suffering form this disease gets cured asap.
RE:RE:Ape-ing the west
by Sriram Subramanian on Feb 27, 2008 01:49 PM Permalink
Chakraborty does not sound like a muslim or christian name. So point out ANY vedic verse or hindu scriptural doctrine that says that homosexuality is a disease and that it is anti-God.
RE:Ape-ing the west
by Sandipan chakraborty on Feb 27, 2008 02:00 PM Permalink
Yeah buddy..i ma Hindu-Bramhin; but can u point out any of the Major Hindu gods or godesses being Gay/Lesbi?
homosexuality is genetic.In males we have one X and Y chromosome.X comes from female coz female has XX chromosome and Y comes from male coz males have XY chromosome.So gender of child depends on X or Y chromosome coming from father. Y is actually X with lower right part from X absent.SO Y chromosome has only lower left part.So sometimes if lower left part of Y chromosome is recessive ( generally its dominating one ) i.e not dominating one then corresponding part of X chromosome from XY dominates and the person though born as male has got female instincts.
If the behavour is due to environment or a brain problem or hormonal imbalance then it can be treated.
RE:read this
by zamana on Feb 27, 2008 12:55 PM Permalink
do you think doctor is going to check chromosome or genetic material of each n every child ? I just told the reason.
RE:read this
by Sriram Subramanian on Feb 27, 2008 01:02 PM Permalink
no because people only become sexual after puberty. so you would be able to notice a genetic imbalance when gay people reach puberty.
I see many comments here that homosexuality is a 'western' trend. IN FACT, it is the opposition to homosexuality that we see on this forum that is mimicking the west! The abrahamic religions have always had anti-homosexual laws but hinduism does not have ANY such thing in the scriptures. I will challenge ANYONE arguing that homosexuality is western to point out one vedic verse criticizing one's sexuality. One step further, the Kamasutra contains specific sections for gay couples! All this homophobia is a western import - Indian tradition has always been open to people's lifestyles.
RE:India and the West
by Fun Lover on Feb 27, 2008 12:35 PM Permalink
Opposition to homosexuality is the mark of Christian and Muslim fundamentalism. Ironically Hindu fundamentalists, who otherwise hate Christian and Muslim fundamentalists will gladly agree with them on the issue of hating gays. Probably because these fundamentalists don't use their brains. Or may be they don't have brains to use at all.
RE:India and the West
by abdul rahman on Feb 27, 2008 01:50 PM Permalink
Brother..everyone can make their point.We have freedom for that, unless that doesnt object others sensitives like culture,religion,caste or colour.Now coming back to this topic of homosexuality, the society stays from anything that is not common even if it is good or bad.If someone likes to be homosexual its their wish.But please look at the end result.It leads to a phycological nightmare,isolates one from the society,infected by dangerous diseases and ruins one's life.We are living in a society with little tolerance towards brotherhood and compasion.So If we have a problem its our responsibility to find ways to come out of it because its unfortunate even the family finds it difficult to support these victims.So its better to stay away from these things.It is in this aspect religions ban these activities for nurturing brotherhood and compasion among people.If a doctor is not following the subject he studied then he is the one to be blamed and not the subject.Also only if he is strong in the fundamentals he studied he can do his duty correctly which is good for the society.So please do not blame the religions if you dont follow them stricly.
RE:Why so much hostility?
by Fun Lover on Feb 27, 2008 12:32 PM Permalink
Really dude, if you think that positive and negative charges or north and south poles have something to do with biological sexes like male and female, then you need to revise your concepts in electricity and magnetism and also in Biology.
And if you are really repelled from all males, may be you should start hating your father first.
RE:Why so much hostility?
by Fun Lover on Feb 27, 2008 01:04 PM Permalink
Dude, are you crazy? Social approval and disapproval is not the job of science. Does science approve or disapprove of sex? Neither. Does science approve or disapprove of greed, lust, anger etc. Neither. These are just aspects of human behavior which science studies. Approval and disapproval don't come into the picture at all.
RE:Why so much hostility?
by Fun Lover on Feb 27, 2008 12:53 PM Permalink
If that was your bottom line, then what made you compare it with magnetism? Hardly a way to put forward such a "bottom" line.
By the way, Science does have many theories about homosexual behavior. But then the lack of definite conclusions is no reason to propagate nonsense.
RE:Why so much hostility?
by hedvees christopher on Feb 27, 2008 01:25 PM Permalink
Dear Ashok Chand, Homosexual, bisexual, and transgender behavior have been found in 450 species of mammals, reptiles, fish, birds, and insects. If time permits you can read a book called "Evolution's Rainbow" written by IGAN ROUGHGARDEN.
RE:RE:Why so much hostility?
by Fun Lover on Feb 27, 2008 12:44 PM Permalink
Now my sweet sugar, where is the comparison between magnetic laws and sexual attraction? Are you able to understand what I am asking or is your brain as dense as the set of Real Numbers?
RE:Why so much hostility?
by aditya shrivastava on Feb 27, 2008 01:32 PM Permalink
just to add here, There is a cable named Null modem cable. Which is male & male :-).
Science do not have any conclusions about homosexuality.
In my whole life, I have never seen any homosexuals in animal kingdom, in our villages, we have lots of cattle, poultry, never seen anything like homosexuality in animals.
I used to hear homosexuality exists only in jails, because they do not have access to women in jails.
Homosexuality is BY choice NOT by chance.
Common guys we are in hi-tech age, please invent some medicine to cure this abnormality.
Even electric switch or battery needs Positive and a Negative. (Electricity is not GAY friendly)
RE:RE:Newtons law
by hedvees christopher on Feb 27, 2008 01:29 PM Permalink
Dear Chand, Homosexual, bisexual, and transgender behavior have been found in 450 species of mammals, reptiles, fish, birds, and insects. Please go thru the book "Evolution's Rainbow" written by "IGAN ROUGHGARDEN"
RE:RE:RE:RE:Newtons law
by hedvees christopher on Feb 27, 2008 02:10 PM Permalink
How do you gather your knowledge? Through books is not one of the ways to gain knowledge because we are not omnipotent and omnipresent. If you still donot understand i am sorry. If you only understand by experience... i do not want to curse anyone because it is tough to live a such life.
RE:these
by on Feb 27, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
Yes, and you were born too late and in the wrong country. Hitler's Germany would have been proud to have you.
RE:these
by Sandipan chakraborty on Feb 27, 2008 11:47 AM Permalink
Yeah Bhai..i agree with u..but instead of killing them i would preffer them to be given psychological treatment of the Brain first..give them a chance to be normal..evey one is God's child..i really feel pity for them, life must be difficult for them...it's all due to the super-satanic evil influence of the West and United states.
RE:RE:these
by on Feb 27, 2008 08:45 PM Permalink
The "super satanic influence of the West" is in the Indian Penal Code Sec 377 criminalizing same sex behavior and the scar it left in the Indian psyche, including yours. Prior to that, India had no laws against gay people. Read the Kama Sutra, go to Khajuraho and see for yourself -- gay sex is treated without any judgment or condemnation. It is as natural as being left-handed.
