It is quite unlikely that Manmohan will return as PM after the election. The next person to be PM will be the 15th one.Besides,election is for the 15th lok sabha. Mayawati was born on 15th. We know that 15 adds up to 6(1 5=6) At present,as far as I know,there is no possible prime ministerial aspirant who has this "triple 15″! India has so far got 14 prime ministers.But,so far, none with birth number 3 or 6 has become the PM. Another important prime ministerial aspirant is Pawar,whose birth number is 3. Will the jinx of number 3 or 6 be nullified this time and one whose birth number is 3/6 be sworn in as PM? If so,Mayawati has more chances.Since her birth number is 6 she is influenced by numbers 3,6 and 9. As the birth number is 6,Mayawati is influenced by numbers 3,6 and 9.At the first time,she was sworn in as chief minister onJune 3.For the second time,it was on March 21(2 1=3).For the 3rd time,it was on May 3.At the time of becoming CM for the 4th time she was 51 years old. My best political prediction based on numerology was about the outcome of 13th lok sabha election.That was published in THE NEW INDIAN EXPRESS DAILY dated May 17,1999.Please read:- NO 13 lucky for Atalji! Kochi:The number 13 has scared the life out of many.But it seems to have a saving grace as far as Prime Minister Atalji is concerned.This interesting find comes from Mr MK Damodaran who is passionately involved with numerology.(not complete for want of space)
Mayawathi has achieved her ascendancy in UP because of the dissilusionment of the masses with all the previous governments - they have promised much more than they have been able to deliver and the electorate comprising all castes has decided to ditch them if only to teach them a lesson ! The really poor and the dispossesed have been treated shabbily by those in power - you have only to read SHANTARAM by Gregory David Roberts to know how some of the thakurs brutalised the socalled Dalits . India is cursed by its citizens being preoccupied with it.Will God ever bless a country where some of His children look down on His other children ? Touching on a completely different subject -why are the popular film stars allowed to hog almost all the advertisements ? It appears as if the advertising agencies are devoid of any originality of ideas to promote their products.The subsequent amassing of wealth by film stars only perpetuates and increases the disparity between the very rich and the very poor in India.This must definitely lead to frustration among the dispossessed - one of the reasons why the so called Maoists are swelling their ranks by garnering the support of the locals.Many would not want to accept this view but just see what happened in Nepal - the GOI was surprised by this turn of events but a similar scenario is developing in India - there are none so blind as those who will not see ! Will the advertising agencies read this message and take note ?
RE:Popular Film Stars Dominating Advertisements
by Kris iyer on Apr 27, 2008 08:49 AM Permalink
Ramchunder, For a variety of reasons, U.P. has lagged behind, although it is so near New Delhi. For centuries it had been exploited by whichever "empire" was in the area. Even the "Amethi" constituency that had elected the Nehru family members for years, is not really as developed as the least developed constituency in Gujarath or Punjab. Political parties spend too much time "manipulating castes", against each other. The most open example was V.P. Singh - he went the whole way. Unfortunately, he unleashed a caste genie that cannot be easily put back in the bottle. In other words, "Divide and Rule" is the main political device in India today. No time left for REAL work of development. Dalits WERE ill-treated is a fact. But you need to visit India to observe that the voting power of the Dalits has given them REAL power. No point in keeping 1940s and 1950s as the reference points in assessing the position of the Dalits today. The other point you are making is interesting. India is obsessed with money, movies, women and cricket. You cannot blame the advertising agencies for exploiting these obsessions.
RE:Popular Film Stars Dominating Advertisements
by Kris iyer on Apr 27, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
Ramchundar, In India, you can separate every centre of influence or centre of "opinion-making" into "A DIVIDER" and "A UNITER". There is a third category of individuals, "DISRUPTERS" - you will find them in every Indian office, organisation - they are tolerated in India in a way no other country does. We have some bloody-minded people who support such disrupters. India may suffer the most damage to public property than any other country in the world. That is how unruly we are. Media won't publish statistics on buses burnt etc. Caste-awareness is so strong that most political parties play on it. The one party that tried to unite Hindus, over-coming caste barriers, the BJP, unfortunately got into a mess with "Ayodhya" issue. Strangely, if you seek to unite Hindus, that is communalism and any political party that does it is a "communal force". The Congress and Samajwadi parties posture a lot about "casteless" society but what they do in action is to exploit caste. But the media here has not got the intelligence or will to investigate and expose the so-called "secular" parties, which are in practice, "Caste parties". The English language media sticks to this platform of "secular" and "communal" parties - they won't investigate this division. Incidentally, the muslim-only parties are "secular" for this media. That is how perverted they are. Our entire public debate in India takes place on a number of such distorted platforms. Amazing the little progress that is made.
