RE:@ Mr.naqvi by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 07:25 PM Islam is the religion of Peace and its the truth. Try to understand it to know about it. As far as Malaysia and Turkey are concerned as I said before both these places are Muslim majority states wherein minorities have never come across any such atrocities as are witnessed frequently in India.( Whole page wont suffice if I start naming it) All I say is we Indians should come out of fanatic politics of hate and start working for betterment of ourselves and our country. We should channelize our energy towards out country progress instead of destruction. Bye for now as I leave the net. Thanks to you all.
i have to say you delusion is going to lead you into further darkness... i just hope you know and you are doing this delibrately...callousness to human suffering because somebody is not your religion is a shame on humanity...i reject all God and Religion which teaches me this...!! mostly ISLAM>>!!!
RE:@naqvi
by mmspm on Feb 14, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
if u r not comfortable in India just get lost from India and go where ever u fit to be (probably in terrorist camps)
minorities r provided with more facilities and rights in India, just enjoy them and live shutting all ur dash dash. Else get lost from India
RE:@naqvi
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
The mad mullahs in Malaysia even do not spare the dead bodies. Recently there was new about a woman of Indian origin harrassed on the death of her husband. While the authorties cliamed that he was a converted Muslim, the wife claimed that he had not converted. The authorities did not even allow the woman to give witness in the court saying that a kafir cannot give witness in the matter of a Muslim!!!!!!!!!!! What a great nation Malaysia is!!!!And ofcourse the last PM of Malaysia was ousted on corruption charges!!!!!!!!!! Turkey was some what liberal due their proximity to Europe and the good work of the late Mustafa Kemal
ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS. To eradicate terrorism we have to give education to muslims ( not madrassa education ). All religions are man made only.
RE:Bomber
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:37 PM Permalink
It seems that now even that is futile. Many muslims with Engineering and Meical degrees are blowing themselves up for the rewards in "Islamic Paradise" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Bomber
by GRJ on Feb 14, 2008 08:26 PM Permalink
They get degrees on admission in the reservation quota........Quota wasted .....some really humanitarian would have become a professional in his place. Wasteful !!!
RE:@ salim
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
I am not saying we cant prove Quran or Islam Ofcourse we can All that I am saying we cant prove GOD as we prove theorems in science.. First tell mw what would make you belive in GOD? Once we define this testability we can proceed to debate..
RE:@ salim
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:26 PM Permalink
so you agree that GOD is an article of belief than of proof...in which case how logical it is to say there is only one god and he's ALLAH..??
all other non-believers in ALLAH are some kind of lesser mortals to be looted, raped and killed..??
RE:@ salim
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
Mr. salim, give answer to the specific question. Don't beat about the bush. The Koran was a concoction of Mohammed. Thats the end of the story.
RE:RE:@ salim
by GRJ on Feb 14, 2008 08:33 PM Permalink
If a suffering man can hear instructions to kill another God's creation ....then that God is not the real creator. A creator will not destroy his creation . Only an anti God can destroy. God's creation.
RE:RE:@ salim
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
I wonder how come a man 1400 yrs ago came up with a book so perfect scientifically and why does not he talk abt solar eclipse being caused by some devil eating sun as desc by hindu mythology
RE:RE:RE:@ salim
by GRJ on Feb 14, 2008 08:40 PM Permalink
A book perfect to his 5/6th century tribes of the desert lands. These tribes were killing each other and such book was needed to motivate the writers followers. No God can destroy his creation.
Plunder, loot, arson, rape were justified by not Gods....but fighting community to survive the onslaught. Religion was best guise to instill fear. But to make it effective or functional eye for eye tooth for tooth mechanism was found to be effective. .....matching the psyche of the warring tribes of Abrahams descendants !!!....of those days....in those deserts !!!
Brother against brother.....later on against the rest of Gods creation/ humanity as we call it......a satanic killer instinct to destroy what God created or HUMANITY !!!
