First of all what makes you think that yours is the only true religion on earth? Why is it not possible that a man appeared 1400 years ago and misguided everyone? His followers strengthened his beliefs... and till today we suffer the plague..
Secondly your judgement day concept. Someone who died 1000 years ago will have to wait for 1000 of years suffering before judgement day and other will get it by just waiting for 1 day.? Isnt this unfair to the first person?
Thirdly, if islam supports peace, why do you forcefully convert other people to Hindus. You cannot deny this. In Pakistan itself there were 25% Hindus at Independence. Today there are less than 1%. Why so many converts take place when we become a minority as in Pakistan, Banglades and Afganistan
Fourthly shouldnt these nations be blessed as they have accepted all gods principle. But these nations were far more prosperous and peaceful, peacloving during their Hindu rule. Today they are total chaos and mess.
RE:Muslims and Islam
by Santosh Agarwal on Apr 12, 2008 05:47 PM Permalink
If the creator is all so powerfull why does he have to send his messengers on earth to spread his infinite wisdom. Why does he himself not manifest in the form of human beings and come and spread the teachings. Wouldnt he avoid numerous complications and beliefs that arise in a mans mind because of his messenger theory.
Virgins -> Having sex with them is something that appears most pleasureful for almost everyone. But does it last forever?. Everyone knows the answer to that is no.
When we are vegetarians we do not destroy the total plant when we eat them. But what about non vegeterians? They just end the life of someone for food. If you are a non vegeterian, then tell me why you do not eat a human being? I raise this question to everyone who questions a vegeterian why he is not a nonveg. The same answer that you have for not eating a human, we have it for not eating nonveg. Moreover do plants have a soul the way other living beings have. Try to find out the answers to these questions my dear friend. You will be englightlened.
RE:RE:Muslims and Islam
by Ibnameer on Apr 12, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Boss u know...the avtar of Lord Vishnu...Mr.RAM was a non-vegetarian according to ur authentic Ramayan proof????
RE:Muslims and Islam
by Ibnameer on Apr 12, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
HINDU rule???? where? When? How? U can ask n numbe rof questions like this....there's nothing called as Hinduism....it was just idol worship.....whoever worships idol they were called as Hindu...tht means u can add entire world........Hinduism do not have any base or teachings....all vedas&upanishads are in Sanskirit which is a language of Aryan Brahmins....u have 100 languages in India...why not a single veda in other language???....u mean Afgan was under Hindu rule....then why not a single veda in PASTHU lanuguage??? can u explain dada.
RE:Muslims and Islam
by Santosh Agarwal on Apr 12, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
idol worship worshipping the same gods in different languages and beliefs but same roots... Thats Hinduism... Thats secularism Understood baccha..
RE:Muslims and Islam
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
look who is writing about MUSLIMS and ISLAM ...
SANTOSH agarwal ..
lets talk about your concept of rebirth ....if every soul is taking rebirth that means there should not be any new soul to take birth ...as you have to complete your 7 janams .....if it is true then why the population is growing every year .
we should also say about your fourth point ...under the rule of HINDUS the countries should prosper but infact it became target for invasions and lootings ...as per your defination there were many mass murders and conversions ....so what do you say now ..
IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN is in the same stage which india was MANY YEARGS AGO ...
Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism. They accept their fault for wrong upbringing of their children.
RE:Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism.
by muhammed altaf on Apr 12, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
your in the list j.kumar with jgd and shinde. what do you say brother funky?
RE:RE:Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism.
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
we dont need to maintain any list for these idiots brother altaf ..
these are just optionals ..we can eliminate them in our liesure time ..
RE:Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism.
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:38 PM Permalink
@ JITENDRA ,
HINDU FANATICS meet the BOMB BLAST VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS BEFORE YOU TRY TO HURT OR HUMILIATE ANY MUSLIM ...
teh consquence is very dangerous if you mess with muslim sentiments and their religion ...
RE:Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism.
by Jitendra Kumar on Apr 12, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
Just meet Mr. Hassen Ahmed once he is devoted muslim.
RE:Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism.
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:44 PM Permalink
you can also meet many BLAST victims ..they were also devoted hindus ..
RE:Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism.
by Jitendra Kumar on Apr 12, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
Ahmed family is not victim of Hindu or Indian government. They are paying for their own misdeed. So stop posting crap against anybody. It was suggetion to Muslim fanatics to check their own act.