RE:Popular Film Stars Dominating Advertisements
by Ramchunder Maraj on Apr 27, 2008 01:37 PM Permalink
Thanks ! Kris Iyer for your detailed and thought provoking response.India is indeed in a mess! Do you have any ideas about how things can be sorted out ? I agree with you that the media is partly responsible for this sad state of affairs.One of the major newspapers purporting to represent the whole of India has not published any of my messages highlighting their spinelessness ! Would a newspaper financed by the intelligentsia and NRIs make any impact on a nation obsessed with filmstars and their shenanigans ? As I have mentioned earlier , it is a case of all the Neros in India playing their fiddles while their Rome is burning.How the Chinese must be rubbing their hands in glee as they prepare to seize the whole of northern India while the Indians are lulled into stupefaction with their song and dance (mostly of the " naanga natch" version )obsession !
RE:Popular Film Stars Dominating Advertisements
by Kris iyer on Apr 30, 2008 04:57 PM Permalink
Ramchunder, There is scope for NRIs to enter the English language media. But it has to be a small start, targetting a very specific audience, offering good comparative essays - providing information from abroad that Indian newspapers are not good at. The Hindu, one of our left-wing newspapers [ which won't publish any letters contrary to its ideology - it does not believe in freedom of expression in the same way as Western newspapers ] started a magazine called, "Front Line". It has not done well, because readers could see that they are brain-washing. Your second point abt the quality of Indian movies is also valid. I feel sick at times even to catch a glimpse of the same type of "nanga natch" that is part of every movie here. The dead-habits of our producers, directors and even, song-writers are the reasons why Indian movies have not had such success in other cultures. The story-line is very predictable, the songs are full of words like "mohabbath" "taqdeer" "aank" and so on. If you collect those words and put them through a computer programme you can come up with about 5,000 different songs. Compare these with the songs of a film like "Siddharth" produced by a German director but in Hindi, you will know the difference. Bollywood and Kollywood have reduced the intelligence of our people by about 40%.
Reservation is a good thing, it makes the Indian democracy available to the majority people rather than just the Arabic migrant class - upper caste elites.
Mayawati is a phenomenon. She is still in the early stages. She may be only in a position to decide things about PM in the near future. But in the long run, she must become the PM herself. Dark skinned and oppressed native Indians may feel confident only then.
I apologise for coming back again, on this subject. The reason: Right now, in the southern districts of TamilNadu, life has come to a standstill. All shops are shut, may be also schools, may be some factories also. Perhaps, ordinary people of all castes are unable to find any transport to go to work. Hospitals may find doctors are unable to attend. It is too dangerous to drive around in your car, because large number of "hot heads" are waiting around to burn your car, with you and your wife inside it. Why, what is happening? Someone had damaged the statute of "Muthu Ramalinga Thevar", an important leader of the Thevar and Maravar communities. These were the castes that supplied most of the soldiers to the Pandiyan and Chola kings of the past. I expect in the "Reservation Raj", they woiuld be considered either BC or OBC. Some Dalits do not like them. In the past, there had been clashes between the two communities. But, of late, the Dalits have had the upper-hand. Because of the deep-set "casteist thinking", the Dalits are now out "to teach the Thevars a lesson for their past behaviour". So, "let us damage the statue of their leader to humiliate them". Now how long can this go on? Rationality is a must in any productive human enterprise. Politics cannot be an exception. The tragedy is that with every election, caste is reinforced. Past friends from different castes become enemies. Erect statues, then damage them, then fight. What wins, who loses?
Hearing that Mayawati supports reservation based on "poverty", irrespective of caste, I felt that she would make a good PM for our country. She is a "uniter" NOT a "divider". Too many politicians are running politics as a business - the main capital for it is "caste" - Use Caste, then "Divide and Rule". The question for all Indians: "How long can we run our politics anchored to caste - special privileges for certain castes - without any attempt to work for economic and educational betterment for the country as a whole? Other irrationalities: In TamilNadu a whole generation of Tamil politicians have become very very rich using this Aryan-Dravidian theory - Aryans are bad people, Dravidians are good. The theory is suspect, in any case. But even if it is true, there is no way anyone can ever prove which Indian is Aryan and which one is "Dravidian" - it is NOT dependent upon skin colour, see. Sadly, many Tamils have an inferiority complex about their dark complexion. In current Tamil movies you will find the heroine always to be fair (usually, brahmin-looking) while the hero is dark (usually, looks like a handsome auto-ricksaw driver). A Freudian interpretation of this wd be: A deep libidinous desire to bridge fair and dark - where fair shd be only female and dark shd be only male. It is never the other way around. Most Tamil politicians are married to "fair" women, many of brahmin caste. Some churches here have paid up to 3 lakhs to Xians who married Tamil brahmin girls.
RE:Mayawati and Rationality in Indian Politics
by Kris iyer on Apr 24, 2008 09:19 PM Permalink
CONT'D: This obsession with skin colour shows in terms of this Aryan-Dravidian theory, in terms of denying something to people of "fair colour" - almost an instant anger and dislike of people with fairer complexion. Hence, this strong support for reservation. Yet, there is this deep, Freudian desire to connect with that fair skin, especially, in its female form.