The mad mullahs in Malaysia even do not spare the dead bodies. Recently there was new about a woman of Indian origin harrassed on the death of her husband. While the authorties cliamed that he was a converted Muslim, the wife claimed that he had not converted. The authorities did not even allow the woman to give witness in the court saying that a kafir cannot give witness in the matter of a Muslim!!!!!!!!!!! What a great nation Malaysia is!!!!And ofcourse the last PM of Malaysia was ousted on corruption charges!!!!!!!!!! Turkey was some what liberal due their proximity to Europe and the good work of the late Mustafa Kemal.
The proof of pudding is in earting. We all are seeing the activities of the followers of "the religion of peace" the word over, day in and day out. Still you people have no shame in proclaiming that "Islam is a religion of peace" etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
I am not saying we cant prove Quran or Islam Ofcourse we can All that I am saying we cant prove GOD as we prove theorems in science.. First tell mw what would make you belive in GOD? Once we define this testability we can proceed to debate..
RE:RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:26 PM Permalink
I do not believe in any god. The god/gods were created by vested interests to befool the gullible masses.
The so-called holy books are creations of surrealistic visionaries and are no more serious than Gulliver's Travels or Aesop's Fables or Mullah Nasiruddin Stories.
RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by naqvi on Feb 14, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
Islam is the religion of Peace and its the truth. Try to understand it to know about it. As far as Malaysia and Turkey are concerned as I said before both these places are Muslim majority states wherein minorities have never come across any such atrocities as are witnessed frequently in India.( Whole page wont suffice if I start naming it) All I say is we Indians should come out of fanatic politics of hate and start working for betterment of ourselves and our country. We should channelize our energy towards out country progress instead of destruction. Bye for now as I leave the net. Thanks to you all.
RE:RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>Islam is the religion of Peace and its the truth..............the proof of pudding is in eating. And what a great scenario of the followers of the religion of peace we have in front of us!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:20 PM Permalink
MR JGN - I dont know how much you are aware of certain principles in debate.. First tell me what is the testability for the proof for the existence of GOD?? Testability and Falsification test are essential in defining any debate. The existence of GOD doesnt exactly fit into this paradigm. We can deduce and concluse the existence, we cant GOD prove as we prove in Maths or science
RE:RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>First tell me what is the testability for the proof for the existence of GOD..............do you believe in the existence of any god???????????
RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:30 PM Permalink
How can we procced to debate if we dont know what is the Testability criteria for the success or failure of the debate.. Tell me first what would make you belive in the existence of a GOD?? Then let us check whether such a proof can be guven or not..?
RE:@ Mr.naqvi
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
so you agree that GOD is an article of belief than of proof...in which case how logical it is to say there is only one god and he's ALLAH..??
all other non-believers in ALLAH are some kind of lesser mortals to be looted, raped and killed..??
RE:Radical Islam been expose by sadaChiddi on Feb 14, 2008 06:35 PM The whole point of treating Mugahal rule as exclusive Hindu vs Muslim fight is a farce by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:19 AM | Hide replies
Many morons here dont have any standing on Indian history, thats why they color the Mugal rule as Hindu vs Muslim fight. The truth seems strange to many The Great Hindu King Rana Pratap's military general is a Muslim - Hakim Khan Suri The Great Maratha King - Shivaji's trusted Military general is -Haider Ali Kohari; Ibrahim Khan and Daulat Khan were prominent in the navy; and Siddi Ibrahim was chief of artillery.
the issue doesnt end here Aurangazeb relied on the Hindu King Raja Jai Singh to defaet Shivaji
This is how the Mughals and the Hindu kings lived.RSS and their sister organizations dont want you to know this,because their favourite pass time is to pit Hindus and Muslims citing Mughal rule in India
RE:RE:@JGN
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
I am not saying we cant prove Quran or Islam Ofcourse we can All that I am saying we cant prove GOD as we prove theorems in science.. First tell mw what would make you belive in GOD? Once we define this testability we can proceed to debate..
