U are right about J&K but iit situation is like these after so many years is because hindus and don't blame congress. Hindus never trusted that muslim wanted to be part of a secular india which has been in exitence since the akbar's time. So when the hindu king of J&K was ready to sold J&k for some terms and condition the hindus agreed. THe condition of signing the doc might have been legal at that time and since war broke of immediately it was left like that no one bother. Being a muslim my question is why the status quo was not removed when hyderabad which was under nizam's rule was taken from him under threat. Why was jand k was let out. Shivaji is indian but do u know who was the commanderin chief of shivaji's force a muslim. though RSS will hate to accept it. I agree with what shivaji doesn being a muslim because if the king is not good u have to fight so did he did what his motherland wanted and so did the muslim commander did what was expected from his mother land. HAd RSS and other hindus agreed to accept muslims as india congress wouldn't have got enough opportunity to retard the growth of india. And true to be Indian India did very well under non-gandhi congress rule. IT did well both during NArsimha roa and now under manmohan singh. India would have progress only if the leaders and organization like urs have not divided the people. U divided it into hindus and muslim congress further divided it into caste and religion and now u leader are dividing it
RE:Certain point were right
by Supersecualirist on Feb 15, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
You mean to say that Muslim majority Pakistan and Bangladesh are treating all its citizens equally? What was the percentage of non-muslims there at the time of partition and what is it now? What was the immediate reaction of the people in Pakistan and the erstwhile East Bengal towards the minority when they got separate nation? Don't try to be clever.
IN INDIA THE PEOPLE R THESELF TOO CONCIOUS AND AWARE OF CASTE,RELIGION,REGION.
THEY DONT GIVE MUCH IMPORTANCE TO BEING INDIAN EXCEPT IN CASE OF WAR.
THUS A NON ENTITY LIKE RAJ THAKREY WITH LESS THAN 5000 SUPPORTER HELD ENTIRE MAHARASHTRA TO RANSOM A STATE WITH 10 CRORE POPULATION.
SAME WAS CONGRESS-COMMIES R INFAMING MUSLIMS/CHRISTIAN AND BJP-SS IS INFLAMING HINDUS.
NO ONE WANTS INDIA FOR INDIANS BCOZ IT MAKES NO SENSE FROM POINT OF VIEW OF ELECTIONS.
INDIA IS A DISUNITED COUNTRY AND WILL STAY THIS WAY.
THERE IS NO UNIFORM CIVIL CODE,NOTHING WHICH UNITES US.
AND THESE SEEMS TO BE NO END TO THIS PROBLEM,IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE INDIA UNITED THEY R TERMED FASCIST AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DIVIDE COUNTRY [ LIKE CONGRESS-COMMIES ] THEY R TERMED SECULAR.
THE WORST PART IS NO POLITICAL PARTY IS DEMOCRATIC.
CONGRESS-COMMIES-BJP-SS-SP-BSP ETC THEY HV NO INTERNAL DEMOCRACY.
LOOK AT USA ELECTIONS EVEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HV INTERNAL ELECTIONS.
BUT HERE CONGRESS IS THE KINGDOM OF GANDHIA,BJP OF ADVANI,SS OF THAKREY,SP OF MULLA MULAYAM SINGH AND BSP OF MAYAWATI ETC.
SO WHEN NO INTERNAL DEMOCRACY EXISTS IN THE PARTIES IT REFLETCS ON THE POPULATION ALSO.
IF THIS CONTINUES SOON INDIA WILL BE BROKEN UP BY JIHAIDS AND NAXALS.
does Tarun Vijay look at Indian identity as being interchangeable with being a Hindu or does he, like all others in his RSS ilk think christians, muslims , jews etc are not Indian enough.
Raj is doing what Congress and BJP have been doing all along in the past - dividing people on the basis of caste and religion. At least Raj is talking of only Marathis - of all castes and religions. And many of the issues he has raised has struck a cord with regular Bombayites - sick of having their streets dirtied by unwashed people and criminals roaming the street.
Raj has been playing a dangerous game and it is likely his political career is more or less over...which can be revived only if he joins the real Sena or he is posturing for life after Balasaheb.
A really good article about National Integration on Rediff after a long time, Hats off to Tarun who touched this topic without giving a relious flavour
RE:Great Article
by Sumting Wong on Feb 15, 2008 03:45 PM Permalink
raj, either you did not read the article properly or you dont understand english....re-read it bro...