There is no archaeological evidence for an "Aryan invasion". No literary references at all, in Sanskrit or in Tamil to any invasion or wars between Aryans and Dravidians. As I said, I do not know what relevance this "Aryan" theory can have after nearly 2 to 3 thousand years. Why create confusion now about something that goes back in time for that long? Are there special blood tests to prove "Aryan" and "Dravidian". If so, are you then going to say, only "Dravidians" get reservation and "Aryans" don't. That will be a nice one for the S.Ct, won't it? Arjun Singh may not like it, because he looks quite fair to me. BY Nanchil's test, he wd be an "Aryan". On this theory, the DK and DMK, have attacked Sanskrit (The Aryan language), Hinduism (the Aryan religion) and Tamil Brahmins (the Aryans of TNadu) - they are yet to pronounce on whether Islam and Christianity are also Aryan religions. The DMK would have eliminated from the state almost all brahmins in another 20 years time - it wd be an unique achievement in India. Muslims have replaced brahmins in many Tamil villages. Some of them speak Urdu, not Tamil.
RE:Mayawati and Rationality in Indian Politics
by Manjula A on Apr 25, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
The so called Dravidian parties are a small part of a big Aryanist conspiracy. They have no soft corner for Native Indians and the stupidest of things is that they are not even ready to call the native Indians, Native Indians to begin with. They go with this stupid term called 'Dravid" which was invented by the Aryans themselves. That proves their being hand in glove with them.
RE:Mayawati and Rationality in Indian Politics
by Sahadevan KK on Apr 26, 2008 10:44 AM Permalink
My dear comrade sister Manjula is the best example of casteism gone wild. According to her theory, there is only one Native Indian -- herself. All others are Aryan and foreigner. Therefore Manjula should be made Prime Minister. Or even better Empress of India. This is why she is not happy with Sonia, who is already Empress.
RE:Mayawati and Rationality in Indian Politics
by Manjula A on Apr 26, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
Hi Rajeev, I am happy that you've started reading articles written by others too. But when will you come out of your feudal mentality. Believe me I like Mayawati and Laalooji very much. Both of them are so dark in colour, and can't speak Sanskrit and English. Believe me they are Indians, just like Birsa Munda. Really. Please Rajeev.
RE:Mayawati and Rationality in Indian Politics
by Sahadevan KK on Apr 26, 2008 04:41 PM Permalink
My dear comrade Manjula, has there been a delay in the payments from Beijing or from the DMK? Please let me know, so that I can help you. I am concerned that you are off your medicine. Your paranoid delusions are showing.
Mayawathi has very bright prospect of the future PM of India as she broght in real integration of the people of Utter Pradesh causing natural justice and fairplay by alloting seats in Assembly in proportion to the populaion caste/religion wise. If the same strategy is repeated in Lok Sabha elections, she is sure to become the PM replacing the UPA.cxWH
RE:Maya Rules
by hanek singh on Apr 22, 2008 11:35 PM Permalink
ONLY CORRUPTION AND CASTE RULES IN ULTA PRADESH .THE MOST NEGLECTED PEOPLE LIVE THERE. NO BODY CAN IMPROVE UP AS LONG AS PEOPLE CONTINUE TO ELECT CORRUPT AND CASTIEST.
RE:Maya Rules
by rahul perfect on Apr 23, 2008 03:28 PM Permalink
how is she getting selected thr again and again. she is handling in many cases and then also she is the cm of uttar pradesh . how the hell she can be that post. its democracy.
The Chief Minister is a very tacit politician and strategist. But so was Mr Mulayam Singh when he came to power some years ago.
However the state of the down trodden and the poor masses of UP continues to be struggle with hardly any sign of improvement when countrymen elsewhere in India are basking in the glory of high single digit growth.
It is the size of the state which is to be blamed. No human being is capable of managing almost a country (size of England and population of 3 Euro nations) without the wherewithall of administrative set up.
UP's CM's are continuously embroiled in politics of numbers and deceit. Leaders continue to flog the caste game & push the poor & illetrate masses into further gloom.
And why shd it not. The CM work's overtime to protect its numbers for survival. With hardly any pockets of economic activity favouring the people, it is only dilution of public funds and brow beating the business classes has become the game of UP's politicians.
It is high time the state is further bifurcated into atleast three segments - one as Jatland (present North UP) and other as Bhojpur (to consist parts of East UP and North Bihar) and third one as Bundelkhand (consist of regions of Jhansi and North MP and East Rajasthan)
The current requirment of governance is to manage efficiently and with cost effective means. This is only acheived if the CM can have control over its environs.
Smaller states would entail devolution of resources all through.
RE:RE:Modi
by Manjula A on Apr 22, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
True that only Modi has the potential to take on Mayawati, but a simple campaign will not do. Modi and Maya will come face to face some day. But that will take time and will be on the national scene. As of now, both are still regional players. Let them mature. The fun is yet to begin.
RE:Modi
by galilio on Apr 22, 2008 02:08 PM Permalink
nanchil,you have problem only with murali manohar joshi ?what is your problem with modi ? does he not fit in to your castiest outlook? till people like you are still in caste web, corrupt politicians like mayawati,karuna will thrive in politics to siphon public money.
