Reservations should be for fixed period of time and should not go on forever. Any seats which are not filled by reserved categories should get transferred to the open category. There must not be any reservations for the jobs. Reservation should be restricted to 1 or 2 person per family.
RE:reservation for all
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
reservation should last at least for as long as the original oppression lasted!
RE:reservation for all
by yuvraj bhatnagar on Apr 11, 2008 02:35 AM Permalink
reservation is a good step.....its a landmark verdict and will help in crreating a society on eual terms.....entire concept of merit is a farce, exclusion of creamy layer is a good step. population of OBC/ST?SC is 65% and there representation is minimal in govt jobs and educational institutes......this shouwl solve problems in next 30-40 years
RE:reservation for all
by Ravi on Apr 11, 2008 02:39 AM Permalink
till a brahmin says an SC sT you are as educated and as wise as me let us ban the caste system
RE:reservation for all
by Vijay B on Apr 11, 2008 02:53 AM Permalink
Sorry dear that day will never occur. The day would be - A Brahmin says to an SC/ST - Dude you are as illiterate and uneducated as me though you have a degree and a job! Lets ban caste! And obviously an SC/ST ( I mean the *really* backward ones like you) will say - buzz off pal..
RE:reservation for all
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:31 AM Permalink
yes but we should cut the root of this tree first before cutting the branches. Else it will grow again. right Root Caste Branch Reservation If you wanna spoil this illness then first cut the root first.
RE:RE:reservation for all
by Pavan on Apr 11, 2008 02:38 AM Permalink
In the present day, do you think the shudra are lower the upper castes ?, if you do then you must be dreaming, the OC have less money, are less educated. Let shudra's be what they want to be, let the country go to dogs, in fact i would like islamic rule to be back, that would teach most of the population a lesson and bring back law and order.
RE:reservation for all
by Ravi on Apr 11, 2008 02:47 AM Permalink
Pavan you are a looser instead ask the sinner brahmin to remove caste system and declare all hindus are equal. Islamists would exploit you like hell. You should have lived in that period to feel the opression
RE:RE:reservation for all
by Vijay B on Apr 11, 2008 05:06 AM Permalink
Why Ravi?? Are you afraid?? Afraid that the Muslims won't be sitting and typing in replies on rediff, like Brahmins, but instead will cut off your head??
Hahahaha Brahmins and sin?? Hahahaha you don't even want to THINK of the sin that Muslims can commit to you!! I'm beginning to think, its better you be put in Afghanistan for some years.. then you will kiss Brahmins' feet.
RE:reservation for all
by Lakshmanan Sriram on Apr 11, 2008 02:47 AM Permalink
It is not clear as to how it is OK for you all. Even though I am not against reservations, it is not clear as to how these seats will be filled where more than 50-60% of the boys of SC/ST, OBCs do not get primary education. It is at this place the reservation and free education to be considered. It is just a political jimicks and would not do actually any good to OBCs.
I dont know whether its true or not but shivsena supremo mr Balassaheb thakrey once announce that, just delete last name from everybodys identity....the who;e country will be benefited.
If its true then I pray the god that this legend lives long.
RE:Long live balasaheb
by Ravi on Apr 11, 2008 02:22 AM Permalink
If it were to be so simple!!!. Let the brahmana sangha invite all hindus to become brahmins or let them convert to convert to SC/ST or the most sensible which they have to do someday or the other remove caste system and say all hindus are equal! Then not only all hindus would be happy together, it can go global and be an alternative to islam, chritianity if they invite others also to join
RE:RE:Long live balasaheb
by Ravi on Apr 11, 2008 02:50 AM Permalink
Sorry Sam I did not mean to hurt you. Thats the first step. I very well relise afterall, all human beings have started from a single women and a man
RE:Long live balasaheb
by pankaj joshi on Apr 11, 2008 02:18 AM Permalink
i agree with you 100%.He is the only politician with guts and always put country first
RE:Long live balasaheb
by deepak on Apr 11, 2008 04:03 AM Permalink
Put Bal thackerey in the mashiwala community.. He will serve india better than currently with his separtist politics... Shiv Sena voted for proven corrupt woman just because she was a marathi.
