Two most important points need to borne in mind. First point: "...nuclear trade with India should explicitly prohibit the transfer of sensitive uranium enrichment, plutonium reprocessing, or heavy water production equipment of technology." So India's nuclear aparthied remains. Number two: "If the administration fails to support an NSG policy with the conditions established in the Hyde Act, other less constrained suppliers such as Russia [Images] and France [Images] will gain commercial advantage and undermine US non-proliferation objectives". Therefore no exemption from the Hyde ACT which is made to apply to India. In other words Agreement 123 in isolation may not be acceptable to many US senators and Reps. The panties are now dropped. India's nuclear reactors are now under IAEA inspection cover. Further as I understand uranuim needs to be burned for 3 years to get PU-239 for reactor grade fuel to generate electricity. should we wait for 3 years to step up power generation? If the restriction continues on technology transfer for unranium enrichment and Plutonium recycling (may be into MoX) where do we get PU-239 from? Russia, France? US doesnt like any commercial space given to these countries. We are in a bind. It looks like the BJP thinktank are honest and they undersatnd foreign policies in a professional format.
I have read the Hyde Act in full and nowhere is it written that India must stop future nuclear tests or give up military nuclear research. The Act is only limited to the civilian nuclear cooperation. What I think is objectionable to the commies is the clause that seeks to cap the production of fissile material not only by India and Pakistan, but also by China, but the act clearly states that this should be done at the earliest, and there is no time frame mentioned. India can get out of the deal any day if the US seeks to cap her military activities. Please read the Hyde Act for yourself by googling it. The deal will free up India's uranium reserves for military use- the commies know that this would make India more powerful militarily vis-a-vis China, and so do not want India to sign the deal and raise the false bogey of US hegemony. now with Russia offering a deal too, they seem to have backed out. Also the deal may offer India technology consistent with generation of power directly from thorium, bypassing the need of fast breeder reactors, which would immensely benefit the country economically. This is anathema to the commies.
RE:N-deal
by Green Earth on Feb 14, 2008 09:14 PM Permalink
I have read the Hyde Act too........... and remember, no where does it says how to react on the event of India going for another nuclear test. What is US simply cease providing further fuel for the the reactors in India and forces all the countries in the NSG to follow the same? We will end up spending millions to build nuclear reactors which will benefit countries like US and still live in a fear of being deprived of Nuclear fuel if we wanted to carry out any inevitable nuclear tests in future. Its completely stupid. I would say we must turn our back on this deal and concentrate on the developing nuclear reactors which uses Thorium as its fuel. India has a large deposit of Thorium. We can't rule in pride if we live in fear. So just shun the US for dominating or pressurizing us.
RE:N-deal
by Fried Yakov on Feb 14, 2008 09:55 PM Permalink
What prevents us from going on with our own research with thorium? If we treat the deal as only a temporary measure to get more nuclear energy for civilian purposes and free our meagure resources of uranium for military use, it would make perfect sense for India. Also the act states that the nuclear waste should not be returned to USA. That serves India well too- the nuclear waste can probably be used in fast breeder reactors in ways developed by Indian scientists to national benefit. Signing the deal will buy us time to develop and perfect our thorium use technologies, in event of a later clampdown by the US/NSG.
No need for this deal.Please depend on other sources like wind,solar. Through this deal you are inviting lot of heat and radiation to our country,that will affect lot of peoples health.The Govt. is there to protect Indians.Don't go deal with US,we indians will loose everything if in the case.They will take India back again. Remember there is no more Gandhijis to fight for us again.
i dont understand the objection to the deal on the grounds that we will have to dance to US tunes. once the agreement is signed, we can purchase fuel from anybody, Russia, France, UK even China so where is the 'stringent conditions' that would make us US stooges ?
RE:India-US nuclear deal
by Pat Thakur on Feb 14, 2008 04:47 PM Permalink
Dear, have you ever heard the saying, "Saap ko jitna chahe doodh pilao, kabhi na kabhi dasega hi"? Samazhdar ho, samazh jao; warna Bhagwan Malik.....
Shit like Bermin will see the money and change the stance. These are the typical US type "holy shit'
Anyway, he shud not talk about double standard In fact american society has migrated to n-standard where multiple wife,children, opinion is very commonplace.
Get some air Berman. Open u r gggggnnnnnaaarr..hawa ane de thoda
RE:hawa ane de
by sameer on Feb 14, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
there is no need for nuclear deal. people in UK are looking for wind and solar power not nuclear energy . India should use these means which they have in Plenty. THE BRITISH ARE NOT STUPID ARE THEY...
