hindu agitation in JK started with this cave, so this is the cause. it is not a side-effect. mere side-effects do not cause a month of riots and strikes.
the fact that KP's live in slums in jammu is a matter of shame for indians. india never even helps these people build even a decent home. these people were loaded onto army trucks, brought to jammu, and then given a tent and some bottles of water. they were kicked out of kashmir by muslims, but they continue to live like ants because india doesn't really care about them. they are a small community after all, and 300,000 people isnt a significant voting block in india.
RE:Shiv Sena = SS = Schutzstaffel
by on Aug 07, 2008 03:10 AM Permalink
Mr Jai go and fight with terrorists first, to restore Pandits Ok. what is Kasmir for Pandits when they cant leave there because of muslims.
RE:RE:Shiv Sena = SS = Schutzstaffel
by jai on Aug 07, 2008 03:15 AM Permalink
yeah and u euunnnchh sit in ur ac room and wait till some bomb planted by terorist rpps ur acsss apart
RE:RE:RE:Shiv Sena = SS = Schutzstaffel
by on Aug 07, 2008 03:35 AM Permalink
What a moron you are Kashmiri MUSLLA. People should be living in AC and not making bombs in deserts. Its because u Allah ke bande that they will never have good life. Having all the beards and chillers in them..you guys shoudl be put in furnace and left there make pataka..
RE:Shiv Sena = SS = Schutzstaffel
by Jaishal on Aug 07, 2008 03:17 AM Permalink
pandits want to come back to kashmir, the issue is not that they cannot leave. after a few killings, all 300,000 of them left. even after 2000 muslims were killed in gujurat, and in spite of threats, 95% of muslims didnt flee. isn't a bit strange that a few killings prompted 95% of KPs to leave? they were urged to leave by the army, and they even left in army trucks which were dispatched to villages w/o violence. KPs are being used as a poltiical tool to show how mean muslims supposedly are. thats why they are still living in garbage slums in jaum despite being paraded around as the 'downtrodden refugees.' no other refugees in india live in such squalor as KPs. they are being used. india has never helped them, just gave them a few tents to pitch in some nullahs in Jammu.
RE:Shiv Sena = SS = Schutzstaffel
by sandeep munshi on Aug 07, 2008 03:19 AM Permalink
at least you agreed that u kicked out kashmiri pandits. That shows who the real fascist is Muslims are secular when in minority and whenever they are in majority, they want islamic rule I love USA and george Bush. He will make sure that Muslims around the world will bite dust and kill each other like they are doing in baghdad and iraq
@Harjeet - The issue of amarnath is not the root cause of the hindu agitation..Its just a side effect.. The hindus in kashmir have been forcibly driven away from home and are living in a pitiable condition..They are voicing their anger against the injustices meted out to them. and seeing their condition, i feel they have every right to do so.. This criminal gilani is an islamo fascist who doesn't want a single hindu in the valley and it is said that our govt's ignore their own citizens and take side of this pro paki militant.. The land alloted to amarnath samiti is not even habitable for most part of the year.. then how can it affect so called "kashmirs demography" .. all crap made for political gains..
RE:Hindus
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 03:40 AM Permalink
i admire ur concer for the kashmiri pandits but urge u to show same human concern for kashmiri muslims also.
i dont know how many msulims u have personnaly met or know in life u arrive at such stark conclusions
RE:Hindus
by on Aug 07, 2008 03:42 AM Permalink
I have many muslim freinds but we keep religion aside as personal beliefs..but ur Allah does not have nay partner so probably if I am Pak or BDesh I will certainly have problem.
youre sikh, you know how these hindu nationalists (not mainstream hindus) only care about their own. when they massacre sikhs, they are quiet. when sikhs rise against them, they scream "you kciked us out of punjab!!"