RE:@JGN
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
why is GOD shy to talk to me directly...why do we need a Messenger who tells me that i shouldn't question whatever verses he utters..?? even if they are illogical...
why no version upgrades..??
did any religious book tell us Computers can be used or Net is spiritual..?? pls try to come out of the islamic mentality and see objectively...
RE:@ Mr. Salim
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
JGN-You keep waiting for GOD to come to your house and plead you to make you belive. GOD will also drop a book from sky and show you that this is a holy book and GOD will call the man and identify that he is HIS prophet. Finally GOD will ask, JGN what the hell you were doing with the piece of flesh called brain..?if you want everything to show and hear and smell using your external organs just like animals devoid of reasoing would do..
RE:@ Mr. Salim
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:18 PM Permalink
MR JGN - I dont know how much you are aware of certain principles in debate.. First tell me what is the testability for the proof for the existence of GOD?? Testability and Falsification test are essential in defining any debate. The existence of GOD doesnt exactly fit into this paradigm. We can deduce and concluse the existence, we cant GOD prove as we prove in Maths or science..
RE:RE:@ Mr. Salim
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
I am not saying we cant prove Quran or Islam Ofcourse we can All that I am saying we cant prove GOD as we prove theorems in science.. First tell mw what would make you belive in GOD? Once we define this testability we can proceed to debate..
Many of the Islam experts (???) here vomit the same rubbish written in hate websites by authors who claim to be experts. One such Moronic author is AliSina - This guy gives has put up a open challenge to Muslims to debate him-The fact is he refused to have face to face debate in any place on earth citing the threat to his life.After this muslim scholors have agreed to have pure voice debate and where he can remain completely anonymous.He still refused.
How come,Poor Muslims who cannot shout down his website which is running for years can detect him through his voice debate??
The real fact for Alisina refusing the debate is - He neither belives in his own truth(???) nor the courage to say it(even through PURE,PURE voice debate) Anyway - Here is one of Islamic sites that exposes this liar and also has plenty of email debates.Ali sina too hosts these debates but check both the versions and see the truth for yourself
RE:Dont Vomit your ignorance of Islam
by super success on Feb 14, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
is it proper to brainwash innocent child and make him suicide bomber while there leader enjoy the money given by USA via mullah
RE:Dont Vomit your ignorance of Islam
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:09 PM Permalink
Mr.salim, I am ready to debate here itself. If there is one god, there can be many gods. Are you ready?????
RE:RE:Dont Vomit your ignorance of Islam
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
JGN-You keep waiting for GOD to come to your house and plead you to make you belive. GOD will also drop a book from sky and show you that this is a holy book and GOD will call the man and identify that he is HIS prophet. Finally GOD will ask, JGN what the hell you were doing with the piece of flesh called brain..?if you want everything to show and hear and smell using your external organs just like animals devoid of reasoing would do..
RE:Dont Vomit your ignorance of Islam
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
Dear Confused Mind and other friends, pl don't post any message here. I have challenged Mr. Salim. Let him come forward.
RE:RE:Dont Vomit your ignorance of Islam
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
MR JGN - I dont know how much you are aware of certain principles in debate.. First tell me what is the testability for the proof for the existence of GOD?? Testability and Falsification test are essential in defining any debate. The existence of GOD doesnt exactly fit into this paradigm. We can deduce and concluse the existence, we cant GOD prove as we prove in Maths or science
RE:Dont Vomit your ignorance of Islam
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
Salim...we as Netizens have access to as much information as you dobut....but this discussion will NOT evolve to the next level unless you get down from the high-horse and start to see things rationally...i'm NOT saying ISLAM is the ONLY religion that needs to evolve...every religion including mine has to now and in the future as well...
no one is deriving a sadistic pleasure here...we are just analysing
if the country like pakistan was not our neighbour than just imagine how much we would have progressed. because all our taxes goes in defence which is useless instead it can go in roads, better civic amenities etc
RE:pakistan
by super success on Feb 14, 2008 07:09 PM Permalink
tell me other than india which china's neighbour did not prosper like taiwan , japan korea or singapor tell me sadachiddi