Guys hyde act is perpetual servitude, where r the commies now ? pulldown the conge if ur true to ur idealogy of communism than to oppurtunistic politics.
RE:guys....read hyde act
by Maharaj Malik on Feb 14, 2008 01:40 PM Permalink
Shit like Bermin will see the money and change the stance. These are the typical US type "holy shit'
Anyway, he shud not talk about double standard In fact american society has migrated to n-standard where multiple wife,children, opinion is very commonplace.
Get some air Berman. apna gggggnnnaaar khol..hawa ane de
RE:guys....read hyde act
by sameer on Feb 14, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
there is no need for nuclear deal. people in UK are looking for wind and solar power not nuclear energy . India should use these means which they have in Plenty. THE BRITISH ARE NOT STUPID ARE THEY...
RE:India will be ruled by US
by Nostra Damus on Feb 14, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
there are no best friends in int'l relations. Russia is flexing its muscles. the Indian leadership and its foreing policy mandarins and too stupid and greed for selfish gains to effect any changes to India's advantage. But they certainly can make changes internally to their advantage. See the decision to lay off jobs in government at the lower level but their number and posts keep increasing !
I always believe CPI(M) gives lot of perspectives in N-deal matters & it is in the interest of the country.
1) NSG exemption rules should ensure India to develop its strategic N-fuel reserve to supply for lifetime of reactors in case US is constrained due to its domestic laws. If US tries to confuse this with Hyde act, Govt should simply go with own R&D with private players.
2) Return clause says US will retrieve back all equipments they supplied in the event of N-Test & other critical national interests with 1 year notice period. Obviously, it will hurt US business interests as India will try to minimize US materials whereever possible. If NSG rules limit dealing of other countries like Hyde Act & then there is no sense to go ahead with N-Deal.
If NSG rules are of like Hyde Act, they closed all the door for India's energy security guarntee.
West shall maximum expect tight proliferation control on India; Anything beyond this, will have the potential of intrusion of Hyde Act/NSG rules inwhich India has to make careful thoughts.
RE:India should see NSG exemption rule
by sameer on Feb 14, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
there is no need for nuclear deal. people in UK are looking for wind and solar power not nuclear energy . India should use these means which they have in Plenty. THE BRITISH ARE NOT STUPID ARE THEY...
RE:India should see NSG exemption rule
by Mukund Chari on Feb 14, 2008 01:10 PM Permalink
I think there would be all types of clauses/pre-conditions in any treaty India signs. It is up to us to make the use of these clauses in India's best national interests. There are certain imperatives for the deal that just cannot be avoided: India needs cleaner energy if our growth is to be environmentally sustainable, and nuclear isolation is not helping us at all. Our reserves are thorium based, and neither have we been able to develop technology to exploite these reserves, nor do we have sufficient uranium reserves to exploit uranium power plants. Considering the above, and also the fact that companies in the US have been able to develop technologies for Thorium based power generation, it seems logical that we allow our companies to gain access to this technology and develop our own power plants based on this technology, successfully circumventing the "return of equipment" clause. Moreover, we would also free up our uranium reserves for our strategic offensive capabilities. Finally, by seeming to ally with US interests after signing the deal, we would also gain critical US support for other international issues, namely a permanent UN Security Council seat, as well as more listening on Pak sponsored terror. Finally, just for comparison, we should remember that China has agreed to much more stringent conditions on a similar treaty it has signed with the United States on nuclear cooperation, and has successfully maintained its nuclear sovereignity as well.
RE:India should see NSG exemption rule
by srinivasan sathya on Feb 14, 2008 01:43 PM Permalink
I agree in terms of India need. But China doesn't party to any Return Clause; Suddenly, If US asks India, pls give me all equipments & i will make compensation & worst is if NSG rules would be also same like Hyde Act or 123 Agreement in this aspect the concept of strategic fuel reserve is redundant as every country may get back parts of the reactors. Then environment will be surrounded with sleeping radio active leak.
India can live upto the standard of profileration concern; But when we need to conduct N-Test due to then prevailing security situation, Installed reactors should be guaranteed with lifetime support. There is initial understanding that incase of US was not able to meet due to domestic laws, India should have the option to contact other suppliers. If US congress men say NSG rules should be also consistent with Hyde Act & if we compromise this, Tarapur incident will be repeated.Do u see this scenario good for India? Instead, 1) India could better sign NPT as it is international agreement. 2) We should also involve our private players & concentrate on alternate energies. Best example telecom player; once BSNL shared its knowhow we have so many quality players AirTel, Tata, Reliance etc.
