The supreme quote Judge VR Krishna Iyer quoted -Vivekananda in The Hindu Magazine above..
Vivekanada told the detractors of the Muslim rule- The Muhammadan conquest of India came as a salvation to the downtrodden to the poor. That is why one-fifth of our people have become Muhammadans. He denied that -it was all the work of sword and fire" and said that to call it so was "the height of madness.
RE:@Skype - do you agree with Vivekanda??
by Skype net on Apr 03, 2008 08:33 AM Permalink
Look at the Broad-day smiling mentality by Hindus.. This Hindu writer has written as uner, though world knows what most Indian muslims are up to.
WHY ARE most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists? This question is often being raised to Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs.
When the world is having such a view of Muslims, Indian Muslims are also being targeted. India is home to nearly 150 million Muslims, and till date, no Indian Muslim is involved in the terrorist activities across the world. A majority of the world population has a positive opinion of Indian Muslims.
Balaord, this is the view of most of Hindus, they are most tollerant by nature, so as Swamyji.
RE:@Skype - do you agree with Vivekanda??
by Exposse on Apr 03, 2008 08:40 AM Permalink
Broad-day smiling ?? Before showing this smile to your white masters-also reserve some for the 30% dalits who for centuries shunned even from the sight of your people You dont have to smile-just let them pass your street and that would be a very humane response from your tolerance bearing culture
RE:@Skype - do you agree with Vivekanda??
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 08:37 AM Permalink
which british muslim bombed londo before iraq invasion? which spanish Muslim bombed madrid before iraq invasion which indonesian bombed Bali (and autalians) before iraq invasion?
adn you want to ignore the whole thing and pinpont few hundreds and overlook the hundres of thousand killed by western policies?
Do you know millions of Iraqi children died because of sanctions?It is this same citadel of democracy supported the dictator called saddam.
Open your eyes and see the world for what it.shut dowm FOX news!!!
RE:@Skype - do you agree with Vivekanda??
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 08:10 AM Permalink
You guys lack any sense of identity and find that by hating Muslims.I bet no one will talk about any Hindusim -after you have killed all Muslims. I know many true Hindus and they are not like mud heads like you
RE:@Skype - do you agree with Vivekanda??
by Comment on Apr 03, 2008 10:44 AM Permalink
Please dont make castles in the air come to ground reality. Answer me
1) As far as u no. is concerned why u people are Backward in modernisation,science and technology. 2) Why u dont stand anywhere in terms of militarily and economic power. 3) Why u r not strong in any of the sector whether manufacturing or Services(IT) 4) What is ur contribution to present world. 5) why u have maximum no of terrorists in the world. 6) why contriwes like Afghanisatan,Bangladesh,pakistan and iraq has gone into stone age. So dear rather than talking see the present conditions and do some introspection . Come out of ur shell ,use logics and there is the only way for salvation.
RE:@Skype - do you agree with Vivekanda??
by VENURAJA gopal Bowenpalle on Apr 03, 2008 10:07 AM Permalink
I read this speech of Swami Vivekananda (complete works of swami vivekananda published by Ramakrishna mutt). In this speech he was speaking about brahmin orthodoxy and social evils we (hindus) have. He did not use the word salvation. He simply said that the idea that Hindusim could be destroyed (to certain extent by conversions) by Islam sword was the "hight of madnes". Hindu relgion is not that week nor it lacks strenght or resilience.(according to him). He said that there has been untouchability and other social evils which contributed to the conversions of lower classes to Islam. He also said that we practise untouchabilty and if the same person becomes a John,Jacob or Mathews we allow him in to our house and treat him well with tea or coffee. So he said that the idea of Hindusim kneeling before the sword of Islam was the hight of madness.
It is because of people like people are fighting with each other Which aspect of shiva temple is contributing to the beauty of Taj Mahal?
Keep Taj Mahal with you and demolish and find the Shiva temple underneath.I dont care!!! Before this also know this
This was a world wide breaking news some time back (except in India)
Below is the reuters link about princeton reasearcher's stunning mathematical nature of Mosques in Uzbelistan- Thank god!!If you were in Uzbekistan you would still claim -Muslims demolished some gods temple in uzbekistan too!!!
RE:@skype
by Skype net on Apr 03, 2008 08:51 AM Permalink
Hindus always repected other religions including Islam.
India had president/PM, Vice-presidents/CMs as Muslims, sikhs christians, parsis, even today you can see that.
Hindus always respected and honored muslim scholers. nowa days it has become a practice to include one of the name from Muslim comunity, otherwise, why muslims, Hindus only criticises!!
Majorty Hindu country never called officially, its a Hindu country, it has given , more rights (not equal right) to muslims.
