It is quite obvious that they took out her organs because then no one can challenge that she did not take drugs. The whole case is based on accusing her of taking drugs and then being murdered.
Obviously by putting the drugs angle to it they are able to prove that scarlette somehow was in bad company .
I suspect the Goa CM's / drug maia link in this and it will not surprise me if the organs are disposed off quietly.
In a way we Indians deserver this kind of police because we frequently wink at fake encounters , tortue and use of 3rd degree mehtods of our police force which today is now coming back to bite us.
RE:They took out organs so that drug accusations could not be questioned.
by Anand YNI on Apr 16, 2008 09:21 AM Permalink
Dear VS,
You need a crash course on how the autopsies are conducted and why do they remove several organs at the time of autopsy. Remember this case has assumed international importance and the doctors will not take it lightly. Otherwise, you (& all others like you) will be as ignorant as ever.
RE:They took out organs so that drug accusations could not be questioned.
by DingDong on Apr 16, 2008 10:23 AM Permalink
Even if the Organs are taken during autopsy, the body has to be reconstituted. Without the permission of the family, no organ can be removed
RE:They took out organs so that drug accusations could not be questioned.
by Sid Justice on Apr 16, 2008 10:21 AM Permalink
Dear Anand,
I am sure you are the expert on autopsy's.. So please clarify some doubts.. Isn't it logical to document the whole process of the autopsy? Then how come some important facts like removal or missing organ parts were left out? Besides.. does it warrent a 3rd. autopsy outside the country, to prove that our cops and authorities have screwed up majorly? Please enlighten us..
RE:They took out organs so that drug accusations could not be questioned.
by Anand YNI on Apr 16, 2008 03:23 PM Permalink
Hi Sid,
Thanks for the comments & queries.
You are right. The entire process of autopsy is documented. The person who performs the autopsy keeps dictating what he finds & what he does and another person takes down the details. The authorised form is filled up. Required organs, either part or full, are removed. Normally complete stomach is removed. Other organs like the kidney may be removed partly. Complete uterus was removed in this case, since there was allegation of rape. No consent of the relatives is needed for this purpose since these are preserved elsewhere for future chemical or microscopic examination & are available on demand by the competant authorities/court.
II autopsy may be needed if it is felt that the autopsy was incomplete by the court.
Instances of III autopsies are uncommon. In this specific instance, since the person was a British national & a lot of noise was raised, they preferred to do another autopsy in England. However, I am unable to understand as to why their authorities made so much noise since, everything has been done in accordance with the legal procedures, that are common almost universally.
I hope I have clarified to some extent. Kindly ask more questions, if you have. For your info, I am NOT an expert on autopsies but a practicing doctor.
Lastly, you have been very polite, kind & nice. Special thanks for the same.
RE:They took out organs so that drug accusations could not be questioned.
by Asheesh Sinha on Apr 16, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
dude.. Even if doctors give Pain Killers/Paracetamol to Patients, they document it, which is forwarded to the next doctor. Here its a case of murder, and they conveniently "forgot" to mention that in any report, as if it was mentioned, UK doctors wouldnt have been fool to raise the issue of missing organs..
RE:They took out organs so that drug accusations could not be questioned.
by DingDong on Apr 16, 2008 10:15 AM Permalink
Anand, only a piece of each organ during autopsy is sufficient for analysis....no need to remove the whole organ.
The findings by the UK coroner are a serious blow to the credibility of Goa police who have been thoroughly exposed as lacking in ethics & morality They are like the auto drivers who flout every traffic rule while driving. I think the Goa police will break any rule for the sake of money ! Who will trust them next time ? They are a national shame.
RE:RE:Goa police has no moral fibre !
by Arup Gupta on Apr 16, 2008 08:01 AM Permalink
This is not the problem with Goa Police, but the entire Police administration in the country has a big credibility problem. Constant political pressure and rising workload is sucking out the efficiency and skill of the force. We Indians have to protest and force the Government to entirely frame new administrative laws to handle the police system. Otherwise this force will become a worthless burden on the hard earned tax payers money.
RE:Goa police has no moral fibre !
by Sid Justice on Apr 16, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
Dude.. it would take another 60 years for our government to come up with new administrative laws to handle the police system. Do you think that the government is even bothered about the law and order situation in the country?? They only make a fuss when its time for elections and they need votes. If our ministers had a little common sense, they would have brought out new policies 20 years ago to check official malpractices.
RE:Goa police has no moral fibre !
by Anand YNI on Apr 16, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
Dear Kumar,
You need a crash course on how the autopsies are conducted and why do they remove several organs at the time of autopsy. Remember this case has assumed international importance and the doctors will not take it lightly. Otherwise, you (& all others like you) will be as ignorant as ever. Do not think that the police or the doctors will ever steal the organs of a rotten corpse!!
RE:Goa police has no moral fibre !
by SS Kumar on Apr 16, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
Dear Anand,
You need a basic course in morality, If the Goa police removed the organs, why could they not come clean upfront and claim to have done so, in their report instead of the UK coroner coming up with this stark finding. Perhaps, you can arrange for a crash course in professionalism for your Goa police brethren.
We are the politicians. We nymphets let scoundrels rule us. There are beaches all around India. Why only Goa attracts drug addicts ? Why are there law and order problems in the states along the Gangetic plains like UP and Bihar ? I am not talking about J and K or NE states which border foreign countries and have insurgency problems. Even then Gujarat has other problems but not insugency.
there is code of conduct for everything, but I dont know why there is the people who love to break the code of conduct. I have mercy for the FIONA. But dont know why people do like this for the such a good people from UK and USA. They are far better then us, they follow rules and regulation and everthing..the people in India dont do that....If I have to break a law or crime...in USA i cant think of it and in India...tell me what u want to do....thats my county...thats my SARE JAHA SE ACHA...i dont know....but i am really depressed when I found things like this ...when there is one Shining side there is 100 bad shining side....and my country cant be on TOP man...its all going worse and worse...thats hassel me to come back to india....pls if anybody there help the FIONA....and get her justice...
