Sheron Ke Sher Hinduon Ke Vidhaataa Haivaanon Ke Dushman Raamji Ke Mahaan Bhagat Babri Masjid Ke Kalnayak Raam Lala Mandir Ke Nirmaankartha Aathankwaadi Isaaiyon aur Musalmaanon Ke Kaalbhujang Hidustaan Ke Jaagruthi Sikhon aur Santon Ke Dost Pokhran Ke Visphot Naari aur Baalkiyon Ke Rakshak Somnath Se Ayodhya Tak Shivji Kaa Thaandav Nritya Raamchandraji Ke Neki Kishenji Ki Chathurai Loh Purush Bhaarat Ke Bhavishya Pradhaan Manthri Jai Ho..Aadvaniji..Aaap Kaa Jai Ho May our Mothers Bharata Mata and Bhavani bless you with Victory. Jaya Vijayee Bhava
Italian Mafia Congress Kaa Vinash Ho Pseudo Secularism Kaa Satyanaash Ho Nehruvian Secularism aur Kaandaani Rajneethi Kaa Sarvanaash Ho
What subject is written on Rediff & where the Hell have all the below post gone to. MUSLIMS,ISLAM,HINDUS,MOHAMMED,CHRISTIANS !!!!! Just chill GUYS.Let politicians live their lives.Do not attempt to read between the lines.From all this only more HATE will spread.
RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by hakeem on Feb 01, 2008 03:05 PM Permalink
Maulana Azads soul-stirring speech (1940) put it, I am a Muslim and proud of the fact. I am indispensable to this noble edifice. Without me this splendid structure of India is incomplete. Everything bears the stamp of our joint endeavour. Our languages were different, but we grew to use a common language. Our manners and customs were different, but they produced a new synthesis... no fantasy or artificial scheming to separate and divide can break this unity.
RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by spg on Feb 01, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Can you tell me where and when Vivekanad said this. Stop this Crap and boolshitting. Whole world knows what ISLAM is and what it has done to humanity. ISLAM is a bane to humanity.
RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by jk on Feb 01, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
@spg vivekananda did say what hakeem said. so go do some reading. Hakeem u hav read and read well congrats. But I dont agree Entirely to wht u said.
All of us Know the Single Most Resistance against Caste System was done by Gautam Buddha. The same Vivekananda, Ambedkar, Sitaram Goel and Other Eminent Historians said that " It is Islam which Destroyed the Religion of Buddha in India and wherever it went" Best example is the recent destruction of Bamiyan Buddha's and joy of Talibans in doing so.
Therefor even though conversion to Islam brought 'equality' to masses of India, it took away from them the culture, art and science . please look at the kind of lives Afghans and pashtuns are leading now and before when they were Buddhists.
Add in addition to all these the cross culture patriotism. A most sincere Muslim also respects adores Arabic culture bcoz its in his religion.
The result of which is the two nation theory and partition and massacres associated with it.
So all me to say Islam ig good and Not Best.
And there are Better Alternatives to combat caste inequalities.
RE:RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by hakeem on Feb 01, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
In a way Islam did because of the freshness that it provided to the downtrodden masses of those times it indeed did destroy those existing systems in those countries- Beacause people left those systems and embraced Islam.
If you study the history of buddhism you will find more bloody dynastys that supported buddhism as state religion that otherwise! Read the history of dynastys in China that patronaged Buddhism! Read why Bhuddhism came into existence--- Read The TANTRIK system of the Hindu Priest that exists till today in one form or other!
And above everything else The Prophet of Islam never said that He came with a New Religion- Quran Says that It is a REMINDER to people!----A REMINDER....He came to call people back to the TRUE religion of the Rehmaan- To remind people that their origins are one and that none of them is superior to the other based on color, caste aor nationality except by Piety (God Conciousness and Good Chracter).
Wa ma arsalnaka illa rahmata lil alameen: We have sent you not, but as a Mercy to the whole of Mankind. He was the seal of the prophets after which no prophet would rise among its people.
And Clintons Advisor on foreign Policy stated that There is no Religion Extant in the World today that has the Vibrancy to stop the course of American foreign policy but ISLAM! AND so begins the War on Terror aka War on Islam ;)
But they didnot know this:
PICKTHAL: Lo! those who disbelieve spend their wealth in order that they may debar (men)
RE:RE:RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by hakeem on Feb 01, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
PICKTHAL: Lo! those who disbelieve spend their wealth in order that they may debar (men) from the way of Allah. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be conquered
But Allah is Ar-Rehman, Most Gracious Most Merciful: Oft returning in Mercy to those who repent sincerely!
