Several serious unsavoury features of Bol.wood, NO ONE sd forget: 1) LINKS WITH THE UNDERGROUND. Dawood Ibrahim and Jotta Shakeel made their first billions through Bd and smuggling. Bharat Shah, remember? 2) Links to prostitution, drugs and huge BLACK-MONEY 3) Funds driving terrorism, hawala and other channels undermining INDIA 4) Introducing VULGARITY in songs, "choli ke peechay kya hai", SOFT PORNOGRAPHY for e.g., in dances - the forward pelvic thrust was never part of any Indian dance until introduced by Bd. Many foreign countries regard Bd movies as "soft pornography". Yet the Censor Board here has different standards. The Board's main focus seems to be to observes "sickularism" as the other Media do. Moral standards are not its concern, so it seems. Every other country has banned showing smoking and drinking. Not India. 5) Therefore, social and family issues are not that well depicted in Bd. But some serials do a better job. 6) In some serials, characterisation and dialogues are better than Bd. AYURVEDA / SIDDHA / UNANI / HOMEO - -
Invasions from 11th century on did interrupt Indian medicine and technology. We have evidence that surgery was very well develoed. Scholars with medical background are needed to research the available Sanskrit, Pali, Hindi, Tamil, Malayalam works. There are many at the Saraswati Mahal Library in Tanjavoor. Fakes are a problem. Sorry power cut must switch off.
RE:Bollywood / Indian culture / Ayurveda
by Secular India on Aug 21, 2008 09:58 AM Permalink
Good joke - Mr Iyer. Please petition Mr Karunanidhi and other parties in Tamil Nadu and lets await their response to you. We know what Indian culture means to people like you - untouchability and caste system.
RE:Bollywood / Indian culture / Ayurveda
by Kris iyer on Aug 21, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
"Secular India" Most of our readers would know your irrelevance a) to my post above b) to current Indian society c) to the present 21 century d) to secularism in India. None of the "We-hate-this-caste" brigade is succeeding in India. You are free to live in the past if you want to. Thanks for your suggestion on the "power cut". No use petitioning anyone here. You do it if you want to. You may be "closer" to Karunanidhi than I am ever likely to be. Only some "caste-minded" folks such as yourself have any influence on politicians in India, especially, TamilNadu, where most parties are caste-based. You won't admit it. It is easier for you to blame the 2% of the population for every problem isn't it? The discussion is about Bollywood's habits. You are free to say it is all in accordance with indian culture. Then you are entering some sort of debate.
If Aurveda is a national treasure then so is Sidha. This is the only form of medicine that uses purified mettalurgy to treat diseases. The emphasis is on treating the soul using yoga and body using metals. Sidha medicine has been developed and practised by the Sidhars over thousands of years ago. Siddha Medicine is the mother of all Medical Sciences. You will find the essence of Ayurveda (plant extracts), Unani, Acupressure (sensitive points), Reiki (energy field) etc., in the theories of Siddha Medicine. Siddha Medicine utilizes plant extracts and metal oxides during the preparation of medicines.
Present day Ayurveda is a big scam. The real Ayurveda which was superior than allopathy was destroyed during the Buddhism era unleashed by Samrata Ashoka. Because as per the principles of Buddhism at that time suffering would give you moksha and suffering due to sickness etc. was a redemption of your past karma. Because of this Ayurveda practice was banned, some were destroyed, some knowledge was lost in time. In fact ayurveda had surgery procedure and was very advanced. Unfortunately all the artifacts and documents were destroyed. In most countries Ayurveda(internal medicine) is banned, since they found mercury, lead and other heavy metal. So Ayurveda per se may be ok but the mass manufacturing introduces too many toxicity to be considered safe.
Note: Be careful when you buy a mass manufactured the ever popular Chawanprash. Chawanprash is a good ayurveda formulation but buy it from a vaidya that you know or generation old family run ayurveda shop who make those formulation themselves.
RE:Today's ayurveda is a SCAM
by raj on Aug 21, 2008 09:33 AM Permalink
NO. i suppose you will say that of allopathy too if you come across an idiot practising allopathy or if you come across fake drugs which are so rampant.
samrat ashok never destroyed any ayurvedic texts you idiot. its was khilji, get a history lesson before you spread lies.
modern day ayurveda is sound in its principles. in fact much of the herbs form the basis for many allopathic medicines - the active ingredients are all common.