RE:Muslim Fanatics please meet parents of Sabeel & kafeel ahmeds before you take any extreme step towards terrorism.
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:51 PM Permalink
before pointing at others ..fanatics like you hindus should also check others ...
if you were blown up in bomb blasts then you would be paying your misdeeds ..
PAKISTAN President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's recent visit to Bangladesh was described by the host as well as the guest as "fruitful and successful". The Pakistani leader termed the outcome as "more than expected". Hopefully, the two countries will now be closer both in political and economic terms. Notwithstanding the fact that the two governments failed to resolve two vital issues - the repatriation of Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh and the sharing of Bangladesh's pre-Independence assets - the tour drew significant public attention. The visit came at a crucial point in his country's politics. So far as Pakistan's internal politics is concerned, Musharraf is clearly not in a comfortable position.
Musharraf is the fourth Pakistani head of government to visit Bangladesh after 1971, when nearly three million Bengalis in former East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, were butchered by Pakistan's "occupation forces" during the course of the nine month-long war of independence. Musharraf's reference to the historic developments of 1971 included his "regrets" for the "1971 events" that separated the two wings of Pakistan 32 years ago. - HAROON HABIB in Dhaka
RE:Who needs proof of atrocities in Bangladesh???
by Frelancer on Apr 12, 2008 05:38 PM Permalink
crazy funky Ha ha ha Well said he needs a rest his no god theory is not working out,,,,,,,,,
RE:Who needs proof of atrocities in Bangladesh???
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
You people can fool only the ignorant hindus only. You cannot take on a mature atheist like me. Pl understand that there are many people like me who have full knowleldge about many Religions, History, etc.
RE:RE:Who needs proof of atrocities in Bangladesh???
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:43 PM Permalink
@ JGN,
matured athiest ...who said you are matrued ..did any one gave you any certificate ...
and if you are an atheist then why always behind ISLAM ..why dont you ever talk about HINDUISM and their million GODS ....stop lieing ...and just do it what i say ...
i repeat again ..PUT YOUR HEAD INSIDE THE BACKSIDE OF A COW ...AND ...LAMBI SAANS LE ...
RE:Who needs proof of atrocities in Bangladesh???
by anand on Apr 12, 2008 06:49 PM Permalink
So your very sure it will give a great sigh of relief. That proves you have tried it. May be you came out the other way as shit in your birth. Thats y I see you always advocating everyone to try put their head inside a cow's back. Pathetic guy:)
RE:Who needs proof of atrocities in Bangladesh???
by for education on Apr 12, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
Truth always hurts especially when mideeds get caught again and again
Hindu Kings were high class, blessed by Brahmin class.
Big Masses of Hindus were treated low caste. Their treatment was worse than that of slaves. They were outcast, and not even worthy of talking or touching.
Any sensible person will appreciate that if a religion of equality invites them from position of POWER, where is need for sword to convert.
But in their denial state, communal Hindus only honk...islam spread by force, by force, by force.
RE:UNTOUCHABILITY, NOT SWORD BROUGHT HINDUS TO ISLAM
by Frelancer on Apr 12, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
Even the word Hinus is given from muslims only,,,,,,,,, These IDOLTROUS know how to bash and enjoin with jews conspriacies only,,,,
RE:UNTOUCHABILITY, NOT SWORD BROUGHT HINDUS TO ISLAM
by muhammed altaf on Apr 12, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
very true,very true.you should join hands with us brother wahaj.long live islam.
RE:UNTOUCHABILITY, NOT SWORD BROUGHT HINDUS TO ISLAM
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 12, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
Muslims did not need SWORD. They Just took low caste Hindus who were never allowed entry into temple to their Mosques, and made them stand in First Row.
Thereafter, low caste Hindus embraced Islam by hundreds.
But communal Hindus of today dream that SWORD was put on their neck to convert.
RE:UNTOUCHABILITY, NOT SWORD BROUGHT HINDUS TO ISLAM
by Sourabh Shinde on Apr 12, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
Untouchability both Hindus to Islam... Do not try to give false satisfaction to urself... Why did 25% Hindus convert after independece.. Were they not untouchable in India before independence...