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by Abdulla Pathan on Feb 01, 2008 03:20 PM Permalink
Taliban is not Islam, it is madness of few fundamentalists who wants to earn money and power.
Islam has born against such fundamentalist.
Please see english movie based on formation of Islam. Name of Movie " The Message".
Islam is not religion per say. it is practice and act of human beings toward humanity.
Quran has praised to all prophets happen till Mohammad. It gives message of equality of all humankinds ( man, woman, child, animal, plants and every living things in universe).
I never seen any religion has been created to kill someone or to capture power.
RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by JGN on Feb 01, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
There is no conclusive evidence for the existence of any god. The so-called holy books are creations of surrealistic visionaries and are no more serious than Gulliver's Travels or Aesop's Fables. The Islamic Paradise existed only in the fertile imagination of Moahmmed (and the equivalent of Paradise of other religons existed in the imaginations of the likes of Mohammed of their respective religions).
There is no soul, no re-birth and absolutely no last judgement. Every thing ends here. So enjoy life on planet earth. Don't harm others in the name of non-existent gods and imaginary rewards in the "Paradise" here-after
RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by tech on Feb 01, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
Do you have any evidence to prove that there is no God? The very fact that every soul has an inclination to identify the somethin superior and attribute the creation to him is evidence enough that there is God. All those who say there is no God - listen to this clearly - if you at anytime are confronted with certain death, you will shriek out in despair and anxiety for help from the supreme creator who is one and only one and omniscient and omnipresent. Stop saying there is no God - there is no doubt that there is One Creator of this infinite universe and it is he who controls this by his will and to him we shall all go back after this life. There is simply too much evidence that God exists to refute his existence. There is such a 'churn' going on all around us that it is impossible to say that it is happening because of nothing. Can you imagine a book without an author, can you imagine a home without an owner, can you imagine a beautiful garden without a gardner. No way. Think again and again and again and you will reach the conclusion that there is a supreme God and he has no partners and it is only he who deserves to be praised and obeyed by one and all.
RE:Vivekananda's View on Islam
by JGN on Feb 01, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
If there can be one god, there can be serval gods also. There are many countries on planet earth, each with different rulers and different set of rules and regulation. The gods or their accredited agents many be waiting at the gates of heaven or hell (some sort of no-man's land) to catch hold of the souls and push them into the heaeven or hell !!!!!!! Why limit the creator to only one????
You always say that one should read The Koran in Arabic, we are quoting out of context, etc.
Do you know that the great Mogul Emperor, Akbar himself was disillusioned with Islam and had started his own religion called "Deen-e-ilahi" Akbar's mother was a persian woman and he had mastery over Arabic language. Do you want us to believe that Akbar was a dim-wit who could not understand the Koran and its meaning or context?
RE:A question to my muslim friends
by hakeem on Feb 01, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
Ideed Many Muslims didnot and donot understand what Islam is: They profess it only becoz they were born into it:
There are many Hindus who are disillusioned by Hinduism and leave it: Does it make Hindusim any lesser religion? Infact one of the Malabary King accepted Islam at the hands of the prophet and before that he was a Hindu- So what does it tell u? Faith is a matter of heart and different people have different understanding-
And for your kind information- Akbar was nit disillusioned with Islam- He was trying to synthesize Islam and other religions that he encountered into one Universal Truth- After all there are some universal truths and understanding that are common to all religions. However the truth that God is only one, rest all is falsehood.
I dont say this the vedas say: Those who worship sambhooti (created things) are in darkness.
The higher forms of hindu religion belives in an all pervading single atma/God/Allah but do the hindus believe it??? Seriously??? Do all Hindus know this??? Similarly there are many muslims who donot go beyond a literal understanding of the verses of the quran although there is a very rich history and context benhind all the revealtions. all revelations are linked to events happening in the life of the prophet and his followers in and around arabia.
And Quran is considered a linguistic miracle. And muslims of the subcontinent hardly understand quranic arabic! Even to this day the MIGHTY Isrealites and the Might Christian
RE:RE:A question to my muslim friends
by hakeem on Feb 01, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
And Quran is considered a linguistic miracle. And muslims of the subcontinent hardly understand quranic arabic! Even to this day the MIGHTY Isrealites and the Might Christians GO BACK TO QURANIC ARABIC when trying to explain the Meanings of Text in their BIBLE!!!