Let's share the problem i faced in my life. Ones my teacher asked me, What's your name. I told him Sir, I am Krishna Kumar. He added next agge?? This is the mentality of so called upper caste. A person who is supposed to teach a student, he started theaching a student of class first by this manner. I came to my home asked my father about the same question. He was answerless, he just joked and let me moved. I could understand the reason a very long back after that incident.
Those who belong to upper caste, they never face such kind of humiliating acts in their life.
So please unless you can stop the caste system, don't ask for removing the reservation system. As this just is a counter weapon given to us.
RE:Read this
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
so if my full name is Rajesh Kumar Sharma and my teacher ask me my name and I say 'Rajesh Kumar' and he says AAGE??? I should also get reservation...CORRECT??? I do agree that you need reservation on the basis of being totally retarded ;)
RE:Read this
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:12 AM Permalink
I never intend to waste your time Prof. If you even couldn't understand the meaning of above message then surely something is wrong. I told him my name, kishna kumar. What is the mean of agge?????????????( guy studying in class first) Crap.
RE:RE:Read this
by deepak on Apr 11, 2008 04:07 AM Permalink
You went for learning, and this is what you give for gurudakshana? Are these your manners? What humilation? She asked you of your name, and then age... What is wrong with that?
RE:Read this
by SOUPTIK SARKAR on Apr 11, 2008 02:33 AM Permalink
Oh please for GOD sake stop these emotional blackmails. You do not have to proclaim yourself as one whose birth-right is to get insulted;and what do want to say that it is only the so called "OBC" who get insulted and we general castes who actually have become minorities live our life without any humiliations? You should be persuading the govt. in reserving seats in private schools, that way you will grow and develop youself spiritually and mentally like everybody else and do not have to cry for reservations anymore. Does it sound good to take a short cut in life at the expense of talent? What will happen if through reservations you and some of your "OBC"s get through IITs or AIIMS or IIMs? will the humiliations stop? You guys will be bullied till the last day in your institution. It is you who cry saying people insult and you hypocrits pave your own way towards humiliation. The govet. is hell bent on playing with your vote bank and you people think that it is a gesture towards you. The day the govt. feels the heat is on them they kick you back on your bloody face; then to whom are you going to turn to. People of India is progressing and at a fast pace, understand one thing talent is something which everybody earns it through his/her life and it is not hereditay.. Hence a cap on talent means barrier for country to grow. This barrier will break if not now but surely in future and then you people will remain where you are and we will proceed further.So decide your fate before i
RE:RE:RE:Read this
by deepak on Apr 11, 2008 04:23 AM Permalink
If i stop using my surname, from where will I get my morality? Unlike you, i cannot afford to bend front of frangi culture.. We love our Indian culture, and our morality is guided by our place in society... I do not wanna struggle with my identity because it doesn't guarantee that you will still feel victimized... All is in khopra, and once you stopped being a victim, you will progress... When i went through school, i didn't dream of IIT or IIM. I didn't need to.... Only very few selected people usually on insistence of their respective families take a shot at IIT or IIM.. Brahmins more than any other community just naturally go for this big test, and that too, through their shere hard work.. Not that i am saying other communities do not do that but it take cent percent determination to take shot at.. I have never studied the make up caste of IIT or IIM because it is not my mentality to see things through caste politics... That is a business of lower castes to perpetuate their artificial victimhood to real victimhood by their very mentality.
RE:Read this
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:12 AM Permalink
Here is my problem: I am brahmin. I could not differenciate between people based on their last name....but my SC/ST friends can. They are the ones who tought me about these things NOT MY PARENTS. Its all in your head....we get reminded of this caste system (painfuly) everytime some turd like Arjun Singh does something like this.
RE:Read this
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
My dear you will be reminded even, while you will go for marriage. Just tell your parents not to insist for marrying in same caste. Just be truthful to yourself and ask, if you could marry girl belonging to SC/ST. If you will say yes, you are lying. If you accept that you can't then stop adding more comments unless you are agreeing to leave from caste based society.
