RE:simple: check out the jails...
by Anand on Apr 30, 2008 06:33 AM Permalink
They are scared to their skin. How can they open their mouth. In Pakistan we are seeing countless honour murder of women, you do not know about that or are you acting? Any time there will be many to get out of the shackels of your religion. Either you muslim men are insecure or they do not have confidence or both of them.
RE:THROW RAPISTS TO TIGERS AND LIONS !!!
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 11:43 PM Permalink
We are now living in a civilized society (at least on paper). So we cannot implement such punishments like those who ruled the ancient Greece!
Chemical castraction seems to be more effective than the cruel punishment prescribed by you.
RE:THROW RAPISTS TO TIGERS AND LIONS !!!
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 11:52 PM Permalink
None of them can come back and save the women of our country. Why can't the living creatures like the Super PM, the President, Delhi CM, Ms. Sushma Swaraj, Ms. Renuka Choudhary, Ms. Vrinda Karat and such assorted worthes not do an ything for the betterment of women in our country?
RE:RE:THROW RAPISTS TO TIGERS AND LIONS !!!
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 11:54 PM Permalink
Remember Lord Acton's maxim: Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is the reason for the failure for such a lofty ideal like communism in less than 150 years!
RE:The root cause is the education!
by Pathak on Apr 29, 2008 11:36 PM Permalink
A while back somebody wrote this.
I just saw that South Africa has 21% of population affected by AIDS/HIV. Please see the numbers for other countries:
India : 0.9% Burma: 1.2% Nepal: 0.5% Canada: 0.3% France: 0.4% Now compare with Muslim countries: Indonesia: 0.1% Pakistan: 0.1% Tunisia: less than 0.1% Bangladesh: less than 0.1% Iran: less than 0.1% Saudi Arabia: 0.01% (ten times less)
What is the main reason for such a low percentage of population affected by AIDS?
Just think about it, just don't spit venom, think peacefully.
RE:The root cause is the education!
by Sharad on Apr 29, 2008 11:42 PM Permalink
Don't get off the topic. We are talking about LAWLESSNESS in the Capital. What else can we expect from a place where all the CORRUPT POLITICIANS have assembled? India is going downhill....... There cannot be a POSITIVE SPIN on this.
As with most parts of India, women are not respected. Male child is given higher preference than a girl, boys are given better food, then better opportunities and the list is endless. Woman in India is not respected as an individual -- she is only a possession. North India is well known for harboring such a bias. Violence against women , be it rape or wife-beating, wife-burning etc. is a direct consequence of a long list of inequality against women.
Making laws stricter is not enough. We need better enforcement and most of all, Indian males need to learn to respect women. India can never dream of being a developed country until 50% of our population participates without fear in the growth story that is India. No country has developed to become a superpower without participation of its womenfolk
RE:RE:Problem is with Indian mentality
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
Xourav GanguLee, you are just using intermperate language. What has it got to do with Punjabis? Why do you hate the Punjabis so much? They are brave men who work hard. You can see a large number of Punjabis in the armed forces also.
Anyway there is difference in the blood or Punjabis or any one else (there are only four blood groups - A, B, AB and O with RH postive of negative (of course there is one rare oneknown as "Bombay group" - this is indeed a blood group - not some abuse)
RE:Problem is with Indian mentality
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
Xourav GanguLee, I am not a Punjabi but I know for sure that the Punjabis are large hearted and brave people. I do not see people thru the prisom of caste, creed, colour, religion or region. I beleive in neo-humanism. You are just generalizing based on some preconceived notion.
RE:Problem is with Indian mentality
by Tamil natan on Apr 30, 2008 01:54 AM Permalink
punjabis - sikhs or hindus are wariors. Give them respect you bloody idiot.
RE:Problem is with Indian mentality
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 10:49 PM Permalink
Why this should happen in any society? After all it is a woman who gave birth and nourished to the men.
An old Tamil song roughly translates to "every child is good at birth, but it the way he is brought up by his mother that makes him good or bad" (entha kuzhanthayum nalla kuzhantha than mannil pirakkayile, avan nallavankathum theeyavanakathum annai valarthayile). So part of the blame naturally gets transferred to the woemn also. Instead of asking or giving "streedhanam, treat stree herself as the "dhanam". Ask the dowry seeker to get lost! (I will not give my daughter in marriage to a dowry seeker - let us all take such a stand)
RE:Problem is with Indian mentality
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 30, 2008 03:47 AM Permalink
Dowry seekers should be burned alive, just like they do to the bride who do4s not bring in enough or no Dowry. Few of them burned others will soon get the message. Or at the minimum do like they do in Punjab, beat the hell out of them when the barat arrives.