The Quran says: Indeed we have revealed this Quran as a mercy and healing to the hearts of the belivers and indeed we are its guardians!
RE:A question to my muslim friends
by JGN on Feb 01, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
Dear hakeem, the Quran is no liguistic miracle. it was the concoction of Mohammed to motivate his followrers (with all those rewards in "Paradise" or cruel punishment in heall, etc.
The so-called holy books have lost their relevance in today's world driven by science and technology. Pl come out of the religious dogmas. The "Paradise" existed only in the fertile imagination of Mohammed. Pl don't blow yourself up for availaing those rewards nor harm others!!!!!!!
RE:A question to my muslim friends
by adfasd asdasd on Feb 01, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Man if you want to talk of History...then hear this that Jodha bai was not Akbar's wife...i was taken aback to hear this, as i am sure many were.
That is why Micheal Hart, a Jewish Historian in his book: Hundred Great Presonalities of the World named him as the Greatest Personality the World has ever Witnessed!
George Bernard Shaw Wrote that: If Muhammad (SAW) was alive today he could solve ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS over a CUP of TEA!---I hope you know who George Bernard Shaw Was?
He further went on to Say that if any Religion has any chance of Ruling England in the next 100 years Its ISLAM!
And if you know Who Arnold Toyanbee was, you would know his views on Islam and if you donot know who Arnold Toyanbee is, Its time that you did some serious reading-- :)
A noted French Historian once said: History has not know more merciful conquorers than Muslims and It has never happened in the History of the World that those who conquored accepted the religion of those whom they conquored- He was referring to the Mongols who reduced Baghdad to ashes and killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims in 1256- And it is this massacre that is believed to have caused the Decline of Islamic Civilisation- accepted the religion of Islam and became one of the greatest patrons of Arts and Sciences and sprtead Islam to the East!
RE:Hate Polemics will melt away just as Ice melts away due to heat!
by deep dar on Feb 01, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
All these people have never read the Quran, that's why they think Islam is a great religion.
Islam is a terrorist religion started by the biggest terrorist Mohammed.
RE:Hate Polemics will melt away just as Ice melts away due to heat!
by spg on Feb 01, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
So how does it matter if Jeorge Bernard Shaw told all this s-hit abt mohMAD. Why should i accept what ever he said. I have my own brain to analyze and understand things. Being a Hindu I have read KO-RAN and i can say openly that it is a book of Hate and terrorism. Rather than Banning Salman Rushdi's book government should ban KORAN in any form. Some body should file and PIL to ban KORAN. dont worry someday this PIL should come to any one court in INdia. Stop advocatiing ISLAM. Let people judge based on their own knowledge. We are Kafir and kafirs are not brain dead like u believers.
RE:Hate Polemics will melt away just as Ice melts away due to heat!
by JGN on Feb 01, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
Dear hakeem, do you know that the great Mogul Emperor, Akbar himself was disillusioned with Islam and had started his own religion called "Deen-e-ilahi" Akbar's mother was a persian woman and he had mastery over Arabic language. Do you want us to believe that Akbar was a dim-wit who could not understand the Koran and its meaning or context?
Pl come out of the religious dogmas. The religions and so-called holy books have outlived their utility. Believe in the principles of modern civil laws.
RE:Hate Polemics will melt away just as Ice melts away due to heat!
by Supersecualirist on Feb 01, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
Good copy paste job to whitewash Islam's crime against humanity. But the truth is otherwise.
RE:fanatic and barbaric arab religion
by adfasd asdasd on Feb 01, 2008 02:13 PM Permalink
Also my friend you did not reply to my previous post in a logical way but took the argument away in another direction.
RE:RE:RE:RE:fanatic and barbaric arab religion
by adfasd asdasd on Feb 01, 2008 02:48 PM Permalink
I believe whatever is written in Quran/Bible/Vedas /Torat all is true.
Since i am beliver. This world only has believers and non-believers. Religions are man-made, made by people to rule and have power over other people.
RE:fanatic and barbaric arab religion
by adfasd asdasd on Feb 01, 2008 02:12 PM Permalink
Get me the full verses from your hate website and the I will answer you 1 last time.... After that may god/Allah/Bhagwan enlighten you, for i would be the one most sad at seeing you in the fires of hell for your thoughts.
I am sure you are also not a devout hindu, you seem to be against the concept of god, or anyone superioir to you.
