RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by ZH on Feb 22, 2008 09:44 PM Permalink
My dear Brother "Secret". Its good that you knwo the Quran. Please make a note of these things when you qoute from Quran. Read or Place the complete Verse and not the parts of verses. The Compelte verse is this: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." 8:12
Now YOu can undesrstand it better. Allah said this to the angles. This was not instruction to Muslims at the Venue. It was Venue of Battle of Badr where 319 Muslims were fighting 1000 strong enemy's army. 319 people even did'nt had proper amunation with them. Allah Sent 1000 Angels for help(Verse 8:09) . The verse you qouted was what Allah said to the Angles.
So Read the Verses before and After the qouted verse. Then Come to Conclusion. Wish you good luck
RE:RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by Prabhu on Feb 23, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
Pls tell me what s that gift of 72 virgins. Is heaven full of flesh pleasure? Pls reply abt Jihad as well. Will you accept death when killed by jihadis?
RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by salim on Feb 22, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
In the battelfield when Muslims are fighting against a treachourous enemey , what kind of a revelation should come from GOD? Are you expecting a verse like Kiss the unbelivers..Hug them...bow before them..express your love... If you cite a verse outof context this is what it will lead you.. For example, without context all Muslims hould have killed the rest of the unbelivers that day itself or they themselves should have got killed when doing so..is in it. the fact this doesnt happen itself tells you, you are gravely wrong
RE:RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
firstly Quran was NOT revealed to Prophet in a war. Assuming you are right, it applies only to war-time. Today mis-guided muslims like Osama are waging war to justify a diktat..! this is the logical fallacy here....
infact muslims did precisely that...why does Quran talk about nijas..??
assume i'm quoting out of contxt...today growing number of muslims are applying this out of contxt anwaging a holy war...!!!!
RE:RE:RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by salim on Feb 22, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
The gangs that you are talkimg about are minuscle minority of 1.3 billion muslims.. Ok , now ask those use these versers to further their radical idead not 1.3 billion muslims
RE:RE:RE:RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
but just imagine NOT a whimper of protest from the remaining Majority of 1.3 billion muslims and the minorty has been on a rampage...
this is becasue God-fearing, Quran abiding muslims, good muslims at some level are influenced to think it is as per God's decree. Pls understand brother, I can talk to the Minority only through you...!!
I have been a fundamentalist too and the shift to moderation is both painful and difficult. but it has to be done...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by royce cheereth on Feb 22, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink
Fools stop fighting in the name of religion. We all have forgotten the basic concept of humanity. Respect every religion and be dedicated to your own but don't compare ! Drill that into you heads, morons !
RE:RE:RE:RE:Stop vomiting your ignorance of Islam
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 08:33 PM Permalink
Royce... you idiot...who is fighting here..?? we are having a constructive discusion here. what is the basic concept of humanity...which religions are being compared...have escaped a mental hospital or what
Its unfortunate, but the ground reality in Pakistan is that Democracy will hardly thrive there. With this co-alition of contradictions Zardari and Sharif have only erected a castle of cards waiting to be blown away. Pakistan like the rest of the Islamic world should grow out of the shackles of militant islam. The hypocritical dual life - one inside the house and the other under the eagles eye of fundamentalists is the clear and present danger of every islamic country. Pakistans fight for independence from islam is the first step. Unless this is done, their own hypocrisy is going to ruin them
RE:the next general
by VSR on Feb 22, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
Talking about Islamic countries, well here are examples: Afganistan - Taliban has ravaged this country left nothing to prosper Pakistan - Ruled by dictators and militants. No Prime Minister completed their full term. Iran - They curtalaied everyone, even a child. Ayatollah Khomeni ordered killing of 12 children below 14 who have critizised his unruly behaviour Iraq - Always factional feuds and war between Sunni and Shias, never ending story of turmoil. Syria - The nuclear bomb in the making with lots of terrorists hiding there Saudi Arabia - One rule, one word. whatever the Abdullah family says, it is a law. Woman cannot even buy their under garments without men accompanying them for shopping.
And you say tolerance and peace at Islamic countries.
RE:the next general
by salim on Feb 22, 2008 07:54 PM Permalink
Iraq - Always factional feuds and war between Sunni and Shias-This tells you that you belive the country called IRA came into birth after US occupation. By thw ay do you know who props up the dictators in these countries?? What do you think is the provocation behind terrorist groups like Alaeda??do you think they love these countries syria,saudi..?
RE:the next general
by Atul Narayan on Feb 22, 2008 09:33 PM Permalink
Mohd Musaib - very well said...if Pakistan would have decided during its independence to be relieved from the shackles of maulvis, mullahs and fundamentalists...they would have been a prosperous nation...and a friend of India. But, they kept themselves busy with anti India rhetoric and always conspiring to destroy/divide India...you reap what you sow...the seeds of terrorism and talibanisation are sown by the Pakistanis...first they vomited poison on Hindu and Sikh minorities...now the minorities are almost exterminated in Pakistan, they need new enemies within...