Poverty & Ignorance had been the Major Hindrance in taking part in modern age discoveries in Indian sub-continent since last 1500 years or so. Till then, India was flourishing nicely with multiple Kingdoms each with its own ruler, but with the same guidance given by time tested Vedic era knowledge. But, I agree that we should probably include the names of Sir J.C.Bose, Sir C.V.Raman, A.P.J.Abdul Kalam Ji etc stalwarts of recent times as well in this one.
Once Invasions had started, India had started yielding its freedom to foreign forces starting from Greeks, which obviously deprieve & exploit the locals & this continued till the Britishers which happened at a more larger level under British rule.
But before that, India was very prosperous both in the material aspects & also in Spiritual aspects.
The important thing to notice is that, even though india had lost most of its material level glory & knowledge in the last 1000 or 1500 years gradually, it had never lost its spiritual glory & had kept it preserved alive all along. It is this spiritual values Imparted by Vedic literature that are now made the world over to unconditionally treat India as the Spiritual Powerhouse of the world, giving guidance to the world, in tough times. It was these spiritual values imparted by the universally applicable vedic knowledge that gave rise to stalwarts like Mahatma Gandhi, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda, Lord Buddha and many enlightened ones in times of need.
RE:Why is India at current state of affairs with respect to Material level achievements
by saravanapandian on Aug 21, 2008 07:44 AM Permalink
Not starting from greeks,actually starting from the invasion of aryans.
RE:Why is India at current state of affairs with respect to Material level achievements
by sridhar krishna on Aug 21, 2008 01:55 AM Permalink
Swami Kabir Das, Sri Sur das, Sri Sai Baba, Sri Meera Bai, Subhash Chandra Bose, Chatrapati Shivaji, Sri Ramadas, Sri Annamayya, Sri Trailinga Swami, Sri Alluri Sitaramaraju, Sri Jiddu Krishnamurthy, Sri Sri Sri Adishankaracharya, Sri Guru Nanak, Sri Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri Yukteshwar Ji, Mahavatar Babaji & many more great stlwarts had been the result of the time tested Vedic spiritual values of India. With the spiritual level being preserved, the material level is now being regained, (slowly but steadily) just like the tree that apparently dead with out any leaves, during the fall(in tough times), will again come to life when it is spring, so is the case with India.
With its time tested and inclusive(of all humanity) vedic spiritual values and by using good aspects of others as well, India, will definitely see its past glory at the material level, but I guess, every one both Indians and non-Indians alike need to support and work hard for this.
I remember a noted westerner(donot know his name) saying that, "If we loose Indian culture, it will be a humanity's lost, rather than only India's lost". I wonder, how knowledgeable this person should be about us, to cross the bounds of localization and to understand Indian culture and tradition and the underlying universal concepts.
Bombay/Mumbai has always been a cosmopolitan city with a unique character and charm. It has promoted Hindi as a common binding medium for all states and languages. Intellectualism is thwarted by the demand to cater to the masses with low education level. Historically they have imitated plagiarized Hollywood scripts and music.
I noticed you have used the word "religion" . Given the current anf past history. Bollywood can have an immense impact on influencing the youth to cultivate unity and National Pride and anti terrorism mind set.
Its time for the Bollywood Muslims the Khans and Sabana Azmi etc to speak up to their Muslim community to refrain from anti India activities. And keeping the underworld controlled by Dawood types out of Bollywood/India. After all its India that has given them this unbiased fame and humongous wealth.
RE:Bollywood has been a great uniter of Indians...
by sibby mathews on Aug 21, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
But most importantly, 'Bollywood' or anything else equally or more vapid can also join in effectively drumming it into the commoner's thick skull that tolerating corruption can never ever get them or their nation anywhere near true progress !!
Now, that prospect is a tall order since 'Bollywood' itself thrives solely on the same tolerance of the commoner for matters that are entirely against his true interests !!
RE:Bollywood has been a great uniter of Indians...
by sridhar krishna on Aug 21, 2008 01:37 AM Permalink
At the same time, Bollywood is also a destroyer of the Spiritual essence of the India, since there are very very very less of the Spiritual kind of Movies that Bollywood churns out. Anywhere, there is no ingredient of Spirituality , that is of no use, and does not endure in the long term. Even a simple human relation that is not built on the foundation f Spirituality and Divinity and purity doesnot hold for long time, how can the Binding that is based on mere movies can withstand? BELIEVE ME. THese days, whatever movies we see from Bollywood, they are mere junk, with no Patriotic themes or no Spiritual themes, but only sensual love and other junk content. A bond that is built on this kind of junk may not be stronger.