RE:UNTOUCHABILITY, NOT SWORD BROUGHT HINDUS TO ISLAM
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 12, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
Less Hindus did convert to Islam after independence because:
1. Hindus unleashed lots of Terror and victimization on Muslims after Independence. Being a Muslim in India is a Risk to life and property for Muslims.
2. India promulgated funny laws..like benefits of reservations were to be taken away if any Hindu becomes Muslim.
3. Independent India witnessed lots of baseless propaganda against Islam. This too confuses ordinary non-muslim
RE:UNTOUCHABILITY, NOT SWORD BROUGHT HINDUS TO ISLAM
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:40 PM Permalink
if they are forced to convert then why dont they go back to their own religion ...why are they still sticking to ISLAM ...
it was not a force conversion ...because force conversion will not be there for ever ....only willing fully converted people stick to their religion forever ....
you can just keep yourself convinced saying they were forcefully converted ...
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
WHOSO believe not, and prevent others from the way of God %u2013 their works will He cause to miscarry;
But whoso believe, and do things that are right, and believe in what hath been sent down to MUHAMMAD %u2013 for it is the truth from their Lord %u2013 their sins will He cancel, and dispose their hearts aright.
This-because the infidels followed vanity, while those who believe, followed the truth from their Lord. Thus to men doth God set forth their likenesses.
When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.
And afterwards let there either be free dismissals or ransomings, till the war hath laid down its burdens. Thus do. Were such the pleasure of God, he could himself take vengeance upon them but He would rather prove the one of you by the other. And whoso fight for the cause of God, their works he will not suffer to miscarry
He will vouchsafe them guidance and dispose their hearts aright
He will bring them into the Paradise, of which he hath told them
Believers! If ye help God, God will help you, and will set your feet firm
But as for the infidels, let them perish and their works shall God bring to naught
RE:Is the Glorious Quran abusive?????
by Frelancer on Apr 12, 2008 05:34 PM Permalink
Taking a few passages from the Qur%u2019an out of proper historical and textual context will not give a proper understanding of the religious scripture,,,,,,,,,, Dont say that you have already 2 times or 200 hundred times,,,,,,,,,, The person who reads the Quran he will never bash becuase there is not a single scripture will take you to think astray,,,,,,,,
RE:Is the Glorious Quran abusive?????
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
So admit that the Quran was the concoction of Mohammed to suit particular circumstances to hoodwink his followers. Don't try to fool others.
RE:Is the Glorious Quran abusive?????
by Frelancer on Apr 12, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
JGN Even if you kill any muslim to say that Quran was the purpose of that which you mentioned,,,,,, Even muslim know that Quran is that it is not a book of history, a book of science or a book of law - though it has all these in it. It is first and foremost a book of divine guidance.
RE:Is the Glorious Quran abusive?????
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:49 PM Permalink
"Believers! If ye help God, God will help you, and will set your feet firm"...........so the all powerful creator wants punny guys like us to help him??????????
RE:Is the Glorious Quran abusive?????
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
This-because they were averse from the command which God sent down; Fruitless, therefore, shall their works become!
Have they not journeyed through the land, and seen what hath been the end of those who flourished before them? God brought destruction on them and the like of this doth await the infidels.
This-because God is the protector of those who believe, and because the infidels have no protector.
Verily God will bring those who believe, and o the things that are right, into the Gardens, beneath whose shades the river flow but they who believe not, take their fill and eat as beasts eat! And their dwelling place the fire:
And how many cities were mightier in strength than thy City, which hath thrust three forth. We destroyed them and there was none to help them
Shall he who followeth the clear teachings of his Lord be as he, the evil of whose doings hath been made to seem good to him, or like those who follow their own lu-sts
RE:Verses from the glorious ''Quran'' reported for abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
This-because they were averse from the command which God sent down; Fruitless, therefore, shall their works become!
Have they not journeyed through the land, and seen what hath been the end of those who flourished before them? God brought destruction on them and the like of this doth await the infidels.
This-because God is the protector of those who believe, and because the infidels have no protector.
Verily God will bring those who believe, and o the things that are right, into the Gardens, beneath whose shades the river flow but they who believe not, take their fill and eat as beasts eat! And their dwelling place the fire:
And how many cities were mightier in strength than thy City, which hath thrust three forth. We destroyed them and there was none to help them
Shall he who followeth the clear teachings of his Lord be as he, the evil of whose doings hath been made to seem good to him, or like those who follow their own lu-sts?
