Nothing other than of exchanging benefit. It is asserted that Sonia family and Nalani are looking to help out each other. Nalini would be let free if she and her husband Murugan dont drag sonia and her assossiates in Rajiv assassination.
So this somehow tells the real culprits behind the Assassination.
Rajiv is long dead- we cannot keep watching Tamils get killed in Sri Lanka. Almost everyday we hear Tamils being killed in SL for being Tamils. Do these Eelam Tamils still deserves to die after such a long time for Rajiv killing. What happen in the past happen in the past, time to let go. As a tamil, my concern now is the Tamils in Sri Lanka who currently have no rights and being killed on a daily basis. This should be the concern of Tamils here and guys from kerala as well. What happen to Rajiv was bad, but we have to care for the living as well.
RE:Time to move on
by Prashanth on Apr 30, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
Also, Rajiv Gandhi's killing has almost nothing to do with Tamil's in SL getting killed TODAY.
RE:RE:Time to move on
by Tamil natan on Apr 30, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
Why are the Tamils in SL prevented from buying arms to defend themselves from the Sighalese war machine? Sure it's not to do with Rajivs death. :-)
RE:Time to move on
by Prashanth on Apr 30, 2008 08:49 PM Permalink
According to your logic, all criminals however heinous their crimes were, should be pardoned! That is ridiculous and dangerous.
RE:Time to move on
by Tamil natan on Apr 30, 2008 08:59 PM Permalink
Time to stop the killing of Tamils in neigbouring Sri lanka. Associating Rajiv as an excuse to the continous killing or as an excuse to continue Tamils is getting people piss off here. If the court says nalini should be free then let her free, if courts says its not possible, then its not possible. Concentrating on Nalini- and not seeing the bigger picture of this political move is not very logical :-) Let the idiots talk about conspiracy theory.
RE:Time to move on
by Bharat Kr on May 02, 2008 10:12 PM Permalink
Tamil natan: Ask these questions to DMK govt in TN, who is supporting the Congress-led UPA govt in Delhi. Why UPA govt, DMK is a part, don't want to mediate between SL govt and LTTE? Tamils are indirectly killing Tamils, not by the SL govt. DMK can stop killing Tamils in oneday by giving warming to Congress-led UPA govt.
RE:RE:Time to move on
by Muthiah Thenappan on May 01, 2008 06:15 PM Permalink
Tamil population in Sri Lanka is over a million. They are basically Indians by descent and live harmoniously with the Sinhalese. Ethnic Jaffna Tamils supressed our people, made them stateless and non-citizens. They were the root cause to bring in the Indian & Pakistani Citizenship act and also immigration act. They were working hand and gloves with the Sinhalese drove away more than half a million Estate workers to India. Sinhalese in general are good and naive people, unlike the Jaffna Tamils . These people are ungrateful,selfish and criminal minded. They don't deserve any sympathy. You find them now all over the world. They are very rich to-day. They can look after themselves.
Many Indians, especially Tamils of South India, have no idea about the Jaffna Tamils. They can look after themselves. Our interference is uncalled for. Nedumaran or Vaiko may support them. Perhaps either of them do not know anything about Sri Lankan politics. They are doing it for political publicity.
RE:Time to move on
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on May 04, 2008 11:08 AM Permalink
other SInhalese using a Tamil Name. How can Jaffan Tamils make the Indian oringin Tamils non citizins when they are not ruling the country but the Sinhala country. The Tamils are a pwerlaess large minority . The ethnice Jafan Tamils themsleves ae in danger of loosing thoer identity and their land and they are makingIndian Tamils noon citizens . Use your brains, even if you lies please lie so that others can believe. If the SInhalses ae so anive and inncoent then why are they so racist and genocidal. By the way are you awares that around 50% of the present day SInhlese are only decended form recently migrated low/backward caste south Indian Tamils.
I still believe Chandra Swami had involvement in the conspiracy of Rajiv's assassination. He had international links and connection with LTTE and weapon suppliers. Also, he was not in good terms with Rajiv. Chandra Swami helped LTTE getting weapons (there was news about LTTE getting weapons just after the assassination of Rajiv) and as a reward, LTTE eliminated Rajiv. I had sent a mail in this regard to Sonia Gandhi around 10 years back and there was a similar kind of enquiry just after that. What is the outcome of that enquiry? Where is Chandra Swami these days?
RE:Chandra Swami
by Bharat Kr on May 02, 2008 10:19 PM Permalink
Read the S Gurumurtys yesterdays article in ExpressIndia, Sonia LTTE link. Search in google Sonia LTTE link, you get the article
Graham Stuart Staines was burnt to death. His wife pardoned the killers. Now these idiots would say she is behind his murder!!. What a funny logic? All these idiots are trying to say Sonia is behind Rajive's assasination. Don't write ur stories here. Get matured
RE:Nalinai's petition
by Sun on Apr 30, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
Another terrorist to the support. Beware guys, if we say something against them they will send some innocent brainwashed kid as a suicide killer against us.