We should get more and more movies that reflect the spiritual values of India and its Vedic Knowledge, rather than a mere love and other junk concepts. Then, may be Bollywood will be having a stronger impact in Uniting all the Indians.
the most dangerous of all therapies, in 99% cases the active principle and its toxicity are completely unknown. the same is the case with homeopathy. both these therapies should be banned as unethical ways of harming a patient in the name of treating hisailments.
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by old age on Aug 20, 2008 09:32 PM Permalink
These are medicines but people easily mistake them for supplements. These should be taken only after consultation with reputed physician and not over the counter and strict diet should accompany as per his directions. The entire course too must be completed. So it is discipline on the part of the patient that is important here.
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by Calspadeaspade on Aug 21, 2008 10:25 PM Permalink
Agree with you. Ayurvedic treatment may be Ok for some chronic skin problems. Though allopathy is not perfect that is the best we have now. I am surprised that some people like Deepak Chopra are advocating Ayurvedic treatment.Deepak made huge money out of it from the gullible west.
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by sridhar krishna on Aug 21, 2008 01:31 AM Permalink
I dnot know where from on earth these Chatterjeee's, babus come with no knowledge of the Magnanimous vedic knowledge and its traditions.
May be its because they were only taught the Communist history and not that of the Vedic Indias History and its glory in the Spiritual world. While most of the World considers India as the powerhouse of the Spiritual values and the time tested ancient knowledge, its sad to see that these chatterjee like half knowledged ones comes out with no hesitation to blame anything that is Indian.
It has been proved that Ayurvedic and Homeopathy type medications are the best since they are extracted mostly from the natural sources, while English medicines are for sure having the many side effects, for one actual benefit.
You test it out before making some crappy comments on some thing that you donot know. Be careful Chatterjee. While Bengal had produced Stalwarts lIke Swami Vivekananda, Swami Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda, Swami Tagore Ji, JC Bose etc, these current day Bongs donot have any clue about the magnanimity of the contributions of these stalwarts and their legacies of the Vedic Knowledge. WAKE UP Bengali Wake up. Otherwise, one day in the future, you will be asking India to give Bengal to be given to CHINA. Even CHINA accepted that India had won over China without even sending a single army by way of its superior culture, but what the current Bongs are doing is that they are making Bengal, a hot bed of terrors
RE:RE:ayurvedic treatment
by saravanapandian on Aug 21, 2008 07:55 AM Permalink
My question in prctical why peoples go for enlish medicines instead of ayurvedic. Because now world fastly changing,we can't spare more days for headach or simple fever
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by gakkad on Aug 21, 2008 03:47 AM Permalink
Present day Ayurveda is a big scam. The real Ayurveda which was superior than allopathy was destroyed during the Buddhism era unleashed by Samrata Ashoka. Because as per the principles of Buddhism at that time suffering would give you moksha and suffering due to sickness etc. was a redemption of your past karma. In fact ayurveda had surgery procedure and was very advanced. Unfortunately all the artifacts and documents were destroyed. In most countries Ayurveda(internal medicine) is banned, since they found mercury, lead and other heavy metal. So Ayurveda per se may be ok but the mass manufacturing introduces too many toxicity to be considered safe.
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by Bandhu on Aug 20, 2008 11:17 PM Permalink
Shut-up Sugata/Sunita, you are traitors of motherland, culture and its medicinal therapy.
You are not getting the business these days?
It seems you have studied in chrstian missionery schools and dont know any thing about our wonderful Ayurvedic therapies.
Our Ayurvedic therapies are proven for morethan 3000 years. You dont seems to have knowledge about over villages where home medicine/Ayurvedic medicines are the best available medicines. Hope I dont need to tell you idiots, the villegers are much happier and healthier than city centric people.
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by Kunal Das on Aug 20, 2008 11:31 PM Permalink
Sugata/Sunita are dogmatics when they say alternative medicine system should be banned, rather than saying we need to explore and investigate to segregate truth and myth out of them. Bandhu is dogmatic when he says something practiced for ages must be right - is it the same with child marriage, widow burning?
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by Neeru Kaur on Aug 20, 2008 10:49 PM Permalink
So you would rely on the western pharmaceuticals with dizzying number of side effects that have also resulted in deaths inspite of following the instructions???
Since you are so against these age old natural therapies that you want to see them banned, perhaps you should provide a better explanation as to why instead of a one-liner about the active principle and its toxicity. What makes you such an expert on the subject?? Just curious!!