Wah Bete... do u expect me to go back in history and take a video record of everything...
Proof: Every single person even in Pakistan knows that Hindus were more than 25% at time of independence and there has been ethical cleaning... but u wont accept it.
Secondly dude in next 10 years we will make muslims less than 1% in India and then tell future generations give proof that muslims existed here... would it be possible? Whatever proofs would emerge in that case, do exist now also for Pakistans case.
So beta do no give false satisfaction and justification to yourself. If u have ever learnt a good thing then accept the truth...
Dude before 700AD there was only Hindu rule in Afganistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh.. today u have to search for Hindus there... is that not a proof..
No for u these people have converted willingly. Right? Then why this willingly conversion happens only when muslims become majority and not when they are minority as in India...
Idiot open your eyes and see.. everything is crystal clear
It is you who has been brainwashed to believe that RSS is brainwashing people... Anyone with common sense knows that RSS is saying true facts..
For your kind info ther are not only 15% mulsims who are converted.. If you have combine Afgnan, Pak and Bangla more than 45% are converted... So dont act blind..
RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
Pl search for "Regrets for 1971" and read the report of Bangladeshi journalist Haroon Habib.
RE:RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by Sourabh Shinde on Apr 12, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
If u cannot understand the proof what I have written u r dumb....
RE:RE:RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
if you can not show any proof ...then you are an idiot and blind.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by Santosh Agarwal on Apr 12, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
cant u see that before 47 there wer 25% hindus in pak... where r they now?
RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by Palani on Apr 12, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
In which book it is written that there was hindu rule before 700 AD? can you bring any authenticated history? you call someone beta that means you are baab. still dont have brains. Where was was hindu region? what were its borders? Muslims came to india and educated you. What was official language of the region before? Muslims came here and taught you the governmental system. Still you are following the same.
RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by Sourabh Shinde on Apr 12, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
ur r blind search the net u ll find the name of rulers also...
RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
Palani, pl read some more history before displaying ignorance on the net. The period of Chandra Gupta Maurya is known as "The Golden Period of Indian History" and that pre-dates Christianity. Have you heard of universities at Nalanda and Taxshila? Nalanda had a capacity to accommodate 10000 students at a time.
RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by Frelancer on Apr 12, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
Sourabh Shinde Islam was spread by proof and evidence, in the case of those who listened to the message and responded to it. So if there are no hindus existing in those countries that means they adopted the right path and became muslims,,,,, So why you guys are so keen towards the minimum numbers just look why people are being attracted towards this great religion. You just look at the every conrner of the world ISLAM is superseding all the major fake religions including Chriristiantiy, Hindusims, Budhism etc etc,,,,,,,,,,,
RE:Blind Wahaj needs proof... Here it is
by Sourabh Shinde on Apr 12, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
Majority of 85% Hindus find nothing right in ur path but 25% Hindus in Pakistan find everything right in ur supposedly right path.. Wah what a thinking men...
Keep giving false justification to urself and wait ... all d best
RE:The ''most merciful'' creator's words
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
Cont'd: This-because they were averse from the command which God sent down; Fruitless, therefore, shall their works become!
Have they not journeyed through the land, and seen what hath been the end of those who flourished before them? God brought destruction on them and the like of this doth await the infidels.
This-because God is the protector of those who believe, and because the infidels have no protector.
Verily God will bring those who believe, and o the things that are right, into the Gardens, beneath whose shades the river flow but they who believe not, take their fill and eat as beasts eat! And their dwelling place the fire:
And how many cities were mightier in strength than thy City, which hath thrust three forth. We destroyed them and there was none to help them
Shall he who followeth the clear teachings of his Lord be as he, the evil of whose doings hath been made to seem good to him, or like those who follow their own lu-sts?
very good thing 2 do.bring saeel, the brother of the true son of islam ,who kept his bro's secret should be brought 2 india.then,we can release sabeel.long live sabeel ,long live islam.
RE:very good
by crazy funky on Apr 12, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
they are angry because their british or english masters were hurt ..they still living under british rules .
MAY BE BHAGAT SINGH'S SOUL might be happy to see KAFEEL attacking britishers who rulled our country for years ..
RE:very good
by muhammed altaf on Apr 12, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
thanks funky-crazy. i think u said it.surely,B.singh would support sabeel's and kafeel's cause.