RE:Nalinai's petition
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
The IPKF Operation in Jaffna did not stop with massacres of civilians. A large number of women were raped. The following quotation is taken from Prof Daya Somasundaram%u2019s book Scarred Minds %u2013 The Psychological Impact of War on Sri Lankan Tamils. Prof Daya Somasundaram is the Professor of Psychiatry in the University of Jaffna and concurrently Consultant Psychiatrist, General (Teaching Hospital) Jaffna. He was one of the four authors of the book, Broken Palmyrah, which was critical of the LTTE, a co-author of Mental Health in Cambodia, where he served as a Consultant Psychiatrist.
"Rape by Indian Soldiers
From time immemorial, plunder and rape have been considered the spoils of war. A form of %u2018psychopathic liberation%u2019 resulting in looting, rape and heavy drinking is reported to follow major stressful events (Kinston and Rosser, 1974). Although the total number of rapes during the Indian army operations are not known, it seemed to reach epidemic proportions. It has been verified that quite a large number, ranging from young girls who had just attained puberty to old women well past the menopause stage, were brutally raped.
What is said about violence in general is applicable to sexual violence. However, aggressive sexual assault has its own unique characteristics and consequences. Thus,
Rape is a violent crime in which sexuality is used to express power, anger and aggression, with a core meaning of devaluation, humiliation, sheer terror and most intimate violation o
RE:Nalinai's petition
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
In our cultural setting, sexual violence takes on a more serious significance and has a severe psychologically traumatizing effect on the victim and her close relations, including her husband. Chastity is traditionally considered one of the supreme virtues of women, to be safeguarded with the same diligence as their life. The screams and pleading of a young, attractive girl, whom three soldiers were trying to rape at gun point, still echoes in my ears. She fell at their feet and begged, %u2018Please, brother, shoot me, but don%u2019t do this%u2026%u2019 Fortunately for her, her pleading got through to an officer who took pity and let her go, after slapping her. A young rape victim in Tinnavelly immediately attempted to commit suicide by jumping into a well.
Loss of virginity in a young girl even if against her will, meant that she could not aspire to marriage in our society and if already married, there is a good chance that she will be abandoned. All rape victims are socially ostracized and this usually extends to the family also. It is not surprising that rape victims were not forthcoming to report such incidents and usually swallowed the suffering and injury silently.
RE:Nalinai's petition
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 07:26 PM Permalink
Rape became common in the context of total war as it obtained in the months of October to December (1987), when all the customary discipline and restraint operative in the army disappeared. As discussed earlier, there appears to have been a policy decision to apply terror in the face of early losses and frustration over the prolongation of the conflict. The public was seen as being too sympathetic to the Tigers, harbouring and helping them against the Indian army. Thus terror became an instrument of control, a punishment for the lack of support and a lesson to the public. The army hierarchical structure worked to allow the jawans to carry out the acts on their behalf, although at times lower-rank officers also vented their pent up frustration in this way. But rape was much more gruesome as it was aimed specifically at women. It was carried out with considerable brutality and impersonality, where the victims were publicly defeminised and destroyed.
Rape can be seen as a loss-event for the victim where she loses her trust in others, self-respect, sense of security, chastity and virginity, social identity and becomes liable to secondary victimization due to social norms and values. The psychological reactions to rape have been described as a three-stage phenomena with an initial state of %u2018shock and disbelief%u2019 with disruption of normal behaviour. This may be followed by feelings of guilt, self-blame, and physical complaints. If the resolution to the psychological trauma is in
RE:Nalinai's petition
by Rash Group on Apr 30, 2008 06:58 PM Permalink
Neither Staine's wife nor her relatives had a secret meeting with his killers either in India or elsewhere.
RE:Nalinai's petition
by Rash Group on Apr 30, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
A meeting is a meeting secret or otherwise which raises serious questions need to be answered.
RE:Nalinai's petition
by Rash Group on Apr 30, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
My question to Agni Putran: What if your wife or your parents or any other near or dear one of yours were among the 15 ppl who were killed along with Rajiv, will you still justify that killing? Please give an honest answer.
RE:RE:Nalinai's petition
by Imsai Arasan on Apr 30, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
We never justified the assasination. But, you cannot bring them back alive. This Nalini & co Should be punished. They should not be released. My question is how Sonia accountable for the murder as these idiots try to say
RE:Nalinai's petition
by Rash Group on Apr 30, 2008 07:08 PM Permalink
Sonia is accountable in the sense that why should she send her emissaries to meet the assassin living in a different country and why should her mother meet another person in that group? All those meetings were official and being published with photographs?
RE:Nalinai's petition
by Imsai Arasan on Apr 30, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
Indian Express is almost like mouth piece of BJP. Nobody in their right mind would believe the stories.
RE:Nalinai's petition
by Rash Group on Apr 30, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
The photographs has been published in Daily telegraph operating from London and 'The Island' from Srilanka? Do you think that a london based newspaper which has been there for 100 years is a bjp supporter?
