RE:afzal's and Telgi's mothers: our sons are innocent
by Dhurandhar Bhatwadekar on Feb 07, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
Well said Savarkar ji. Not only such mothers say their sons are innocent, Vicky Nanjappa, Syed Firdaus Ashraf and Sheela Bhatt start projecting such goons as innocnets as well. Teesta Setalvads of the world take is a Public Interest Litigation. Ram Jethmalanis and Adhik Shirodkars of the world make brisk money by defending such culprits. Even if such culprits are convicted by court, President like Kalam does not have time to take a decision mercy petition of more than 40 people. We have become soooo tolerant that those convicted in Mumbai Blast muder case also appy for bail. They are sooo sure that nobody will even touch them. Politicians like Raj Thackarey and Amar Singh will keep fighting with themselves, insted of finishing the bastards.
If disgruntled against system why plan to bomb a temple ? Is this kill the KAFIRS syndrom that preaches of Islam feed you vurnerable brains True muslims should wage a JIHAD against these entities , if they have any respect for the Home land and the land where the eat.
its time the jehadis are dealt with firmly, rather than pussyfooting and looking the other way around. the hubli catch of terrorists was accidental. imgine, terrorists setting up terror camps inside india, that too right in the middle! this is comprehensive intelligence failure.
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by Porkistani on Feb 07, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
that is why it is fascing such a dilema in the modern world. Ha Ha Ha.
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:17 PM Permalink
CONCEPT OF GOD IN ISLAM by Dr. Zakir Naik
The Most Concise Definition of God: The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur%u2019an:
"Say: He is Allah, The One and Only. "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. "He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him." [Al-Qur%u2019an 112:1-4]
The word %u2018Assamad%u2019 is difficult to translate. It means %u2018absolute existence%u2019, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him.
The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur%u2019an:
"Say: He is Allah, The One and Only. "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. "He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him." [Al-Qur%u2019an 112:1-4]
The word %u2018Assamad%u2019 is difficult to translate. It means %u2018absolute existence%u2019, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him.
Surah Ikhlas - the touchstone of theology:
Surah Ikhlas (Chapter 112) of the Glorious Qur%u2019an, is the touchstone of theology. %u2018Theo%u2019 in Greek means God and %u2018logy
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by deep dar on Feb 07, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
Say: He is Allah, The One and Only...." Is this why people worshipping other Gods are targeted by Muslims???
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
Islam is a Semitic religion, which has over one billion adherents all over the world. Islam means "submission to the will of God". Muslims accept the Qur%u2019an, as the word of God revealed to His last and final prophet, Mohammed (peace be upon him). Islam states that Allah sent messengers and prophets throughout the ages with the message of Unity of God, and accountability in the Hereafter. Islam thus makes it an article of faith to believe in all the earlier prophets, starting with Adam, and continuing with Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, John and Jesus amongst many others (may peace be on them all).
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by vinay thakur on Feb 07, 2008 02:48 PM Permalink
And what about the Prophets before them?Hindu rishis and likes of Budhha and Jain.I think Islam beleives that God was not there at that time?History & Science says that actually followers of Islam & Christianity had not even evolved as Human beings that time..Please start thinking beyond what ur books say.
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
Major difference between Islam and most other religions
All religions basically exhort mankind to be righteous and eschew evil. But Islam goes beyond that. It guides us towards practical ways of achieving righteousness and eliminating evil from our individual and collective lives. Islam takes into account human nature and the complexities of human society. Islam is guidance from the Creator Himself. Therefore, Islam is also called the Deen-ul-Fitrah (the natural religion of Man).
2. Example - Islam commands us to shun robbery and also prescribes method of eleminating robbery
Islam prescribes method of eliminating robbery All major religions teach that theft is an evil act. Islam teaches the same. So what is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam, besides teaching that robbing is evil, shows a practical way of creating a social structure in which people will not rob.
Islam prescribes Zakaat Islam prescribes a system of Zakaat (obligatory annual charity). Islamic law prescribes that every person who has a saving that exceeds the nisaab level i.e. more than 85 grams of gold, should give 2.5% of that saving every lunar year in charity. If every rich person in the world gave Zakaat sincerely, poverty will be eradicated from this world. Not a single human being would die of hunger.
Chopping off the hands as punishment for robbery Islam prescribes chopping off the hands of the convicted robber. Th
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by on Feb 07, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Islam never taught to kill innocents, anyone killing innocents should be dealt with same terms. Please don't generalize everything. There are few sects in Islam who are fanatics these are basically from Saudi(the money spinner). There are others who are very moderates like Sufism , the one who brought Islam to India. Check the history of Sufism in India. The Saudi people are having easy money and to show there supremacy they are mind washing the poor illiterate Indian Muslims.
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by netinetineti on Feb 07, 2008 02:19 PM Permalink
islam is all talk no action. you talk peace but act voilence you talk methods but dont follow any you talk ways to eradicate poverty, but almost all islamic countries without OIL are poor. so there is a gap in preaching and implementation.... one conclusion could be that the teachings are not practical. shah rukh says he is a true muslim, but he smokes, drinks, makes money in a variety of ways, cavorts with women in screen...same with saif and salman... you seee..... there again,,, a gap between talk and action
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by wasim sayed on Feb 07, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
these guys our muslim for name sake and true muslim. they evil doing will go with them in after life.