Muslims are being beaten up everyday in Jammu and surrounding areas. muslim truck drivers are even beaten for stumbling across a mob. these hindu fascists dont care about others. they can beat everoyne else, but if anyone touches them then they magically unite as the oppressed and downtrodden. they accept no responsibility. surely you know this, everyone in kashmir does.
rajeev - the fear is that once this land is given, then more land will be taken. no one thinks somehow a million hindus can live on 40 hectares of land. kashmiris fear that once this piece of land is given, more and more land will be taken away and then people will be settled. non-Kashmiris can never buy land in kashmir, so this is the first time our land is being given to others. hindu nationalists have long threatened to flood kashmir with hindu settlers, so who wouldnt be terrified now?
RE:Hindus
by Ramesh Radhakrishnan Iyer on Aug 07, 2008 03:31 AM Permalink
See this stool eating dog keeping sinlence since it has eaten too much since it has no master in its own while some one barking at the thiefs. But this one praying only the dark dry walls without any destiny
RE:Hindus
by on Aug 07, 2008 03:05 AM Permalink
I ask why not.. when mosque get land ..This is rubbish..look at pakistan and Bdesh and learn from them, if u cant learn from US or UK
While the Gujarat police stepped up security for the Sardar Sarovar Dam in Narmada district after the blasts in Ahmedabad, policemen at the dam site turned away groups of Muslim holiday-makers from the popular picnic spot.
Many Muslim tourists , including a Chartered Accountant and his family and a visiting London-based NRI family, were shooed away after they entered the dam site on Sunday and Monday, allegedly because patrolling cops found they had Muslim names.
RE:Apartheid
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 04:16 AM Permalink
recently, indians were voted by those in the tourism industry as being some of the most disliked tourists in the world for a number of reasons (at the top of the list is because Indian tourists are rude).
so i suggest you learn manners before telling others how to live.
i dont understand this needless controversy....the kashmiri leaders and kashmiris have been ensuring that the yatra is carried peacfully every year without any trouble...
the local adm goes to many lengths to facilitate yatra and they are promising to continue to do the same....
what do these silly protesters want to gain by having the land writtn in their name on a useless piece of govt land record...
the same land is always available for their use every year
RE:why r these idots after the land
by jai on Aug 07, 2008 02:51 AM Permalink
this is not they but u r idiot who is preaching sitting in his living room....this is not just for piece of land but the anger of those deprived hindus who have been ethnically cleansed by these batrds ...now they know taste of their own mdeicine...eating indian singing pakii...and mr harjeet u will only know this pain when some of them will grab u moaathr sis ..then only u will know who is idiot..
RE:why r these idots after the land
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 02:56 AM Permalink
i am not sitting in my living...i have served two tenures in valley.....
and who is grabbing ur mother sis....are u having some nighmares in the middle of the night....and baba rahim is a needless controversy too....so is this so called amarnath one....
there is no impact on yatra...arrangements are being made as routine
RE:why r these idots after the land
by R A on Aug 07, 2008 03:03 AM Permalink
Its not needless. For you, it might be. You remember 84 riots but do you remember how kashmiris were butchered. Its hard to know the pain of others. Its their decades old anger which is coming out. You better don't behave like self appointed mediator. No one want you.
RE:why r these idots after the land
by on Aug 07, 2008 02:59 AM Permalink
Yes kashmiri hindus deserve the land..muslims are doing the same thing in kasmir as in pakistan,terrorising Hindus...
RE:why r these idots after the land
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 03:35 AM Permalink
oh yes because you hindu nationalists in india are being excellent neighbors to Muslims. surely, those ahmedabad and bomday riots were terrorizing muslims? your ignorance would be funny if there weren't so many people like you. when a hindu beats up a muslim in udhampur, no one says anything. if a muslim even touches a hindu girl, you scream "LOOK HOW THEY ARE TRYING TO CONVERT US!!!! DAMN MUSLIMS!!!! JAI HIND!!!"