RE:Nalinai's petition
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 07:08 PM Permalink
Dear Rash Group,
I am still a great follwer of our beloved Rajiv and i am not justifying his killing. But as an educated person,you have to analyse the root cause for any issue.
First answer my question: What if your wife or your parents or any other near or dear one of yours were among the 100's of innocent ppl who were killed by IPKF in srilanka, will you still justify that killings? Please give an honest answer.
RE:RE:Nalinai's petition
by Rash Group on Apr 30, 2008 07:14 PM Permalink
My question is were LTTE acting on their own or on somebody's behalf? What is the connection between Congress President's relatives and the killers and why should they meet in kilinochchi and in other places like London?
RE:RE:Nalinai's petition
by Bharat Kr on May 02, 2008 10:21 PM Permalink
Graham Stuart Staines case is personal case, its not national. Rajiv case is a national, he was ex-PM. It was an attack on the nation. His familys have no right to pardon the killers. Apply mind and logic, friend.
THis must have discussed and finalised when Priyanka met NAlini in Vellore Jail sometime earlier this month. Sonia can recommed to the court to release Nalini immediately, after all there is no big person as Sonia at the moment in the country
RE:Nalini
by Bharat Kr on May 02, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
Read the S Gurumurtys yesterdays article in ExpressIndia, Sonia LTTE link. Search in google Sonia LTTE link, you get the article.
The whole issue is stinking like a fish market. First the Italian offspring visits her in ( or may be outside) the jail. Then this petition. Who knows what transpired between them. Even God (if he is there) cant save this country. First can the govt enlighten us whether the meeting between the two was legal or illegal,where they met, inside or outside the jail,was there an escort when they met. A known LTTE sympathiser rules the state and what can we expect. I dont know whether the real person is in the jail or is it somebody else.
RE:Stinking
by mumbai on Apr 30, 2008 06:58 PM Permalink
Mr.Sun, What is the reason for you to write this message. why the country get affected and God ( you dont know whether God is there or not)should involve? It is natural for all prisoner to try for the release. If the release of a person is going to affect the country or society court is not going to release. what others have problem in it?
RE:RE:Stinking
by Sun on Apr 30, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
Mr. Mumbai,why dont you clear the doubts raised by me first. Was the meeting which took place legal. Where did they meet. Who was there. Were the prison rules followed......
RE:Stinking
by Indian on Apr 30, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
The meeting is illegal. Only the blood relations or the lawyers can meet the convicts.[as far as I know] Priyanka is not a Blood Relative and not a lawyer. If they have the power they can do whatever they want.
RE:Stinking
by Indian on Apr 30, 2008 07:41 PM Permalink
We can hope another MP in the near future. Congress, DMK, PMK will fight with each other to give seat to Nalini. Who knows she will be a Cabinet Minister also
The main reason behind rajiv's assasination was the attrocity of the IPKF in srilanka. As a woman, Sonia understood the feelings of nalini,(who was a mother of an infant during that time)and agreed to commute her death sentence though her husband murugan was hanged to death. why are u people imagining things so much here. U r worst than those politiicans and terrorists.
RE:Rajiv
by Rash Group on Apr 30, 2008 06:45 PM Permalink
What about the feelings of 15 other ppl who died along with Rajiv? In what way they are responsible for sending IPKF? What right has Sonia to pardon the criminals on their 'behalf'?
RE:Rajiv
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 06:51 PM Permalink
what about those hundreds of people killed and raped by IPKF???do u have any justification for that???though i was a great follower of Rajiv during that time,i could not completely ignore the sufferings of the srilankan people that caused by IPKF.
RE:Rajiv
by Sun on Apr 30, 2008 06:54 PM Permalink
The terrorist questions the patriotic army personnel of India. Do we need such criminals amidst us. Well of course he has got the CM who refused to receive and honour the army to rule him.
RE:RE:Rajiv
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 06:58 PM Permalink
Mr.sun..showing patrotism by raping innocent people in another country??recently our army men were caught in south africa for doing the same there!!b77ewhat a way to show patriotism?wonderful!!
RE:RE:RE:Rajiv
by Sun on Apr 30, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
And the UN refuted it saying that it was false news.I would rather beleive our army than terririst goons.
RE:RE:Rajiv
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 06:55 PM Permalink
I am not talking about the LTTE. what about those hundreds of innocent people killed and raped by IPKF
RE:Rajiv
by Sun on Apr 30, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
Hundreds of innocent people killed by the Indian army. Pure Goebbels propaganda by the LTTE blindly believed by their supporters in India.
RE:Rajiv
by agni putran on Apr 30, 2008 07:14 PM Permalink
Sun..if u dont beleive it, then search for attrocities and warcrimes by IPKF in wikipedia or even google.. u may get some answers.
Now some ppl are asking for a fresh probe into Rajiv's assassination. They are also adding that LTTE is not behind this. Is it a move to get the ban on LTTE lifted so that they can get all the logistics for their 'warfare' from here?