RE:balord ki ammi ka tanna
by balaord on Feb 22, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
Your crude annotations wont deter me, by the way if want to abuse go ahead and abuse either in english or french.
RE:Two time pulitzer winning Newyork historian's ground breaking book on How Islam shaped Europe
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
IF all of this is true as per Al'Quran it makes all the rulers Kafirs...no one is trying to say Muslims are bad....but Islam makes them mis-guided and advocates bigotary...
allow me to quote: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah 3:28,
In verse 8:65, Allah tells his prophet:
%u201CO Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.%u201D
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them 8:12
RE:RE:Two time pulitzer winning Newyork historian's ground breaking book on How Islam shaped Europe
by salim on Feb 22, 2008 07:45 PM Permalink
In the battelfield when Muslims are fighting against a treachourous enemey , what kind of a revelation should come from GOD? Are you expecting a verse like Kiss the unbelivers..Hug them...bow before them..express your love... If you cite a verse outof context this is what it will lead you.. For example, without context all Muslims hould have killed the rest of the unbelivers that day itself or they themselves should have got killed when doing so..is in it. the fact this doesnt happen itself tells you, you are gravely wrong
RE:Two time pulitzer winning Newyork historian's ground breaking book on How Islam shaped Europe
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 07:52 PM Permalink
IF the GOD is sensible enough and has the over-bearing power on his creation he should stop the war NOT promote more killings..!!
Salim, pls understnad my idea is NOT to hurt your sentiments. it is difficult to dismiss what you have held as a core beleif, but i urge you to think as a human not as a Muslim alone.
RE:Two time pulitzer winning Newyork historian's ground breaking book on How Islam shaped Europe
by salim on Feb 22, 2008 07:56 PM Permalink
My muslim belife is what makes me tolerant ,kind and considerate to my neighbours,colleges and my friends. I reueest you learn Islam from a Muslim not from hate websites
RE:Two time pulitzer winning Newyork historian's ground breaking book on How Islam shaped Europe
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 08:00 PM Permalink
Salim...pls understnad, you are tolerant because you are that way. but tolerance is unacceptable in Islam. It talks about nijjas and kafirs. we have to fight these wrong ideals...becasue for every 1 person like you there are millions who take those wrond ideals prescribed in Islam...
RE:Two time pulitzer winning Newyork historian's ground breaking book on How Islam shaped Europe
by Ramamurthy B.G. Shastry on Feb 22, 2008 08:50 PM Permalink
Salim,
Nice to listen to your arguments based on Islam. Let us go a step further back and see the life on earth from a logical perspective.
Now we are here in the year 2008 100 years back 1908 neither of us were there, still people were around. 1000 years back 908 far less people were there, Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Parsi all isms were there. 10000 years back No %u201Cisms%u201D but people were there, may be a couple of crores and the rest were trees and animals. A million years back may be humans were trying to just walk on two legs and the rest was just the nature. A billion years ago no humans only the nature and animals. And a zillion years before may be the not even the trees existed. And before long not even our earth.
1000 %u2013 2000 years is too small a time in the evolution of nature to fight about belivers and non-believers and who%u2019s god is great. Most of those concepts were relevant at the medieval period when there was no instant communication, no modern education, no government, no security from variety of threats including decease, famine, animals and fellow humans.
Now with all the information and knowledge available to each and everyone who wants it it is time we the human race grow up to understand and evolve new way of life to lay the foundation for the next million years of celebration of life on earth rather than fight on petty issues and kill each other and create terror.
RE:RE:Eradication of Militant Islam is the only hope for Muslims
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 07:17 PM Permalink
balaord i know enough to expose the hypocirsy in islam. don't get carried away by the stories.
If you say Muslim rulers were tolerant in Spain then you are saying that they didn't obey Kuran..
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Q 3:85,
if some muslim dis-obeyed this I salute him for his humanity
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Eradication of Militant Islam is the only hope for Muslims
by secret on Feb 22, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
Now how ridiculous can you get. we are not talking about absolutes here. God and religion are articles of faith and therefore left for indvidual interpretation. Any ideology that states that it is beyond validation and anything other than that is invlaid and heretic is not only fundamenatally foolish but banal. Islam is no differnt from Racisim or Apparthide..it gloats in a false sense of supremacy without any basis and only imprisons the followers without lobeating them.
Just as India is defacto ruled by an Italian, Pakistan is ruled by a 7th century ideology. So irrespective of who comes...pakistan's real challenge with Islam remains intact..
RE:RE:Fundamentalists are the real rulers
by Gautam Dasaka on Feb 22, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
I did not write an article like that yet. But if I write, it will be like this:
Islam saved the world from art and science. It also saved the world from Kindness, and love.
The Al' Ul' Iltut' Akrahim rulers of the 10th century were very tolarent and never hurt a soul with out reason. The only problem was, every soul in the country they conquered barbarouly was Kind. So they had to kill almost all. Just like they wiped out a population in Kashmir.
After a very long time pakistan come back on the way of democraticy. It's a good sigh for pakishan and us but the fear is that in last 60 year pakistan army play a dominat role so now this is right time for conroling amry and eleminited the power of Army officer for safty of democratety