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by sugata chatterjee on Aug 21, 2008 10:55 AM Permalink
To Mr.Cricket S and other elite critiques, when you and your relatives fall sick due to metabolic disorders or diseases due to infection by external organisms, do you go to see an allopath or an ayurved/hakim/homeopath ? Till penicillin was isolated and small pox vaccine was made through rational thinking, the average life expectancy in India was 20 years, today it has reached 50-55 years readers, is there any treatment for malaria, cholera, tuberculosis, pneumonia etc in ayurveda. Ayurvedic drugs prescribed today, on analysis by mass spectrometry, invariably shows corticosteroids and other established allopathic drugs in suboptimal doses which act as the curing agent. Ayurvedic doctors have been caught prescribing Roulfelia serpentina ( a medicinal plant) and opium for diabetic patients, the patient sleeps almost whole day. Rabindranath Tagore made a remark our nationalism should not stoop to the level that we worship the dogs on the streets because the streets are in India and kick out the gods of science and technology of western countries because they are not Indian. That is another sort of fanatism. Western medicines have evolved thru intensive research and rational drug designing and we must aceept and use them with due respect. We must bow to knowledge which is life saver. The holy communist saints and idiots can go to hell to look for their medicines. I care a damn re their castes. Some guys on this blog board appear mentally retarded.
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by Sunita Chatterjee on Aug 20, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
Mr.S.....it appears you are in junior school playing cricket on a village road.
RE:ayurvedic treatment
by saravanapandian on Aug 21, 2008 07:48 AM Permalink
Who asked you to follow only allopathy medicines.Better go for ayurvedic surgery.
Bollywood is a big "money-spinning" industry with good features mentioned in the article above. It is "entertainment" but, my view is: Even entertainment should not be "cliched"!! 1) Since the 1970s, Bd.films are mostly "masala". One scene we see dancing in wild happiness, next scene, someone is dying clutching his or her chest. One scene great mirth, next loud wailing. Quick turn over, loud, angry dialogues, using only a small range of vocabulary. There is not that much "characterisation". Motives are too simple and plain for our current world. Heroes are gentle and always right and villains are rapists. Almost all "macho" male characters smoke cigarettes or drink. Bd. and Kd. directors do not know how else to show male "macho"-ness. They know only one type of "romantic love" - the sickly sweet variety where the two fall in love at first sight, next scene they are running round some trees, may be in a snowy mountain!!! Bd makes bad historical movies. No quality such as in Western, Russian or Japanese movies. Escapism is okay up to a point. But "realism" cannot be sacrificed so completely. The story line and dialogue are very low to ordinary quality. Then, predictability - after about 30 minutes of watching most Bollywood movies, you can predict how the story line may proceed. Every sort of movie, historical, comiedies and tragedies, revolves around romance. Ashoka, even Mughal-e-Azam, no good in conveying any historical sense. U can end up with
After Rabindranath Tagore and C. V. Raman, India even unable to produce a nobel laurate of its own. The knowledge of these so called big big institutes in India merely create copy and paste knowledge. When these so called big big professionals from India including Professors of IIT's and IIM's come to west and encounter white people, they become mickky mouse and start flattery.
RE:Empty Sound and Know the Truth
by Hitesh Singla on Aug 20, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
anything special you have done in your life??? rather than being jealous of IIM grads..
RE:RE:Empty Sound and Know the Truth
by Ravichander Banerjee on Aug 20, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
I agree with Subho dada, India never produced any Sidney Sheldon or Dan Brown or J K Rowling..... We just overhyped foolish illeterate actors and politicians to Godhood.... btw sugata, how r u??
RE:Empty Sound and Know the Truth
by Ravichander Banerjee on Aug 21, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
BTW Paa'daa...... i m pretty much sure you urslef have been enacting as mickey mouse to some and not to forget mentioning minni mice to some.... hmmmmmmmmmm..... since IIM grads need not to go for such an option you are jealous.... m I right???
RE:Empty Sound and Know the Truth
by sridhar krishna on Aug 21, 2008 01:44 AM Permalink
Why do you insist that we should have a copy cat kind of Icons in the Indian populations? Why cannot we see in the aspects of Spiritual values that India had produced? In the spiritual world, India had produced Lord Krishna Or Lord Jesus Christ like saints in every generation, while the west had only seen one or two saits of such stature. Is it not the biggest point that we should project if needed, rather than negatively looking at the failures of the Indians at the material plane int he last 1000 or 1500 years. Remember that we had been doing badly in terms of material level achievements due the suffering that we had incurred in the last 1000 or 1500 years, due to foreign rule and suppression on us and our vedic culture. Prior to that, india was very much abundant in Material riches as well.
I can definitely imagine an India without Bollywood...there are so many regional language movies. how can you generalize that Bollywood is India?...i don't give a damn about bollywood