Thanks Tarun. you have highlighted the North East problems at the core but no one bothers!! No One bothers !! I suffered a lot from north east Violence and strongly believe by the step motherly attitude of the Indian Govt that North Esat should never been a part of India. I and many like me from NE will consider the rest of idia as mainland and North east as a diff part. But believe me if needed we can lay down our lives for India. But alas the poeple, the Govt have a step motherly attitude towards NOrth East ... the main land Indian people will call them girls from North east -- isnt it racism ... it was rightly shown in CHAK DE....
My heart Reels with the pain of being and indian and suffered being indian but never been got the priviledge of a citizen of india. why noone care for north east!! arunachal pradesh - a newspaper will reach there after two days... if you require a good book u have to go to guwahati or calcutta - whats the infrastructure........... evryyear it will get disconnected with the mainland ..during rains... how many colleges does north east have w.r.t per 1000 students ???? Govt does nothing .... earlier till BJP govt came we used to land in those airports where it will be barricated by TINs and Haw huts!! yyeah this was an airport.... Govt of india never considered NE as its own part .... except for the BJP goverment....
RE:Thanks
by Cutlet Gravy on Feb 15, 2008 07:08 PM Permalink
You are absolutely right. All governments need to give special importance to the neglected people of our seven sisters.
That is of utmost urgency. The rest of India can take care itself if we have better quality of netas.
The RSS could have influenced the govt to improve the situation when BJP was in power. But as all Indians did not vote for the BJP we waddled with Vajpayee and his 17 crutches.
But the fact is all Hindus (by that I mean Hindis or Indians) will never vote unitedly now.
Even discussions here divide us Indians into North and South, East and West.
FOR US TO HAVE A UNITED INDIA THE REGIONAL POLI-TICKERS MUST BE CONTROLLED.
Because UPites and Biharis (all clubbed together as Biharis) in Assam worked hard, ISI sponsored ULFA started killing them, so they fled (to Mumbai) and Bangladeshis have filled the void in the East.
Every one knows this but I am just reminding them that at that time Maulana Mulayam Singh and Lalu Prasad Yadav, both messiahs of UP and Bihar, respectively, were mum. Because if they opened their mouths, they would lose their Muslim votes.
Now they speak with all orifices wide open !
Now Hindus are fighting Hindus in Mumbai and HINDIS are the victims. Soon you may see the Marathi OBCs and Hindu & Muslim Poonabias of Maharashtra on one side against the Savarna Marathi forward class that the Thackeray kids belong to.
A divided Mahaashtra will shatter our dreams to stay a United India.
Really this is good step for public awareness. I think all the media and peoples, who are ready to give their time and energy for our national integrity should speak against these things. I will like appeal to People of Mumbai to not make hero to those people who are responsible for these anti social activities. Our such politicians think we people are stupid and we will in favour of their such activities as well. People of Mumbai should go against them.
I think Tarun has hit the nail on the head! How true what all he has said. Next movement in the country must be to unify all those who live in India to think themselves first as Indians. This may never happen!
150 years ago we lost the so called Mutiny of 1857 due to some kind of regionalism it was not the kind of regionalism that is conscious but it was regionalism. There was no problem of communalism back then. Due to communalism India was divided into two. I beg with folded hands never ever encourage even conversation about regionalism in even casaul conversation.Regionalism is very dangerous and even an idiot can see that all Indians have something Indian in them which differentiates them from others. though of course people all over the world are creation of one God but at least we can do something about Mother India.
"So like the Haj subsidy, Andhra's Christian chief minister has announced subsidies for Christians going to Israel for pilgrimage. He hasn't uttered a word about Kailas Manasarovar pilgrims who go to Tibet for pilgrimage. " Does anyone know to which chief minister of AP the author is referring here ?
RE:refering to .. ?
by Ch Mahender Reddy on Feb 15, 2008 03:22 PM Permalink
ya..he is a converted Christian... so, Sonia impressed with him and thrown away all the senior leaders and made him CM.
RE:refering to .. ?
by cracy on Feb 15, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
THe haj subsidy is very abuse term the subside is like the travel cost for airline which is not much plus the subsidy also include cheap stay at macca from where u have to walk 10 km. So actually see govt. doesn't give anything for free. That;s why a lot of people are now going through private player the cost initially look more than govt. but it includes food bill also and the stay is much nearer than want govt. provides. ITs one of those soap declare at full throatal for muslim which has no use for anyone including muslims themself. hope they stop that and give us a descent school near our resident so that the kids can get education