RE:Read this
by Pavan on Apr 11, 2008 02:13 AM Permalink
Krisha, Asking your name is humiliating to you ?, do you want to be spoon fed ?, do you want to enjoy free money without working ?, change your attitude it will do good to you
RE:RE:Read this
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:26 AM Permalink
Asking my name was never humiliating. Anyhow he was not having any problem in his listening capability. This objective was wrong. You are not a teacher, you are not serving your duty by asking a kid studying in class first by asking agge, even after he told his name krishna kumar.
RE:Read this
by on Apr 11, 2008 02:41 AM Permalink
Keep your tongue shut Mr, i am never taught throug my parents to use such kind of language for a general discussion. I could use the same abusive language for yourself also. However my parents never teach me the same way you got education through your parents.
RE:RE:Read this
by deepak on Apr 11, 2008 04:11 AM Permalink
now that you beggers got bakshish from Arjun singh, perhaps, now he can replace your parents in teaching your manners.. How to do jaat paat is already a discourse of your life. you are guided by the victimhood, not because you were victimize by someone. For that, you are capable enough to do to yourself..
RE:Read this
by Sam on Apr 11, 2008 02:09 AM Permalink
You cannot judge the metality of upper caste based on one incident. All I know is that most of the upper caste people are poor and no access to education. They are taking to crimes and some are leaving India for better future. I also blame the biased media for portraying the upper caste in a wrong manner.
RE:Read this
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 11, 2008 02:17 AM Permalink
I see you point, even I have been prodded for my "full name" from curious brahmins who are keen to discover my surname. I have experienced this more from Brahmin girls than guys, guys are okay.
RE:RE:Read this
by deepak on Apr 11, 2008 04:14 AM Permalink
Gopal Krishna
well do brahmin girls really need a commie or dravidian.. Brahmin girl will happily marry a bengali or a tamil but not a commie, and dravidian... Brahmins perhaps have keen sense of smell that they notice in you.. Do not blame them, just blame yourself for being a commie,or dravidian...
Its a known fact that the main reson for this quota is to divide the Hindu votes. Dividing hindu votes and banking on Muslim/Christian votes has been the formula by Congress for a long time.
Thers a rumor that saudis gave crores to congress to implement this quota. Its indeed sad that the common indians do not realize this and media misleads them as well.
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 11, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
Dividing Hindu votes ? How on earth ? Man, your logic defies gravity.Tusssi really great ho.
And if Saudi's could run govt policies in India by bribing the Hindu majority led politicans - then Hindu votes deserve to be divided. Don't get me wrong - whats the use of having a bunch of spineless Hindu politicans who for a couple of crores divide their own votes ? I would rather have an honest and dynamic Muslim / Sikh leader like Dr. Abdul Kalam / Dr. Manmohan Singh - people with knowledge and integrity than spineless jerks whose claim to fame is religion based.
Yaaar - its our country. ONE INDIA. And our country attained greatness in the past becoz of its cultural mosaic and tolerance of other religions. Please don't talk rubbish and bring in a conspiracy theory about Hinduism being marginalised for every goddamed problem on earth.
RE:RE:The results will not be good in long run
by raghabendra ray on Apr 11, 2008 02:12 AM Permalink
Mr. Nice explanetion though..but the truth is that wat sam told..its the mean politics of congress..and some grredy hindu politician...its not hidnuor muslim..its the devide and rule policy as the british were doing in india befor..and congress is doing now....i think any sensible ppl undesrstand that...
RE:RE:RE:The results will not be good in long run
by Sam on Apr 11, 2008 02:16 AM Permalink
rightly said. Its the divide and conquer policy. Its easy to divide hindus hence Congress choose to divide hindus and unite the muslims for votes.
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 11, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
Boss, politicians will do whatever they can to remain in power - thats no rocket science. But to claim that Saudi govt. paid crores and our people did that to appease them is ridiculous. Come on - when the problem lies at home - look at the problem and find a way out. Don't blame a third party and money being paid to our govt. to do that. And if you see the OBC drama being enacted - its about consolidation of votes , not about dividing Hindu votes or such crap.And my point lies there - if a couple of Hindu politicians can divide the country becoz they received payment from Saudi - they have NO business to lead the country. Look at the other way - if a western country would pay a couple of billion dollars to the Saudi King or UAE Sheikh or even the sheikh of a poor country like Yemen, do you think they will pass a law to give facilities over and above their muslim brethren ? U gotta be joking on this.....So these kinda allegations are best refrained from.
