We can describe our greatest religion hinduism in 2 line only.
Do good you will get good result else you will get bad result. Do your work by your heart dont expect immediate fruit, I will give u reward for it more than your expectation.
Can any single religion on this universe compete with simple message of hinduism. They are simple but solid and truth.
Islam like every other religion has to evolve.. Main problems are: 1. Total absence of enquiry and rational enquiry of what Quran says. Its like IF you think anything against what i said, you are a kafir...here take a fatwa.. "O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Quran. 5:101-102)
2. Institutionalized hate in the name of Jihad. Might have been relevant in 9th century can't rationalise how but..!!! "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." Qur'an 9:29
3. Instituionalized victimization of women: Qur'an 4:11 and 2:282 declare that a woman is only half the worth of a man in terms of witness and inheritance
Muslim borthers please think rationaly...the whole world once thought world was flat and we all called the guy who said differently was wrong..!! but now we know better...
don't accept any doctrine from any religion or leader without thouroughly analyzing it. It applies to what i have written here as well.
let's all evolve as humans that's what we are..!! nothing more nothing less..!!
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Quoting out of context is not going to help anybody Quran says its an obligation upon all muslims to gain knowledge ,study the universe and take lessons from it ,for its a proof of gods greatness verse no 1 which you are talking abt was sent people 1400 yrs ago asked abt the creation of universe (although big bang theory is fully explained in quran) but try explaning it to people 1400 yrs ago verse no 2 starts with fight those who fight you and dont cross your limits coz god does not like those who cross limits (you have forgotten (ofcourse intentionally ) to add it and it was revealed when non muslims of makkah broke a treaty and attacked muslims
the 3 verse say woman is only half the worth of a man in terms of witness and inheritance and it also says its the duty of man to earn ,not womens whatever man earn there women have a equal right on it but whatever women earn men have no right on it
IF U HONESTLY WANT TO ANALYZE THINGS ,YOU CAN CHECK OUT PEACE TV OR ELSE GO TO IRF.COM
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Sarath Chandra on Feb 14, 2008 06:59 PM Permalink
A very well analyzed, balanced, and intelligent appeal. But I am not sure it will be heeded at least in the short term. But we can keep trying. Best of luck.
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
Dont take any verse out of context to suit your argument. Islam stands for peace and universal brotherhood all religions are respected and all indvidual should get his full rights.
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
naqvi brother do you then condemn Jihad, concept of Dhimmi,Kafir and Prophet's consummation of mariage with aiysha when she was all of 9...?
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Supersecualirist on Feb 15, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
Why all the Mullahs in India made a big hue and cry when the Calcutta Koran Case was taken up by the Calcutta Court and whey they forced the Central and State Governments to dismiss the petition without any grounds.
RE:RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Confused Mind on Feb 14, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
The status of women in Muslim countries is well-known; so they can as well stop their lie-factory. Based on their mental evaluation, my club, has decided to offer them honorary life membership to the most elite group which we call - "Losers United". But they have the choice not to accept it as we get stiff competition from many cartoon grps like theirs who protest against cartoons. But we are the flag bearers of mediocrity & madness, murder & mayhem, misguidance & darkness for millions here. Please join - "Confused Losers Club".
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
No killings of innocents are allowed or propogated by any religion. All those who use religion be it Hindus , Muslims or Chritians to harm any other innocent are working against there religion.
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Mr. naqvi, why are you bluffing? Your Koran calls for killing all "Kafirs" Should I quote the relevant verse????????
RE:RE:RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
Since you are confused but still i will answer you ,i was wondering if women are better in muslim world coz there they are given all the respect , taken care of are looked upon as mothers , sisters , daughters ,wives as human beings not like west where they are only pieces of flesh good only for sex thats why they must not wear clothes ,and they are not good enough if they dont have perfect figures and they are put on full display in the name of fashion shows
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Mr.naqvi, these kafirs are jealous of the jihadis going to the "Paradise" Once they realize what all have been kept in the Paradise by the "most merciful Allah", they also would not hesitate to blow themselves up "in the cause of Allah" !!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
Many of the Islam experts (???) here vomit the same rubbish written in hate websites by authors who claim to be experts. One such Moronic author is AliSina - This guy gives has put up a open challenge to Muslims to debate him-The fact is he refused to have face to face debate in any place on earth citing the threat to his life.After this muslim scholors have agreed to have pure voice debate and where he can remain completely anonymous.He still refused.
How come,Poor Muslims who cannot shout down his website which is running for years can detect him through his voice debate??
The real fact for Alisina refusing the debate is - He neither belives in his own truth(???) nor the courage to say it(even through PURE,PURE voice debate) Anyway - Here is one of Islamic sites that exposes this liar and also has plenty of email debates.Ali sina too hosts these debates but check both the versions and see the truth for yourself
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
Salim...we as Netizens have access to as much information as you dobut....but this discussion will NOT evolve to the next level unless you get down from the high-horse and start to see things rationally...i'm NOT saying ISLAM is the ONLY religion that needs to evolve...every religion including mine has to now and in the future as well...
no one is deriving a sadistic pleasure here...we are just analysing
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by Sarath Chandra on Feb 14, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
The apostasy and dhimmi laws take away all rights to even question the authenticity of Quran/Muhammad. Around 10 countries have death sentences for apostasy and around 30 countries have people killed for apostasy even by civilians in Islam in the last decade. First, get the permission to enquire rationally into Islam with nobody threatening to kill you, then you can practically think of "thinking about it".
RE:Islam needs to eveolve..
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
People lime Mr. naqvi do not even understand that if the Mullahs believed in all those rewards in the "Islamic Paradise", they themselvles would have become suicide bombers rather than brain-washing the innocent young boys!!!!!!!!!!! So it is very clear that the mullahs do not believe in the Paradise or rewards awaiting them there!!!!!!!!!!!