RE:Dont know what Happen to My country
by Vinod Kumar on Apr 16, 2008 02:42 AM Permalink
Sir, You need to go back to US. Our People are coming back to India from US, because it has now started to look good due to the computer revolution and some stray achievements. Previously, India used to look bad from outside. But was actually very good from inside. Right now, You will find India looks good from Outside and it is really stinking bad from Inside. We are good at self-destruction. Previously, we brought the divide between Hindus and Muslims and now they are trying to create divide between North Indians and Mumbaikars. So we already have a Communal Bomb ready to be explode and destroy the nation. Well.. All you can do is, try to be good yourself, when you are in India. And if you just cannot keep your cool, seeing all the bad things around, take the escape to UK or US. They will respect your talent.
RE:Dont know what Happen to My country
by Fp on Apr 16, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
u r writing so many good things about india...but not about indian police....
It is a psychological truth that an individual becomes too loud, when there is something to hide. Both the cases are in the same mould. Portuguese and Indian police were intimidated by these exalted tourists and could not go deeper into the case. How low people can fall is shown recently by the British police in the sensational case of the missing girl, Shannon.
We should not be too eager to condemn our own system without evidence.
PLEASE DO NOT ASK ME HOW THOSE SILLY SIGNS APPEARED IN THE LAST MESSAGE. I DID NOT PUT THEM THERE!!!
RE:Scarlette
by g reddy on Apr 16, 2008 02:22 AM Permalink
i quite agree with u about maddie's case and about the intentions of scarlette's mother. she is a typical gypsy livin in caravan sites outside poole. they have little or no respect for the UK government or about the safety and well being of their kids. u find these kids roaming the streets n vandalising others property all night after gettin drunk on cheap cider. they start drinkin n smokin as young as 8-9 yrs. the police r helpless as they r, since the poles n other eastern europeans literally strangulated the social services by mass immigration.
but i defer on the point that the british politicians enjoy support from their people. they recieve enough stick and gordon brown is at the recieving end more often than not. his tonyness was never spared either except for a few decisions he took about europe. mind u, he still gets enuff stick so long after he has left office.
Fiona (Mother of Scarlet) should be given some Bravery award by some Women NGOs in India, for pursuing such a strong battle against the bigwigs. We Indians are so much used to all this, that an Indian woman would have given up and simply cried. But FIONA seems to have been brought up in a country (UK) where there is some Respect of LAW. And it seems she just cannot believe whatever is happening here. That is the reason she is struggling in such disbelief in India. And all those Indian Women Organizations who cause unnecessary problems rather than solving anything, should take a clue from Fiona. Or at least appreciate her courage. As for Indians, we are LIKE THIS ONLY and HUM NAHI SUDHERENGE. Unfortunately, INDIA is no longer.... the SARE JAHAN SE ACCHAN......... All thanks goes to our Great Politicians.
RE:Bravery Award for Fiona
by Sammer Bhagwat on Apr 16, 2008 09:02 AM Permalink
Very rightly putting the correct picture of hiding the criminal faces in INDIAN DEMOCRACY and supressing the voices of victims by threatening them.
We love to discredit our politicians and institutions, whereas in other countries, they are protective of their own. In Scarlette%u2019s case, many far-fetched, almost ludicrous claims have been made, even on this page. I cannot help wondering about her mother%u2019s intentions. Her claims have a few parallels with the missing Madeleine McCann case. The child%u2019s parents had complaints%u2019 galore against the Portuguese police, despite their trying hard to find the girl. The parents, both doctors, regularly left three very small children on their own in a room in the holiday resort, to go for night out with friends. That being a resort, staff had access to the rooms and any person could flick the keys and get in. When the child disappeared, the parents accused the entire Portugal, were too loud and too judgemental. Today there is a flourishing fund, parents are treated as celebrities, they have their own spokesman, and the child is forgotten.
Scarlette%u2019s mother left her drug-addicted teen daughter alone in Goa for days. When she was raped and killed, the %u2018terribly surprised and grieved%u2019 mother went on an accusing spree. No doubt, the Goan police blundered initially; still it cannot justify the wild comments made against the entire system by Fiona and her highly vocal lawyer. It is a psychological truth that an individual becomes too loud, when there is something to hide. Both the cases are in the same mould. Portuguese and Indian police were intimidated
Since the case involves a foreign national is there not a provision for the Doctor's from India who conducted the forensic exam to either call for or invite a Doctor from the foreign nation concerned to be present during the exam on the request of a relative of the deceased? Even now can the Doctor's not consult on what their findings were?
The state government cannot absolve itself of its share of responsibility in the death of British tourist Scarlette. It is a well known fact that the beaches of Goa are the hub of international drug mafia. Drug trafficking involving foreign tourists has been going on there with the full knowledge and support of the state police and local politicians. All cops are on the payroll of the drug peddlers. If U visit Goa U can get it on any of the luxury yachts and will wonder what the law makers/protectors are doing ? Just go aroung Kodai Lake or Kodaikanal International School U can meet innumerous drug peddlers and can get any stuff The Ministry of Tourism in collaboration with the Home Ministry and the state governments have to devise methods by which the tourists are protected.