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by Sam on Apr 11, 2008 02:15 AM Permalink
I respect ur opinion, but facts are facts. Its has always been the agenda of our neighbours to marginalize hinduism as its the only major non-abrahamic religion in the world. and Congress is good at it. Sikhism is a non-abrahamic religion too, so is budhism, jainism etc. but are small and not major.
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by on Apr 11, 2008 01:56 AM Permalink
No way Mr Sam Quota is bascially generated by the caste system. Remove the caste system, none will need any quota or reservation.
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by Sam on Apr 11, 2008 02:01 AM Permalink
I disagree. There IS no caste system. It only exists in the form of quotas. The proof is that I have never felt the need to mention my caste except when I fill out a admission form. If there is no quota, there won't be any caste system.
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by Sam on Apr 11, 2008 02:05 AM Permalink
I never visited that ever. My wife is from a diffrent caste. My sister is also married to a diffrent caste. This is the trend in the cities. I wonder which caste my kid belongs to. All I know is that is is a plain Hindu, Thats all.
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by Vijay B on Apr 11, 2008 03:00 AM Permalink
Stop killing animals and eating their flesh. Just tell this to the parents of the Brahmin girl you liked and they'll agree. May be they'll be hesitant initially but they'll agree to the marriage.
But of course, you won't give up your habits. But you want the "VICTORY" of having married a "pure" Brahmin girl with high ideals, right?
You are a fool of the most pathetic order. I'm seeing, how many times you're pointing out caste when it comes to marriage. We Brahmins only don't talk so much about caste, just about vegetarianism. You are more casteist than any casteist person I've seen!
RE:RE:The results will not be good in long run
by deepak on Apr 11, 2008 04:35 AM Permalink
Kudos Vijay B
I am not even a brahmin, but i had to check instantly if my Jaat made it to OBCs.. Thankfully, i didn't... How did Proud Jat, and Yadevs fell in the category of OBCs, i have no idea... So they want to marry a brahmin girl while indulging in habit of eating animal flesh? Why do you not first become brahmin, and sacrifice your desires in certain code, and conduct of respective caste... Muh mein daant nah, paet me aant nah, magne aiya chuma chuma...
You have your caste, marry in your caste... If there are few exceptionals, you can excercise that... Even Baniya will not let you marry his daughter with that victimhood mentality.
Gopal Krishna you are born to burn... It is perhaps time you tell us about your Jaat, so we can offer you some guidence to live by your dharma..
RE:The results will not be good in long run
by raghabendra ray on Apr 11, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
rightly said mr. sam..poor people are getting fooled by the grreddy politician and some opprtunist people who just want to secure their own future...only education among peole and a indepnedent honest media role can save the country from this serios problem..
RE:RE:Is India a secular Country?
by abc bbc on Apr 11, 2008 02:23 AM Permalink
evn i dont think so....... on 1 hand we say every citizen is equal nd on d oder hand our sick govt. makes irrelevant laws 4 discriminaing b/w ppl..
y shudnt we have equal competetion..? 4 wat r v waitin? Indias sucess nd development rate will increase if dere is competetion..bt our govt. is diluting it!
if dats d case where laws r made biased..i think its better to settle abroad!!
RE:Is India a secular Country?
by abc bbc on Apr 11, 2008 02:31 AM Permalink
lemme tell u my story...m a medical student rite now!!
i prepared for medical entrance xams.. my frnd was wid me who was an SC..nd i ws frm general category. we both wanted to get in a same clg..coz clg was gud.. in d examination he got approx. 142/650(as calculated by him) nd i had approx. 471/650.he was damn sure dat he wont get into...nd i was sure dat i wud!!!
reverse happend..he got nd i was left out!!
reason??
just coz he was in SC categgory nd i was in general!!