RE:why r these idots after the land
by on Aug 07, 2008 03:38 AM Permalink
No beating muslims or ill treating them is Bad.. But will you guys ever be happy to peacefully..having a bad life is in ur religion and putting other in trouble is what you are tought in madarasas
RE:why r these idots after the land
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 03:55 AM Permalink
you say its bad, but you seem to think its justified. you speak complete nonsense. "having a bad life is in ur religion." are you kidding me? those religious sheikhs in dubai are living terrible lives. when madrasas become radical, it usually in response to something else. it all started because the soviets invaded. very few were radical before that. when indian muslims become radicalized, its because they remember 1993 and 2002, not because they begin to taste the deen.
islam and hinduism both teach that you should fight in self-defense. radical muslims think they are being oppressed. Just as radical hindus think they've been oppressed for 100 years. its the perception which matters, because you can justify almost anything with scriptures.
RE:why r these idots after the land
by Ramesh Iyer on Aug 07, 2008 03:38 AM Permalink
There is no limit to your foolishness. When some thing like this always happening. Why do you bather about it? You eat, sleep,, go to work without bathe no questions at all. Great.You know always be happy. See the goat which is tasting the grass while other goat faces the fate.Be happy baba be happy ppy py
RE:why r these idots after the land
by R A on Aug 07, 2008 02:50 AM Permalink
I also don't understand what do these silly protesters all over the world want to gain by having Baba Ram Rahim arrested. Why silly people spend 1000 of crores on celebrating tertionary celebrations......
RE:RE:why r these idots after the land
by Ramesh Iyer on Aug 07, 2008 03:40 AM Permalink
I do not understand why these silly guy/s commenting as that these are the garden park dogs when some one is fighting for their life and religion?
RE:why r these idots after the land
by Indo Maratha on Aug 07, 2008 02:54 AM Permalink
It is because of pseudo foolish intellectuals that India and the Indian hindus are in such a plight.
Please contnue living in your own world of books, bollywood, kyunki saas bi bahu thi,etc. One day when you will be thrown out of your own city then you will understand the above people's foolishness.
One more singh sardar trying to screw India what else
RE:RE:why r these idots after the land
by Ramesh Iyer on Aug 07, 2008 03:44 AM Permalink
Sardars are generally gentle man. I do not know how this got the taste of enemies brains.Bhaju me pada hoga this fool idiotic rascal
RE:RE:why r these idots after the land
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 02:57 AM Permalink
are u guys schezophrenic or what....who is throwing u out of ur city man...
RE:RE:RE:why r these idots after the land
by on Aug 07, 2008 03:01 AM Permalink
Harjeet first change ur name to reaal one..Where did u serve ..was that harkatul mujahideen..
RE:why r these idots after the land
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 03:09 AM Permalink
well considering the schezophrenic nature of discussion of going on i can only pity ur tortured souls and psyches...
may god give u some satisfaction by raking this stupid issue...enjoy ur madness u idiots...
i am better of serving my country...i am commisioned officer in army and i dont need ur certificate to proove anything...
enjoy agitating guys....may god grant u peace and sense...thanks for all the abuses...u proove ur intellectual capability and moral standards
RE:why r these idots after the land
by on Aug 07, 2008 03:20 AM Permalink
Last comment for Muslim army officer.. No one is asking you to prove
The sensivity you have shown for fellow messenges like "and who is grabbing ur mother sis....are u having some nighmares in the middle of the night" shows carelesness.
Are not pandits killed enmass in Kashmir by MUSLIMS. Whats is problem to aloocate some land ..whose land is that? Why mosques can be created and army cantonemnt can be created or islamic school can be erected?
You can answer if you are unbiased muslims..even americans allow you to have mosque and us to have temple.
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
well for ur information thousnads were massacard in gujrat riots...mumbai riots ....84 anti sikh riots .....numerous attacks on missionaries and the the list goes on....
if the hindu and other religious fundamentalists have their way then our country is going to disintegrate soon....
its people like togadia...modi in history who forced partition by destroying the secular fabric of our country....]
for nations sake wake up now...realise ur stupidities and act rationally...this false sense of inferiority complex ingrained in the psyche of neo nationalist hindu middle class has its origin in the misintrepretation of our history....as someone said a little knowledge is a dangerous thing....