Our Super PM is a woman and the Delhi CM is a woman apart from assorted worthies like Ms. Renuka Choudhary, Ms. Vrinda Karat, Ms. Shushma Swarj, etc! Still this is the condition in NCT of Delhi. Great developement. India is indeed shining and growing at the rate of more than 10%.
Our antiquated legal system is the main culprit for increase in such henious crimes. The rapists should be chemically castracted so that no one will dare to outrage the modesty of women in our Country. Immediate steps needs to be taken to prevent recurrence of such crimes in our Country.
Mr Goodwill, It's people like "aamirkhan" below who start the blame-game. They'll needle and ensure that this discussion will definitely be anti-Muslim. Don't blame me if it goes that way!
RE:Mr Goodwill, see who's starting the war of words?
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 30, 2008 03:50 AM Permalink
One dirty fish walks in on the discussion and makes the whole pond dirty Julius don't worry.
RE:Mr Goodwill, see who's starting the war of words?
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 08:49 PM Permalink
Mr. Julius I saw the first comment written by Mr. Amir Khan, in that he has no way targetted any community or group, he blamed the alcohol in his first comment. I guess you are the one wrote about superiority complex, Is that Right?
RE:Mr Goodwill, see who's starting the war of words?
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
Did u see my reply? Did I blame Muslims or Islam there? Why did start blaming non-Muslims?
Right, It's not just Islam that prohibits it. The problem with u Muslims is that, u link everything good to Islam and pointing all evils to others. You people have issue linking all aspects of life to Islam religion.
RE:Mr Goodwill, see who's starting the war of words?
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 09:20 PM Permalink
I guess if you could just have said the second comment it would have been the best in the world. I agree with you that its not just Islam there.
I see no reason why did you right the first comment about being superiority complex. I am not trying to take his side in anyways, but I see that he did not blame other religions in the first place.
RE:Mr Goodwill, see who's starting the war of words?
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
Dude, u need not say things explicitly. Phrase "Superiority Complex" is not blaming Islam. But, he proved that he meant to blame non-Muslims by his reply.
RE:RE:Mr Goodwill, see who's starting the war of words?
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 09:33 PM Permalink
Jelius, are you so ignorant? Those who do not beleive in the "most merciful allah and his last poppat" are owners of hell fire. So abut 83% of the world's population will burn in hell for ever as per the scheme of things of the "most merciful allah"!!!!!!
RE:Mr Goodwill, see who's starting the war of words?
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 29, 2008 08:40 PM Permalink
If you think that disscussion is steering away from the main point or is abusive to some one or some one religion or belief,USE the abuse button. Thats what it there for. execpt when the rediff staff wants to see debaters fighting then they disable the Abuse button. I use it so can YOU.
its a bad intoxicant when consumed breaks the cells connected to brain and one will not know what will be his attitude .thats why most rapes ,murders ,accidents occur under influence of alchohol
RE:alchohol is root cause ,look islam rightly prohibits it
by aamirkhan on Apr 29, 2008 08:21 PM Permalink
idiot hindus and christans owns bars every where with gods photos hanging on it .they perform pooja before they commence the buisness
RE:alchohol is root cause ,look islam rightly prohibits it
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 08:31 PM Permalink
Really? I heard that opium is worse than alchohol and Afghanistan and Pukistan are the world's major producers. They grow opium in the fields right behind the mosques.
RE:alchohol is root cause ,look islam rightly prohibits it
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 08:20 PM Permalink
By the way, these r*p1sts don't follow any religion. If they did, they would not be criminals like this.
RE:alchohol is root cause ,look islam rightly prohibits it
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 29, 2008 08:37 PM Permalink
aamirkhan Rape does not only happen when the person is under the influence of intoxicants,it happens even a person is sober and free of intoxicants and is in perfect frame of mind.
RE:alchohol is root cause ,look islam rightly prohibits it
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 08:59 PM Permalink
Yeah thats right it does not just happen because of intoxication.
RE:RE:alchohol is root cause ,look islam rightly prohibits it
by JGN on Apr 29, 2008 09:22 PM Permalink
I recollect something like written on the walls of an old Irani beer bar in Mumbai (writing from memory):
Those who drinks, get asleep Those who gets asleep, does not sin Those who does not sin goes to heaven So let us all drink and go to heaven!
RE:alchohol is root cause ,look islam rightly prohibits it
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 30, 2008 03:51 AM Permalink
Yes I have read that in a London bar as well.
