Believers will believe no matter what facts/fiction is produced in favour or against their deity. Similarly, non-believers will not believe no matter what. Only people who objectively think and analyze presented facts/analyses change minds. Sadly, people who think objectively are in scarcity.
i have not as well researched as author..(well researched doesnt always mean u are saying the right thing, you could be highly biased)..
whether ram disowned sita or now, whether he killed bali from behind or not , whether he killed someone for begin a shudra or not..the fact is that hindus have believed and accepeted this for thousands of years..which makes it true. and shows us the dangers of idolosing a person thousands of years ago without questioning.
this is the same as whether mohammed had sex with a 9 year old girl or not, whether he brutally killed people or not as told in hadiths..the fact that muslims accepted it for thousand years makes it true and again shows the dangers of idolising a person..
RE:hindu equivalent of zakir naik ??
by Mayala Fakir on Apr 14, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
You should tone down a little comrade... your bile is too strong :)
RE:hindu equivalent of zakir naik ??
by siddhartha on Apr 14, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
diplomatically ? ... it was a very 'rationally' and non offensively put statement...i dont see how u can tone it down any further without taking away the intended effect...
problem with indians is they 'try' too be diplomatic all the time..sometimes u justn eed to call a spade a spade..
i dint make anything up, i stated exectly what people believe in their mind, i dint abuse curse or look down upon anyone.
and i tried to be objective in my assessment..
dumb pseudos above me...(not thats offensive and meant to be so)
RE:hindu equivalent of zakir naik ??
by siddhartha on Apr 14, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
i dont like communists either :)..i just have an independent thinking mnd unlike you.
RE:hindu equivalent of zakir naik ??
by Karthi Keyan on Apr 14, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
siddhartha, we have our own faith in heart. Those who says wrong about Mohammed {PUBH} are his criticizers, we believe in Koran and its teachings. We do not worship Mohammed, Mohammed is the messenger to Allah the Almighty. He never taught us dangers he showed an effective way of life and all these years we found no issues or problems with our faith or religion. The problems which you and we are facing is the terrorism by few who didn't understood the Holy Koran properly.
RE:hindu equivalent of zakir naik ??
by Ankit p modi on Apr 14, 2008 03:37 PM Permalink
Totally agree with you! Fanaticism is nothing but fooling yourself. god is thing to be kept in heart and not on sleeve/head/beard.
Unfortunately, people don't realize, mulla's / so called pandits/ religious leaders are spreading their views on religion to everyone. People who ask WHY? and want reasoning are discouraged. you do that when u resist change, which is a sign of a blocked mind. A blocked mind has no space for knowledge for it. A book/ religion can not stop evolution for ever? can it. Change is inevitable. Religion is for inner self, whats shown outside, is for pure show. Please realize hidden power/social politics behind religious groups. Groups are formed by insecure people. Religion should be as open as choosing clothes, you choose what you believe, and what makes you happy, and not what you inherit. How can we inherit belief? belief comes from our heart/mind. Please awake, fellow country men
RE:RE:hindu equivalent of zakir naik ??
by tichkule bhaskar on Apr 14, 2008 08:20 PM Permalink
Friend Ankit, What you have written, i loved it like a article which is written by Satyapal Singh.Like you i have same opinion.Thanks lot because you have your pure own opinion which i love not depend on anybody, not on any thesis or some thing written.
ram is himself a truth any true indian or religious people never deny about ram.only few comrades anti indian deny this. all hindu or muslim praise the charactor of ram.in our country only karat- yechury gang avoid ram.but father of yechury believe in ram so he call her son SITARAM.
RE:truth of ram
by Mayala Fakir on Apr 14, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Ofcourse...isn't it funny that we find communist sukara's in india who break coconuts and light lamps before starting their "conventions" ?
RE:truth of ram
by siddhartha on Apr 14, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
so?? i am not fond of communist ideology myself.. but these things are more cultural, traditional than relgious....
RE:RE:What Nonsense
by Dr. S.K. Tomar on Apr 14, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
Sorry for the typo. Correct sentence: "On what grounds you term it utter nonsense"?
RE:What Nonsense
by Deepak MA on Apr 14, 2008 03:16 PM Permalink
It is indeed nonsense for you mate!!! Great act of intelligence you do by going on sunday mornings right??
This is just a corrupt article. The information which are provided here is totally wrong. I have the books and Veda where i could prove that all the informations are wrong. 4.32 billion years is only the time for Kaliyug not for the entire creation. And it will going to reduce to 2.5 to 2.7 as people are and will doing/do sins and this will be more and more as days progress. As is the Veda it is mentioned that Ravan could live for 56,000 yrs but because of his all wrong things he dies much earlier. Many things are there which the article posted wrongly.
RE:RE:
by S Tomar on Apr 14, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
Though I'd not indulge in proving or disproving the existence of Ram and his life but are you sure of the Kaliyug time of 4.32 billion years? This is approximately the life of the earth so far (current scientific estimates). Then where have Satyug, Treta and Dwapar gone? May be you check your records again.
RE:RE:Mr. Singh thanks for your analysis
by Ayesha Mehta on Apr 14, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
You are wrong my friend. Zorastrinism is the oldest religion, much before Christianity & Hinduism. It cant be predated. They are the most successful people, because they donot indulge in caste politics. You people just talk about building temples. But what about the man earning his daily wages. What will building a temple earn him. Its just politics in the name of God.ehc
RE:Mr. Singh thanks for your analysis
by Ayesha Mehta on Apr 14, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
You people just live int the past. You people need a Advani to screw your lives up. God Bless Advani.
RE:Nice system
by S Kiran on Apr 14, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
Have you done as much research as the author? Or at least have you read Valmiki Ramayan completely? If yes, we will listed to your version also.
RE:RE:Nice system
by VSRao Nanduri on Apr 14, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
Present topic is not about whether Rama is good Or Bad? Every civilization had its own good and Bad. In Us they have untouchability and slave systems until recent times. The point of discussion is that Indian civilization is very ancient one and had rich culture. Let the foreigners and Mechaley minded people accept it.
RE:RE:Nice system
by VENURAJA gopal Bowenpalle on Apr 14, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
The great epic Ramayana as written by Sage Valmiki ends when Lord Ram returns back to Ayodhya after slaying Ravan in a war in Lanka. After coronation of Ram and the Ram rajya starts, He never disowned his beloved wife Sita and never sent her to forests. Valmiki ramayana ends with the start of Rama Rajya. But how it happened ,whether it was great Poet Bhavabuthi (uttara ramacharita), I do not know , later stories were created depicting Ram as sending his wife Sita to forests. Read Valmiki Ramanya ,its number of Slokas are fixed and has tremendous poetic values. In the same way Valmiki describes Lord Ram as protesting against when Sita starts preparing to enter the circle of fire. It was Laxman who was ordered by Sita to light up the fire and then Ram jumps up to stop Sita but she refuses to listen and jumps in to fire only to come out untouched by fire. Jambavan the adviser and Hanuman the desciple stands to watch Sita entering fire totally shocked ,according to Valmiki Ramayana which was original. The later stories and versions depicted Ram as commanding Sita to enter the fire. Ramayan's "sunderakand" (depiction of Hanuman entering Lanka) is a master piece in literature and has no equal in any literature anywhere in the world.