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by on Aug 07, 2008 02:51 AM Permalink
harjeet it NOT THE war beteween Hindu and any other it eWAR BETWEN MUSLIM AND NON MUSLIM..Get lost to pakistan..
RE:RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by on Aug 07, 2008 02:53 AM Permalink
Leave Bihinderawala.. talk about Jinnah and abdul syaed who divided india.. What you think see the world around even china is facing problem because of muslims...wake guys fight to finish..
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by R A on Aug 07, 2008 03:04 AM Permalink
Bhindrawala also had same plans and for which he killed thousands of innocent people. Why leave him....
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 03:01 AM Permalink
bhindrawaley was as idiotic and criminal as MODi and togadia and advani
why will i get lost to pakistan...i gaurd the boundaries of our country day in and day out....have done two tenuers in the valley.....
its people sitiing in air conditioned rooms in cities who get all these stupid weird inferiority complexes...may be this satisfies ur ego to hurl abuses at other religions...
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by Ramesh Iyer on Aug 07, 2008 03:55 AM Permalink
I have great ragard toward sardars.Not your comment on our hinduism. Some political might have harmed your community. You please target them.Mind it Your religion belives in veda and Hindu gods. Many of your people do not defernciate hindu gods and Sri Gurunanak's preaching are in line with this only. Instead targeting this political rascals why are you targeting Hindus. You can not see a single hindu terrorist in the world who bomed others.Its is because of other religions and this politcal rascals. I do not refernciate between Hindus with Budhism and the Siks. These two are part of Hinduism only basically. Induism accomodates these two. Once again am telling you sardas really gaurding our contry.
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by jai on Aug 07, 2008 02:56 AM Permalink
mr harjeet ..remeber kanishka bombing..and thedays of terrorism in punjab when hindus were off boarded from buses ..put in a queue and shot in the name of releigion...u didnt mention bhindrawale. whom u ppl declared martyr..al.now when hindus are saying enuf is enuf so u r getting pain in ur aa....
RE:RE:RE:RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 03:02 AM Permalink
what has kanishka got to do with this ....and if kanishka was wrong....
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by jai on Aug 07, 2008 03:08 AM Permalink
seems u r a big moron ..whom u have gurded in valley? office of hurriyat or u were a bodygaurd of that bloody Lone or salahuddin ... why u r hiding behind a sikh name as if u wud be a sikh u may be knowing vandhama killing of 50 sikhs in a line...
RE:RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by jai on Aug 07, 2008 03:10 AM Permalink
sorry vandhama again innocent hindus were killed , it was chitti singhpura...so where were u mr gurd harjeet singh then who 'served 2 tenures in valley'
RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 03:37 AM Permalink
you hindus literally are blinded by your ignorance. hindus massacre thousands of sikhs in a few days, then the skihs respond by evicting Hindus. its a cycle, but you only blame the sikhs. as if hindus never do anything wrong. hindus apparently are the victims all the time. get that trident out of your eyes and see reality.
RE:RE:(PAKI GHULAAM) NABI AZAAD
by Ramesh Iyer on Aug 07, 2008 04:06 AM Permalink
Basically Hindus are not terrorists.You can not show a single hindu terrorist like Osama or dawood/ etc. If some of you are harmed means beacuse Hindus have to live among other terror people. Their habbits coming to them. If this continue Hindus will no langer be soft toward others. They know how to over power other cunning pepole when time arise.
RE:MUSLIMS PLEASE VACATE THE LAND OF HINDU GODS OR.....
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 03:56 AM Permalink
a stone idol may have a face, but it doesn't mean its any more real than islam.
We are really ashamed of the policy adopted by our spineless so called Leaders of our Country. In just within 10 days of the unrest in KASHMIR VALLEY by the untrustworthy Muslims of the valley, the Govt. of kashmir withdrew the land allotted to the Shrine BOARD under the instructions from the High Court. And now it is more than a month the Hindus are only requesting to revise the decisions Taken by another reknowned spineless CM under the guidance of reknowned leader of the terrorists the Mufti and his supporters like Soz, But the Government of INDIA is not able to take a small decision and save the honour of the Hindus. Really, it is very sad to learn that the HINDUS have no guarantee of their safety in their own country. It is high time that Hindus should visualise their future. Otherwise all Hindus will meet the same fate as the Hindus of Kashmir Valley if not today then tommorrow. Our future generations will curse us for the carelessness on our part.