6 Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.
For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore . India now has more than 3 dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire).
The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani's father, left his 2 sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October, 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian Rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US $63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion).
Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplo group. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124). We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and Pakinstanis don't?
The 7th floor is for car servicing and maintenance. The 8th floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there's a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. 2 floors are reserved for Ambani family's guests. 4 floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea . On top of everything are 3 helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.
In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 25 countries. In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanistan . Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan ? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi .
Imagine, 12% of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38% of doctors in America are Indian; 36% of NASA scientists are Indians; 34% of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28% of IBM employees are Indians.
For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90% of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham. Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard's E-speak project. 4 out of 10 Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and
RE:Muslim Turkey is more Secular
by Supersecualirist on Feb 14, 2008 06:51 PM Permalink
Muslim Majority Turkey became muslim nation after killing millions of Armenian Christians and driving away the rest. Few Christians living there are living in fear. However, the army controlled regime pretends to be secular to become a member of EU.
As far as Malaysia is concerned, it is now very much a talibanised nation.
RE:Muslim Turkey is more Secular
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
Wrong comment both the countries are thriving economies which are not in casteism or religionism as in India. Minority rights are well protected unlike India. Indians need to follow there model and all of us without any discrimination should work hard for our own and our country betterment.
RE:Muslim Turkey is more Secular
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:08 PM Permalink
Mr.naqvi, the mad mullahs in Malaysia even do not spare the dead bodies. Recently there was new about a woman of Indian origin harrassed on the death of her husband. While the authorties cliamed that he was a converted Muslim, the wife claimed that he had not converted. The authorities did not even allow the woman to give witness in the court saying that a kafir cannot give witness in the matter of a Muslim!!!!!!!!!!! What a great nation Malaysia is!!!!And ofcourse the last PM of Malaysia was ousted on corruption charges!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Muslim Turkey is more Secular
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 08:04 PM Permalink
Wonder why they didnot did the same thing in india after all india was ruled by muslims for 500 yrs
A must read article by a Pakistani journalist about India
by Kaushik on Feb 14, 2008 06:47 PM Permalink | Hide replies
An Article By A Pakistani Journalist About India:-
Here's what is happening in India :
The 2 Ambani brothers can buy 100% of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The 4 richest Indians are now richer than the 40 richest Chinese.
In November, Bombay Stock Exchange's benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani's Reliance Industries became a $100 billion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48% of Reliance.
In November, comes Neeta's birthday. Neeta turned 44 three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday present: a $60 million jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani's wife, and Mukesh is not India 's richest but the 2nd richest.
Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean ). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 m tall Mukesh's new family residence, for a family of 6, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first 6 floors are rese
ANYONE DISCRIMINATING AND FIGHTING IN THE NAME OF CASTE IS A ILLITERATE. ALL THEIR EDUCATION DOESNT MATTER. WE JUST HAVE TO RESTORE OUR PRIDE. LETS NOT CARRIED AWAY BY POLITICS OR ANY POLITICIAN. BEWARE INDIANS!!! WE NEED TO BE UNITED.
Malaysia has got a minority Hindus. But never has "Gujurat" happened to them. Indian Muslims are more tolerant and are taking the brunt of terrorism from every quarter, More Indian muslims are killed by act of terrorism which are preventable.
RE:We should emulate Malaysia
by ramchandra murthy on Feb 14, 2008 06:44 PM Permalink
NAQVI ARE YOU REPORTING FOR AFHAGHANISTAN THIS WEEK OR SOMETHIG LIKE THAT. wHAT ARE YOU TALING ABOUT . CONFUSED ???
RE:We should emulate Malaysia
by Rationalist on Feb 14, 2008 06:44 PM Permalink
lol, lot & lot of difference which you are overlooking to justify killings by Islam. What happened in Gujrath is incedental & in past 8 yrs not repeated.Whereas Islamic killings is chronical neverending until Islam is uprooted.Osama had once clearly appealed people of US to get converted to Islam or get killed. So do'nt display your stupidity in fascination of unseen heaven,hell & 72 virigns. I'm sure the rate at which Jihadi's are queeing up to heaven there are no virgins left.
RE:We should emulate Malaysia
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 06:51 PM Permalink
Apart from Malaysia, Muslim majority Turkey is more secular than India. Lives and property of its minorities are protected unlike India.
RE:We should emulate Malaysia
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 06:43 PM Permalink
DO YOU EVEN READ NEWS ARE WATHC TV...IT IS ISLAM THAT TELLS ITS FOLLOWERS TO CONSIDER NON-MUSLIMS AS DHIMMIS...do you even know what minoritiy Hindus are going thro in Malaysia in the name of senseless sharia..!!
you are lucky to be a Muslim an to be in India. remember you loose what you don't respect or value..!!
RE:We should emulate Malaysia
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
AND YOU ARE LUCKY THAT MUSLIMS WERE NOT OF YOUR MENTALITY WHEN THEY RULED INDIA FOR 500 YEARS OR ELSE U WOULD NOT BE A MAJORITY IN INDIA
RE:We should emulate Malaysia
by Bharat Engineer on Feb 14, 2008 06:42 PM Permalink
You don't need to go till Malaysia. Check Kashmir, check Hyderabad old city... Check Bangladesh (Read Lajja written by Taslima Nasreen)
RE:We should emulate Malaysia
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 06:45 PM Permalink
Indian Mulsims have shown restrained and have not collabrated with the enemies or it would have been a different picture. Hats off to Indian Mulsims for their tolerance and love to the country and countrymen.