There is reservation for muslims in many fields.
Haj.... Hindu's temple money is being spent for you guys piligrimage.
If they ask for a mosque site, govt realeses immediately with more measurement and in any place, asking mullas, are you happy now?!!
I can give you 100's examples to show hindu's genorosity. But show in you Islamic country.
In pakistan, Hindus were 24% during 1947. now, just 1%, they are living with fear. In India?..... you know better than me.
Here my point is Hindus are so generous, gives respect to any one irresptive of religion, but you stupid Muslims? Am sure many muslims are not adamant as you are.
RE:@skype
by Comment on Apr 03, 2008 10:40 AM Permalink
Please dont make castles in the air come to ground reality. Answer me
1) As far as u no. is concerned why u people are Backward in modernisation,science and technology. 2) Why u dont stand anywhere in terms of militarily and economic power. 3) Why u r not strong in any of the sector whether manufacturing or Services(IT) 4) What is ur contribution to present world. 5) why u have maximum no of terrorists in the world. 6) why contriwes like Afghanisatan,Bangladesh,pakistan and iraq has gone into stone age. So dear rather than talking see the present conditions and do some introspection . Come out of ur shell ,use logics and there is the only way for salvation.
RE:@skype
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 08:58 AM Permalink
This uique Haji subsidey the paltry sum few crores is a fraud.I dont know why this Muslim beggars take this anti-islamic pratcise.Because one should sopend his own money for it. There are voices in Muslim community which are against this.It is politicians who are behind this joke called Haj subsidy-No where on earth this is here.I reject it unequivocally.
Now look at the plight of Muslims.5 decades ago-Muslims were almost ruling elite(British actually snatced from Muslim Mughals) now the most of them are begging in street and all these years who said the same Muslim appeasement theory-I think you guys will stop Muslim appeasement only after completely making us beggars in this counrty
Look at the Painter, MF Husain. how boldly he can talk and paint Hindu Gods. if RSS/BD/VHP prtests,they become anti nationals! He is there everywhere without fear.... Alas, His paintings are purchased by rich Hindus!! look at the height of tolearance! (or stupidity of Hindus?) No Fatwa...
Salman Rashdi & Bangladeshi writer? They get Fatwa!! Danish cartoonist? Fatwa......
The Most talented Kashmiri Pandits...with rich culture, high intelligency... they are on the streets of Delhi now. Just because they disagree to convert to Islam... balaord, 4 laks are on the streets in their own country... who cares? their votes doesnt count much... This is because of Muslims.
Before conquering the malaysia,Indonesia, were Hindu nations... Because of too much of trusting muslims, one fine day, like british, they overtook the rule.
Hindus will not kill muslims, they fight each other (Sunni v/s shia v/s sufis v/s kurds etc...) and die. westerners will take care of the funeral. The bravest & intelligent country in the world is undoubtably ISREAL.. you know why....!
RE:@skype
by abhishek Sharma on Apr 03, 2008 10:27 AM Permalink
Which MF Hussain you are talking about? Supream Court it self given the order to grab all of his Property. Only India you can get this kind of liberty. Why muslim people is not opposing the Haji subsidey and reservation and voting for the so called fake Sacular Parties like (MCP and Congress). In whole world only Hinduism is realy secular.
RE:@skype
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 09:06 AM Permalink
Hey even america's landscape is changing-Now who is killing and torturing them to become Muslims?
How Islam is winning the hearts of Hispanics in US from main stream US media
St Pittusburg times sptimes.com/2008/02/09/Hillsborough/America_s_Muslim_popu.shtml
Voice of America - The US government funded media outlet on Islam's growing influence on Latino population
RE:RE:@skype
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 09:02 AM Permalink
which Muslim country you are talking abiut?In which Muslim country Hindus are indigineous citizens. Ask some one working in Saudi -whether they love to come back to India or not.. Now dont ask equal rihts in saudi-because you are not the son of that soil.But I am Indian,Muslims DNA will 100 match with any Indian. So dont talk the crap of - you offering and I am receiving-This pysche itself tells that you feel you guys own this country and I am foreginer. I am indian and will live and die as one.This is my inalienable right.I dont need any one's mercy here
I am not making exclusive claims.I am against who bash Muslims without knowing the scientific legacy of Islam. I am proud that India contributed to a great extent to the Mathematics. I belive in shared legacy and alliance of civilizations.This forum is made up of morons who never read books on science history and always ready to bash islam thats why I sound little harsh on certain claims. And I am always ready to argue on the legacy of Islam if you want!!!