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 08:08 PM Permalink
Its a pity to see your comments Mr Julius and MR Tali, the topic we are discussing is Rape and how to prevent them and commends to you that even this you can bring in Hindus and Muslims for a fight. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 08:16 PM Permalink
Good Will, my friend, Calm down. Let's just analyze. As I said above, I'll not mention any groups. But, what is special about Delhi or Punjab in Pukistan?
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 08:21 PM Permalink
You tell me I dont have a clue. If you are so worried please dont your community to the Gulf countries, if you think Muslims are the ones who are creating problems
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 08:26 PM Permalink
I didn't say it's Muslims doing r@pes. Why are u so defensive for no reason? I said it's the Mughal tradition. All Muslims are not Mughals, right!?
By the way, u mentioning about some people going to Gulf, it's the poverty or their personal problems driving them there. It's like asking, why do Muslims migrate to USA/Australia/England even when they whine that West is warring with them?
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 08:40 PM Permalink
Well I still dont see things connected to Mughal traditions as well? I see these problems as the things done by sick mind. What it has to do with any religion, Can you pin-point that any person other than the Muslim religion was never involved in any rape case ever.
There is absolute no problem people going to gulf countries to earn money. I said that to make you understand that there is a Muslim country with muslim laws which has prospered, for you were trying to blame muslims as rapist.
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 09:10 PM Permalink
India has been always invaded its a pity, Even the Aryan's they were not original inhabitants, they came from outside, they were the initial settlers and they never went back, than there were the Muslim rulers, they also came and ruled and settled down, than India was ruled for 200 years by White Europeans I guess they are the ones who took all our wealth away and left us with nothing.
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 08:47 PM Permalink
As I said above, I never said that Muslims are r@pists in Delhi. Of-course irrespective of their religion, barbarians commit these heinous crimes. But, throughout the history, Mughal invaders always used rape as their terror tactic when they invaded a new place. It has been documented throughout and u can Google it if interested. If u r in denial, i don't care.
RE:RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 29, 2008 08:33 PM Permalink
What about rest of the world rape happens everywhere and were they all a Muslim capitals.
RE:RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 29, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink
What about rest of the world rape happens everywhere and were they all a Muslim capitals.
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 08:06 PM Permalink
Correction in the above statement.
Is India prosperous like the Guld country, If not why do you send thousands and millions of Indian workers to work there, they are ones who provide jobs to millions of workers in India.
And Mr Julius I think bulk of the people who go there are Mallyali, Goan's and keralities, they are majority. So Mr Julius before blaming any tradition try also to think what benefits you have got from them
You people will always will blame hindus and muslims never will will look at who are the ones raping Hindu country I am guessing it must not be the muslims since it is a Hindu country. Is that right?
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Julius on Apr 29, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
Let me just agree with you for the heck of it. But why Delhi? Why not Mumbai/Chennai/Kolkata/Bagalore etc. Also in Pukistan, these cases are highest in Punjab. Not in Sindh or other areas. Any clue?
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 30, 2008 04:00 AM Permalink
Why not Mumbai/Chennai/Kolkata/Bagalore because there The police (although just as corrupt as any other part of the country) know that if we keep the crime down in public then no one will point a figure at them. That is the rule of every police force and government in the world. The public like to see visually that something is being done and not on papers. Keep the streets clean and free frpm potjoles and in the process funnel millions of rupees to your swiss account no one will care all the public want is Clean and safe roads and they are getting them. Seeing is beliving That is the reason why Mumbai/Chennai/Kolkata/Bagalore etc have less crime.
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by jameel ahmed on Apr 30, 2008 01:37 AM Permalink
I just saw that South Africa has 21% of population affected by AIDS/HIV. Please see the numbers for other countries:
India : 0.9% Burma: 1.2% Nepal: 0.5% Canada: 0.3% France: 0.4% Now compare with Muslim countries: Indonesia: 0.1% Pakistan: 0.1% Tunisia: less than 0.1% Bangladesh: less than 0.1% Iran: less than 0.1% Saudi Arabia: 0.01% (ten times less)
What is the main reason for such a low percentage of population affected by AIDS?
Just think about it, just don't spit venom, think peacefully.
RE:We are becoming like a Muslim counrty
by Good Will on Apr 29, 2008 08:01 PM Permalink
what does it have to do with a muslim country. Its a shame in every respect you have to do is blame a muslim country. Look at your own black patches try to resolve them befor blaming anyone else my friend, I am really ashamed at your comments.
Is India prosperous like the Guld countries, why do you people thousand of workers to other other country when your own country cannot provide homes to millions people.