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by Rajesh on Feb 07, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
Muslim log ch--ya hai kya? wo tho kahte kuch aur karte kuch aur hai mere bhai. Lekin time pe ajate hain Bhashan dene
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by winkingtiger on Feb 07, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
hmmm.. in India, what is the percentage of muslims actually following the religon "righteously" ??thats the problem... Its not the religion, its the followers of religion which creat probs...
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by Pappu Kangi on Feb 07, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
Would u like to apply this punishment to all Indian Muslims who committs crime?
80% muslim people's hands will get chopped off !!!
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by deep dar on Feb 07, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
you people say He is Allah, the One and Only... Is this why you Muslims kill non-Muslims???
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by Sangam eshwara on Feb 07, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
where 'LIVE AND LET LIVE' is not there. Then it will not be called religion...whatever it may be HINDU/CHRISTIANITY?MUSLIM etc
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.........given god's sanction...........
by netinetineti on Feb 07, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
it is not HINDU/CHRISTIANITY/MUSLIM but CHRISTIANITY/MUSLIM
RE:why muslims are so hot headed ?
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
Qur%u2019an permits Muslims to have non-vegetarian food
The Qur%u2019an, however permits a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food. The following Qur%u2019anic verses are proof of this fact:
"O ye who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named." [Al-Qur%u2019an 5:1]
"And cattle He has created for you (men): from them Ye derive warmth, and numerous benefits, And of their (meat) ye eat." [Al-Qur%u2019an 16:5]
"And in cattle (too) ye have an instructive example: From within their bodies We produce (milk) for you to drink; there are, in them, (besides), numerous (other) benefits for you; and of their (meat) ye eat." [Al-Qur%u2019an 23:21]
3. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein
Non-vegetarian food is a good source of excellent protein. It contains biologically complete protein i.e. all the 8 essential amino acid that are not synthesized by the body and should be supplied in the diet. Meat also contains iron, vitamin B1 and niacin
RE:why muslims are so hot headed ?
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
Hinduism was influenced by other religions
Though Hindu Scriptures permit its followers to have non-vegetarian food, many Hindus adopted the vegetarian system because they were influenced by other religions like Jainism.
8. Even plants have life
Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.
RE:why muslims are so hot headed ?
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
"Yudhishthira said, "O thou of great puissance, tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitiris (dead ancestors), become inexhaustible! What Havi, again, (if offered) lasts for all time? What, indeed, is that which (if presented) becomes eternal?"
"Bhishma said, "Listen to me, O Yudhishthira, what those Havis are which persons conversant with the rituals of the Shraddha (the ceremony of dead) regard as suitable in view of Shraddha and what the fruits are that attach to each. With sesame seeds and rice and barely and Masha and water and roots and fruits, if given at Shraddhas, the pitris, O king, remain gratified for the period of a month. With fishes offered at Shraddhas, the pitris remain gratified for a period of two months. With the mutton they remain gratified for three months and with the hare for four months, with the flesh of the goat for five months, with the bacon (meat of pig) for six months, and with the flesh of birds for seven. With venison obtained from those deer that are called Prishata, they remaingratified for eight months, and with that obtained from the Ruru for nine months, and with the meat of Gavaya for ten months, With the meat of the bufffalo their gratification lasts for eleven months. With beef presented at the Shraddha, their gratification, it is said , lasts for a full year. Payasa mixed with ghee is as much acceptable to the pitris as beef. With the meat of Vadhrinasa (a large bull) the gratification of pitris lasts for twelve y
RE:why muslims are so hot headed ?
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
Hindu scriptures give permission to have non-vegetarian food
There are many Hindus who are strictly vegetarian. They think it is against their religion to consume non-vegetarian food. But the true fact is that the Hindu scriptures permit a person to have meat. The scriptures mention Hindu sages and saints consuming non-vegetarian food.
It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."
Again next verse of Manu Smruti, that is, chapter 5 verse 31 says
"Eating meat is right for the sacrifice, this is traditionally known as a rule of the gods."
Further in Manu Smruti chapter 5 verse 39 and 40 says
"God himself created sacrificial animals for sacrifice, ...., therefore killing in a sacrifice is not killing."
Mahabharata Anushashan Parva chapter 88 narrates the discussion between Dharmaraj Yudhishthira and Pitamah Bhishma about what food one should offer to Pitris (ancestors) during the Shraddha (ceremony of dead) to keep them satisfied. Paragraph reads as follows:
"Yudhishthira said, "O thou of great puissance, tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitiris (dead ancestors), become inexhaustible! What Havi, again, (if offered) lasts for all time? What, indeed, is that which (if presented) becomes eternal?"
RE:why muslims are so hot headed ?
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
Dear Gumpy for you info: Vegetarianism%u2019 is now a movement the world over. Many even associate it with animal rights. Indeed, a large number of people consider the consumption of meat and other non-vegetarian products to be a violation of animal rights.
Islam enjoins mercy and compassion for all living creatures. At the same time Islam maintains that Allah has created the earth and its wondrous flora and fauna for the benefit of mankind. It is upto mankind to use every resource in this world judiciously, as a niyamat (Divine blessing) and amanat (trust) from Allah.
Let us look at various other aspects of this argument.
1. A Muslim can be a pure vegetarian
A Muslim can be a very good Muslim despite being a pure vegetarian. It is not compulsory for a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food.
RE:why muslims are so hot headed ?
by wajid ali on Feb 07, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.
5. Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?
only one solution for this war against hindu and muslim only one solution if they win they can rule our india otherwise they all go to pakistan because day by day these jihids increasing in india .
