Go to North you can find Kerala Samajams, tamil or telugu associations, go to south you may find a Bengali or Gujarati or a Oriya association. Karnataka is perhaps the only state you find Kannada Sanghas. Why these people have this feature? Probably out of a feeling of insecurity in their own state or due to an inherent character of Inferiority complex. Their Kannada fanatic leaders seems to be doing worse by raging passions and crucifying them further in to depths of Inferiority complex.
RE:Inferiority complex
by Adarsh Manvikar on Apr 29, 2008 09:27 AM Permalink
Bro, KA is a state where we have shown a lot of tolerance towards ppl from outside coming and settling down here! What is your problem if we make sanghas or kannada drama troops for that matter? why dont u stick to ur own business? everyone has the right to be proud of thier culture and language! it doesnt mean that other cultures are bad o somethin! if we all stick to minding our own business, that is, being proud of our respective culture, without abusing anyone else's culture, India would be peaceful!
RE:Inferiority complex
by Wellwisher on Apr 29, 2008 09:34 AM Permalink
Well, forming samajams or associations is a way of staying aloof, a sense of insecurity. Kannada people all over have integrated with the local communities, it is very difficult to distinguish them from the local community. They are in a very large number in TN, AP, Kerala and Maharashtra. Have you ever heard of them creating trouble or being troubled like Tamilians or North Indians?
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by Sharad on Apr 29, 2008 03:56 AM Permalink
If you are learning languages for LEARNING and USING IT BENEFICIALLY in your life, it is OK. Everybody who is going to school CAN LEARN 3 languages. You can even enforce it. People who have migrated from other places for work cannot be forced to learn because some leaders FEELS CHAUVANISTIC. INDIA IS A FREE COUNTRY.
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by Vishnu Sharma on Apr 29, 2008 05:51 AM Permalink
Be a sport. Learning one more language will not burden your intellect. In fact it will bring to light the underlying unity of all Indian Languages. I am surprised that people simple do not see the bare fact that there are many words in Kannada that are spoken in Hindi also.
One should not be so parochial as to not venture out of the HINDI Box.
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Apr 29, 2008 05:57 AM Permalink
good and all Hindi speaking people should be made to learn a South Indian language. What is good for the goose is good for the gander too.
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
I second you on that mate! That is really the way to go! We reside in any state, we've got to make an effort and learn that language and its subtleties. By the way, most Indian languages are derived from Sanskrit, and they have a lot of commonality in their words!
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by R Tyagi on Apr 29, 2008 06:43 AM Permalink
Mr Sharma,
Perhaps you would like to consider situation of a person who gets transferred every three years and the whole family moves. Do you expect a person to learn the language while he is supposed to be working? And what about the children, what kind of academics would you expect from a student who in kindergarten was taught in bengali, from first to third in telugu, fourth to sixth in marathi, and then had to learn hindi as well? All because the parent's job is transferable.
State boards were constituted for teaching and promoting regional culture. Central boards should not be brought under ambit of such schemes wherein medium of instruction keep changing. At least they should have a choice, which language the child should be taught in. It is prerogative of parents and not government to decide language of children and should be left with them alone.
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by Vishnu Sharma on Apr 29, 2008 08:23 AM Permalink
We can make an exception in the case of transferable jobs. But if a NorthIndian has relocated to any state in the SOUTH for 5 years. It is his duty to pickup the language of which ever state he has relocated to in the SOUTH.
In the same way it is the duty of a South Indian who has settled in the North or the East for more than 5 years to learn Hindi or Bengali.
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by Sharad on Apr 29, 2008 09:08 AM Permalink
You are theoretical. People, when they move from one place to another, learn the language by passage of time. Like I said, you can have a policy for schools, NOT FOR ADULTS. It is their choice.
RE:The three language formuala is the best.
by mahabodhi on Apr 29, 2008 12:41 PM Permalink
@mr. vishnu sharma has given his preference 1The three language formuala is the best. by Vishnu Sharma on Apr 29, 2008 03:21 AM | Hide replies
Know English, Hindi and the regional language The Three Language Formula has already been in practice during Congress Indiara Gandhi Days!of the state you are residing in.
He prefers first 1English 2.Hindi 3.Regional language Who started the Hindi agiatation in In North!Now it is good to note that those who were agaiting against English are giving it First prefernce ! The three language formula has already been in practice since Indiara Gandhi Days!Now all stae Govt.'s has made it conpulsory the knowledge of State Language up to 10 class!Now state languages will thrive and make their impact on history of the modern World!
we are indians just love to hate locals of any other place. because u wil be immigrating to other place with good profile job, and majority locals will do all kind of job . so we always have distinguishing based on their profile. this is not just bangalore problem. its we indians problem. Try to get answer in english a person reading english paper in chennai street, u wont get. but they write big lecture in rediff forum. its not just for chennai, its every where in india. because we are all same. we never change. from 5000 years of history we lived with pieces of kingdoms.