RE:RE:@Arnav Singh
by Vasanth Srinivas on Apr 03, 2008 08:31 AM Permalink
No one is here to argue the "legacy" of any religion. The question is - WHY MUSALAMANS ARE AGAINST HUMANITY AND THEIR OWN COUNTRY. For god sake, please dont start your lectures on what Islamic scholars did 1000 years before. Give us one reason, why you opt for a terror path NOW, in the 21st CENTURY. Dont go back to 7th century.
RE:@Arnav Singh
by Comment on Apr 03, 2008 10:41 AM Permalink
Please dont make castles in the air come to ground reality. Answer me
1) As far as u no. is concerned why u people are Backward in modernisation,science and technology. 2) Why u dont stand anywhere in terms of militarily and economic power. 3) Why u r not strong in any of the sector whether manufacturing or Services(IT) 4) What is ur contribution to present world. 5) why u have maximum no of terrorists in the world. 6) why contriwes like Afghanisatan,Bangladesh,pakistan and iraq has gone into stone age. So dear rather than talking see the present conditions and do some introspection . Come out of ur shell ,use logics and there is the only way for salvation.
RE:RE:RE:RE:@Arnav Singh
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 08:45 AM Permalink
If you want a priview of documantary on this subject see the Muslim rule of spain (i am refering to that because now Muslim rulers are bashed too much in India and hatred for them has ingrained into your hearts)
RE:@Arnav Singh
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 08:42 AM Permalink
Against Humanity??Muslims were torch bearers of tolerance to the most part.There were rulers who were cruel -but by far Islam set the standard for human rights..
Read history and dont educate yourself from the sensational media
The universally accepted ideals which you guys seems to be so obsessed with are actually influenced by Islam.Read Two Time Pulitzer Prize winning author's ground breaking New Book God's Crucible-Islam and the Making of Europe-This book explains how Muslim spain's legacy of tolerance and rich heritage of scientific accomplishments shaped Europe. Historian David Levering Lewis challenges the eurocentric historians and the current ludicorous and biased popular perception of Islamic civilization
This is one of Washington Post's publication's review of the book
RE:@Arnav Singh
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 08:48 AM Permalink
If you are really sincere in knowning on the legacy of tolerance and peace -then read this Book
The Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews, and Christians Created a Culture of Tolerance in Medieval Spain
Wriiten by world renowned scholor Maria Rosa Menocal -She is Sterling Professor of the Humanities at Yale University and also the Director of the Whitney Humanities Center
who is María Rosa Menocal? yale.edu/opa/v34.n15/story4.html
RE:RE:RE:@Arnav Singh
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 08:43 AM Permalink
who is Lewis? Author Lewis - Once president of the Society of American Historians and Two time Pulitzer prize winning author and currently a professor of history in Newyork univeristy Link silverdialogues.fas.nyu.edu/page/David_Levering_Lewis
Balaord! You love India more than we love?? What is the secret of reading our minds, dude? Oh%u2026Telepathy%u2026%u2026!
Muslims had rich history? %u2022 Islam born with the policy of showing sword & convert. History has seen maximum no. of killings by muslims other than Hitler. When Mohammed conquered his nighbouring kingdom, first he converted them and increased the numbers,cut apart the ppl who had not agreed. Women were raped and added to Islam. %u2022 While U talk about todays Stanford University, you forgot the world%u2019s first University. The Great Nalanda university was attacked by Ghazni. They torched the most valuable library, millions of Sanskrit literature were burnt down. And some of the scholars were taken to his kingdom . Those fearful scholars not only translated valuable Sanskrit literatures to Arabic. Eventually the mathematics developed by these scholars became Arabian Mathematical Knowledge! What a shame! This history of mathematics part is not available in Stanford, because they referred to the history written by British. Stanford University%u2019s professors have freedom to have their website and to publish their independent papers. %u2022 During muslim rule in India, thousands of temples were floored. Protesters were beaten to death. Non converts were shown swords, then straight to heaven or hell. Countless women were raped. Had Great Shivaji not born, India would have been Islamic country today. %u2022 Taj Mahal%u2026%u2026
RE:To the idiot called balaord
by Skype net on Apr 03, 2008 07:53 AM Permalink
Continued..... Taj Mahal%u2026%u2026 Hahahaha! The gift of muslims to India%u2026%u2026.. bullshit. It was a Shiva temple, the real history is available online%u2026 Am sure you are not that fool to ask the link. Muslims created problems where ever they entered. You call it as Jihadi, terrorism, love for the religion, Quran effect, uncultured people%u2026%u2026 all are same. Look at the Islamic states world over. Except oil rich countries, all are in barbaric stage. Oil rich countries are run by westerners. Today in all peace countries, ppl hate muslims. Best thing I liked in western non-Islamic countries is they wont allow to shout in Microphone in mosques! When Alla is everywhere, why should you shout for him in mic!