RE:RE:very good
by anand ganesh on Apr 12, 2008 05:25 PM Permalink
Not at all. Dont ever compare Kafeel with Bhagat Singh. He never attacked innocent British Civilians. He and his comrades only attacked British officers who were brutal with unarmed civilians such as lathi charge on Lala Lajpat Rai and Jalinawala Bagh.
RE:RE:very good
by anand ganesh on Apr 12, 2008 05:44 PM Permalink
"BHAGAT SINGH is not at all eligible to compete with KAFEEL AHMED ..." Pathetic mind
Bhagat Singh was a freedom fighter.While Kafeel is a terrorist.
"KAFEEL ATTACKED THOSE CIVILIANS WHO SUPPORTED AND PAID (through their taxes) to invade and kill innocent muslims in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN ..."
Illiterate fool that u are. Taxes have to be paid regardless of what political decision, the Government of the day takes. The Civilians cannot be blamed merely for paying taxes to UK Government They can only condemn, criticise and protest Iraq war. That is all. And many of these civilians may be exempt from paying taxes as well. How do u know????
Now ur posts expose the true nature of muslims and Islam and u ppl have no non-muslim sympathy for ur causes.
RE:RE:very good
by muhammed altaf on Apr 12, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
i am a true follower of islam and i take pride in that.i have visited prophet muhammad's[pbuh] place and enjoyed allah's blessings.i will strive 2 bring awareness and spread islam
RE:CAN ANYBODY SHOW PROOF...
by JGN on Apr 12, 2008 05:21 PM Permalink
Wahaj Faridy, pl search for "Regrets for 1971" report of Bengladeshi Journalist Haroon Habib where in he has stated that 3 million civilians were killed by the occupational force of West Pakistan in 1971 (I do not believe that all of them were hindus - a good majority were Muslims)
RE:CAN ANYBODY SHOW PROOF...
by Sourabh Shinde on Apr 12, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
Dude before 700AD there was only Hindu rule in Afganistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh.. today u have to search for Hindus there... is that not a proof..
No for u these people have converted willingly. Right? Then why this willingly conversion happens only when muslims become majority and not when they are minority as in India...
Idiot open your eyes and see.. everything is crystal clear
It is you who has been brainwashed to believe that RSS is brainwashing people... Anyone with common sense knows that RSS is saying true facts..
RE:CAN ANYBODY SHOW PROOF...
by Frelancer on Apr 12, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
Sourabh Shinde Islam was spread by proof and evidence, in the case of those who listened to the message and responded to it. So if there are no hindus existing in those countries that means they adopted the right path and became muslims,,,,, So why you guys are so keen towards the minimum numbers just look why people are being attracted towards this great religion. You just look at the every conrner of the world ISLAM is superseding all the major fake religions including Chriristiantiy, Hindusims, Budhism etc etc,,,,,,,,,,,
RE:RE:CAN ANYBODY SHOW PROOF...
by Sourabh Shinde on Apr 12, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
They adopted the right path only when they became minority.. Wah men I salute your intelligence... When they were majority they did not accept as d religion was wrong. When they were minority they accepted as they had no other options.. Else dude why does 85% India not see ur supposedly right path and 25% Hindus in Pakistan see it? Comeon answer me?
RE:CAN ANYBODY SHOW PROOF...
by Frelancer on Apr 12, 2008 05:30 PM Permalink
By the way so many hindus also converted and and keep on converting when they feel that islam is the true religion only for their life....
how is it that you can never give direct proof, and only talk theory.
In theory it could be reason a, or reason b, or reason c.
But you will only choose one that is dire and most nonsensical.
Why did it never occur to you that Caste ridden Indian society where majority was low caste was perfect recipe for transition to Equality based Islam.
Two, process of Hindu conversion to Islam is more or less documented. And it shows that Chishti Saints from persia were largely successful in bringing into Islam what today constitutes almost entire Muslim subcontinent.
But no, for you Islam haters, untouchable Hindus could not have gone to Equality based Islam until someone put sword on their neck...HOW IDIOTIC
RE:CAN ANYBODY SHOW PROOF...
by muhammed altaf on Apr 12, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
rss is da real danger.it should be banned in india. followers of muhammad[pbuh]pls support my cause of saving our brothers and opposing hindu tyrants. altaf_chillpill@rediffmail.com