RE:we never change
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 01:17 AM Permalink
So what's the point? Are you ascertaining that it is high time we should change the way we think, or are you ascertaining that it will always be like this.. we never change?
Only 36% of Bangaloreans are kannadigas(yeah this includes Tulu and marathi ones)
64% of Bangaloreans are non-kannadigas!!!
- So you want everyone to speak Kannada? - Even Kannadigas are learning Hindi as 1st language and are neglecting their monther tougue - Karnataka is neglecting Tulu Language! and of course does not care for the marathi speaking north-karnataka - Apart fro Bangalore(which is run by non-kannadigas), Karnataka does not know to develop any region! - Its not surprising it is the least developed state in South India!
RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 02:34 AM Permalink
chalo.. me sleeps.. have a great time figuring out the truth. Dont have an assumption and then try your might to stick to such frivolous "facts"! You've got google too. Try and base your opinions from authentic sources! No ill-feelings mate! Good night! :)
RE:Food for thought!
by Guru on Apr 29, 2008 07:59 AM Permalink
Guys, please stop fighting. Our country is divided on the basis of language for administrative easiness only. It is not meant to divide us. Let us be proud of our diverse culture and languages. Please please my brothers let us stay united and contribute in some way to develop our country as a whole.
RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 12:54 AM Permalink
Could you please elaborate on all the 4 points? Backed with data? Everybody knows empty vessels make more noise..
RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 02:23 AM Permalink
You call this data- - Even Kannadigas are learning Hindi as 1st language and are neglecting their monther tougue - Karnataka is neglecting Tulu Language! and of course does not care for the marathi speaking north-karnataka - Apart fro Bangalore(which is run by non-kannadigas), Karnataka does not know to develop any region! - Its not surprising it is the least developed state in South India!
RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
I just posted the same mate.. i wish I could post the references.. site addresses... Could you please post your mail id?
RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 01:05 AM Permalink
By the way, whoever told you that wikipedia is the most authentic sources of data such as you are coming up with. I can update it myself telling what I think is true, or worse, maliciously propagating a lie. Oh yeah, I can take you along for a tour of Karnataka, just to prove every point you made to be untrue. And I wont force upon you any ideas. You make the judgement call.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 01:08 AM Permalink
PS: I am not contesting the percentage of kannadigas in Bangalore. I am contesting on these 4 points- - Even Kannadigas are learning Hindi as 1st language and are neglecting their monther tougue - Karnataka is neglecting Tulu Language! and of course does not care for the marathi speaking north-karnataka - Apart fro Bangalore(which is run by non-kannadigas), Karnataka does not know to develop any region! - Its not surprising it is the least developed state in South India!
RE:Food for thought!
by TheSoutherner on Apr 29, 2008 01:14 AM Permalink
Ok here we go...
Unlike other states, Karnataka is not a single language state... The whole of Mangalore region speaks Tulu ..SO the question- WHat is KN doing to preserve Tulu language. Kannada is mandatory in Tulu region.
The same goes for Marathi speaking north karnataka!
Can you enlighten me on, the great cities of Karnatake(apart from Bangalore/mysore) ...and why they are famous for??? (I am taking about development)
AP, TN and kerala are far ahead of KN, on Human development index, literacy, economy(may be kerala is behind, but it has more cities than KN)..the point is take out Bangalore from KN, and there is NO economics to speak of in KN!! unlike other south indian states!
RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 02:04 AM Permalink
hopefully rediff doesn't block this message! I already posted tow messages which, rediff thought were abusive..
RE:Food for thought!
by S J on Apr 29, 2008 03:32 AM Permalink
You are so ignorant about Karnataka. I am from North Karnataka and speak only Kannada at home. So do most people with the exception of one city called Belgaum, where some people speak marathi at home. Karnataka has rich cities both in South and in the Northern parts. To name a few Mysore (it is a top tier 2 city in india) , Hubli , Davangere, Shimoga and Karwar. Again I cant believe how ignorant you are. Kannadigas are proud of their culture, while fully appreciating that their are other languages and cultures that deserve all the respect.
If TN and Kerala are so great (with due respect to them). why dont people just stay in the state? The fact of the matter is Kerala does not have any jobs (no fault of the malyalis, just the communist government), and TN is too hostile with its linguistic barriers even to the most open minded Indians. I have stayed in both these states and I appreciate a lot that is good about them. However, there is no reason for you to trash karnataka. If you dont like it, you are free to be in Chennai :)
RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
By the way, there is a book called India-2008, released by the Govt. of India. I have a copy of the same with me, but am unable to place the site name. It is published by "Publications Division, Ministry of Information and Broadcasting". Some of the useful stats can be found there. This is for your reference and if you wish to cross verify your "data". Please post your references too.
RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 01:29 AM Permalink
Your are the ones coming up with the figure.. so please enlighten me with your references. I still dont see you posting your references here. Should I presume all those statistics were made up on the fly?
RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
Oh cool .. its the links i posted which were dis-allowed.. Have a look at macroscan dot org. also search for India book 2008. I wrote a couple of longish replies detailing and countering each of your deductions..
RE:RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 02:26 AM Permalink
Its akin to saying- I ve got a wh0*e(atleast) on my side. keep it man, if it makes you feel "non empty". :D
RE:Food for thought!
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 02:17 AM Permalink
In the same wikipedia of yours search for karnataka.. you will read enough about its cities and what they are famous for.. None of them, I assure you, are as famous as the metros.. But there are no two metros in a single state!
Second, Tell me what you know of NK. except for Belgaum, there is no other town/city in NK which has a sizable population of Marathi speakers.. And you say all of NK is predominantly Marathi speaking! How naive of you!
Third, Karnataka has more than one language.. true.. But so do other states too! Maharashtra has a sholapur which has a sizable population of kannada speakers, same is the case with Mantralaya in AP, and kasargod in Kerala. And I am mentioning only the prominent places.. And to think that you don't know about your own state mocks of lack of enough knowledge on the subject you are arguing. Anyway, tlel me what are these states doing to preserve the language in thee place i mentioned?? And if you are one of those arrogant tams, hey man, chill, have a look at your own backyard.. :)
Third.. search for the HDI and SDP indexes for the southern states.. your proclaimed data is incongruent with the known facts.
RE:Food for thought!
by Ashok Shet on Apr 29, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
Sorry for your half knowledge, Hindi is not first language in Karnatka, Check with Education Department in Bangalore before making the Statment.
1. Congress has a 10% lead over the BJP and expected to have more than a comfortable majority. (Cong 41%, BJP 30.5%, JD(S) 22.5)
2. Though the state appear to have a multi-polar contest among Cong, BJP and JD(S), in majority of seats, effectively it is a a bi-polar fight that puts BJP into a disadvantage. The JD(S) trailing the BJP by 7% vote share, may end up close to the seat tally of the BJP as their votes are concentrated giving them a higher strike rate.
3. The BJP is poised to be decimated in Bangalore and suffer major losses in the coastal belt. In North Karnataka, the BJP holds the edge but expected to suffer minor erosion in its vote share. There is evidence that the Lingayat base of the BJP showing signs of strain.
4. The share of other parties like SP, JD(U), BSP comes down to around 6-7%.
Watch CNN-IBN Tuesday, 29th April, 2008 9.30 pm for details
Reading all the messages I am totally disturbed. It looks like India is already divided and there's no need to divide it. Its a bomb that can explode any day. The rulers (Invaders - Mughals, British, French, Portuguese) took advantage of this limitation of ours and exploited us for over 400 years. If this is the kind of thinking that a person calls himself/herself a kannadiga (or any other regional language) before he calls him(her)self a human being then the state of affairs is very bad and the time is not very far when the unity in diversity will remain only in name and India might become another example of disintegration over trivial issues like the USSR. Very sorry to read the comments to Mr. U R Ananthamurthy's interview. Ancient India was famous for its logic, tolerance, open-mindedness and acceptance of a world view. But as time has gone by the views have got more and more fanatic and fundamentalistic in nature. If this continues it will only end at the nadir of disintegraion of a legacy of 5000 years. The oldest civilisation is working against itself.
RE:Totally Disturbed
by Balaji Chandrasekaran on Apr 29, 2008 12:36 AM Permalink
I am with you buddy. India might have become powerful, more literate but definitely not any better when it comes to sane thinking. Where has all the love and affection we had for other ppl gone. Do we not belong to the same country. Atleast now let us bury this regionalism, linguistic fanatism and hypocrisy and surge ahead as one nation.
RE:Totally Disturbed
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 12:35 AM Permalink
India was never one, politically, apart from when by force.. It was one socially, and culturally. It's not about Kannada.. Anybody who stays in a different state (for a duration exceeding a year or so) MUST try and learn some of the local language.. At the least, (s)he should be able to converse in the local language.
RE:Totally Disturbed
by Jigyasu on Apr 29, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
Socially and culturally one... yes thats exactly what i meant. Thats the meaning of the phrase "Unity in Diversity" - Diversity in cultures. You are absolutely right when you say that we should learn a language if we have stayed at a place for a while. I feel this language learning exercise should be seen as an expansion of our knowledge-base and not as if we are forced to learn an alien language. At the end of the day a language is only a medium of communication. Therefore, no language can be characterised as universally great or lowly. Language like religion, marriage, personal habit patterns etc. is an extremely personal choice. If somebody finds Kannada interesting let him/her learn it... on the other hand if someone else adores German let him/her study that. One language is better than the other is just a personal inclination. As all the languages are invented (??) by humans so choose anything to speak (of course the other person should also know the same language:-)). Thats what I mean by freedom and tolerance towards one another. Why should it become a matter of debate?