RE:Land allotment to Amarnath Shrine Trust Board
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 03:59 AM Permalink
" But the Government of INDIA is not able to take a small decision and save the honour of the Hindus. Really, it is very sad to learn that the HINDUS have no guarantee of their safety in their own country."
It is not the responsibility of India to ensure Hindu self-esteem. India is not a Hindu country, so stop speaking as if India belongs only to the Hindus.
and no guarantee of safety? not giving 40 hectares of land to a shrine board (which falsely created a lingam last year) all of a sudden poses a real danger to your existence? youre getting dramatic.
congress ruled staes like ap they had given reservations to muslims even muslims got subsidy to haj but what hindus got is nothing in their own country there is no reservation subsidy to any pilgrimage like mansarovar in tibet. after all it is only a temporary land in kashmir which muslims are reluctant to give.
RE:bad government
by Malathi U on Aug 07, 2008 01:51 AM Permalink
I am from Andhra, and I am ashamed the my state is supporting Congress and scared it might come again in the coming next election. Please all Andhras vote BJP but not for congress of TDP. They all are Hindu haters and supporting SP, commuies.
Wake up you Hindu guys or else be slaves for the minorities in your own countries.
RE:bad government
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 04:02 AM Permalink
congress is dominated by hindus. so are all other mainstream parties in india. the communists are all of hindu families. so now all of a sudden voting for these overwhelmingly hindu parties is voting for subjugation by minorities? really? you think that? no one will ever suppress hindus by voting for the non-BJP candidate.
your unashamed fear-mongering is obviously an attempt to help your party. no one will vote BJP because of these sorts of postings.
RE:Sorry Guys ! UPA only helps the true minorities.
by Tamil natan on Aug 07, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
Man, I am a Chennai Tamil - I backed the LTTE because they are a minority who have been abused- and politic has not resolved anything, so war is there only way out. I think you are wrong pushing the Hindus in J&K to the wall- sooner or later - somebody from that community will rise up - and will a non-political style outfit in J&K - so if nothing will be done for them - then in the future accept that Hindu boys in J&K will be supporting an organisation that will want to re-claim their land - not through politics but through war. So be careful - donot underestimate the Pandits.
RE:Sorry Guys ! UPA only helps the true minorities.
by Ghulam Malik on Aug 07, 2008 04:06 AM Permalink
the reason they were kicked out is because muslims were not given what was promised to them in 1948. they were always second to pandits because the dogra rajas favored pandits and forbade muslims from going into high positions, so pandits ended upbeing better educated and with better jobs because of a legacy of discrimination. Muslims were the majority, but the power was with the pandits. that caused resentment that boiled over in 1986. the last straw was when those pandits supported india. so actually, they were evicted because of a LEGACY of oppression (because of the dogras).
And besides, pandit youths have forgotten Kashmir. Only the old ones want to come back. the youths would prefer to go to delhi, bombay, dubai, or bangalore. the youths don't care to come back to a poor valley in which they know they are not welcome. they see their futures in indian cities, not kashmiri ones.
RE:Sorry Guys ! UPA only helps the true minorities.
by Sandeep Baskaran on Aug 07, 2008 03:26 AM Permalink
Ya I pray as well but thats not the solution...We Should go to delhi/jammu and take part in the protests..Thats the only way to strengthen the resolve of our Jammu Brothers...
If they feel that the rest of the country is not supporting them..they will give up soon
RE:Sorry Guys ! UPA only helps the true minorities.
by Harjeet singh on Aug 07, 2008 03:37 AM Permalink
u will sleep tonight agian...this all hue and cry only serves ur battered inferiority complexes...
enjoy ur sleep...for tomorrows boring day at work as nobody