RATHER, AS PER LATEST RESERACH, SCIENTISTS, REASERACHERS FROM NORTHERN INDIA WERE SO MUCH PERSECUTED THEY FLED TO KERALA- AND DEVELOPED MATHEMATICS- KERALA MATHEMATICS, WHICH IS SAID TO HAVE INFLUENCED EVEN NEWTON THRO' MISSIONARY PORTUGESE.
One of the scientific breakthroughs claimed in Quran is that of embroyology
Its interesting that in your article, there is mention of a scholar called Galen
In fact, Galen 1000 years before Muhammed had already told the same things with greater clarity! If u combine the embroyology works of Galen and Sushruta (indian scholar) - u have a more through description of embroyology than Quran ...
In quran the description of the different stages of embroto formation is not exactly scientifically correct!
I have a pdf for this on my laptop ... i will try and search the original site and forward later ..Bye
RE:Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by on Apr 02, 2008 09:58 AM Permalink
Truth has come and falsehood shall perish. Falsehood by its very nature is bound to perish. - quote from the HOLY QURAN- For all your Gyan you are wrong - MR GYAN. Dont try to subvert the truth, you will never succeed. The truth is out there - everywhere. Your posting something is not going to alter the spread of truth. ISLAM IS HERE - TO STAY!!! what say ?
RE:Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 10:33 AM Permalink
I PRACTICE AND PREACH THE TRUTH ONLY ! I have not mentioned anywhere about islam staying or not ! I have just said that with the speecific topic of embroyology, The Quran is neither original nor completely true ...
If u have anything to offer on the basis of substantive evidence, I am ready to hear ... your just making bland statements of truth vs falsehood mean nothing
RE:Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by Faisal Muhammad on Apr 02, 2008 06:16 PM Permalink
If you did "practise and preach the truth only" then would you please elaborate "in fact, Galen 1000 years before Muhammed had already told the same things with greater clarity!" (just a link would do) We are dying to hear your Gyan.
RE:Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 09:26 AM Permalink
One of the scientific breakthroughs claimed in Quran is that of embroyology
Its interesting that in your article, there is mention of a scholar called Galen
In fact, Galen 1000 years before Muhammed had already told the same things with greater clarity! If u combine the embroyology works of Galen and Sushruta (indian scholar) - u have a more through description of embroyology than Quran ...
In quran the description of the different stages of embroto formation is not exactly scientifically correct!
I have a pdf for this on my laptop ... i will try and search the original site and forward u later ..Bye
By Prof. Fung Kam Wing Associate Professor, Department of Chinese The University of Hong Kong
.. Ma Yize (A chinese Muslim -Muhammed Yize)His job was to provide observation, and computation of the regularities in celestial phenomena, using the Islamic methods... ..This is the most important occurrence in the Chinese history of calendrical methods..
How Islam has kept us out of the -Dark Ages ....But how many of us have heard of Al-Kindi, Ibn Sina, Al-Razi, Ibn Al-Shatir, Ibn Al-Haytham or Al-Tusi? They are all Muslim scientists who made equally great contributions to science, between the 7th and 15th centuries- during the era known as the Dark Ages. Until recently, the era has been glossed over by historians who happily leapt from the fall of the Roman Empire straight to the Renaissance. But it-s time for the West to recognize its debt to those Islamic scientists of the past, who forged ahead while Europe stagnated...
RE:channel 4 - The leading televsion channel of UK on Islam and West
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 09:22 AM Permalink
LOOK HOW MISLEADING BALAORD IS -
This is what is written in the articles quoted by balaord:
As Islamic civilisation spread further into southern Europe, vast treasuries of long-forgotten knowledge from conquered lands were taken back to cities like Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo and Cordoba where they were translated into Arabic.
This clearly shows that Islamic science was based upon and influenced/translated from earlier works
Let us not then give the credit to Islam alone ! THAT WOULD BE INTELLECTUAL APOSTASY
RE:RE:channel 4 - The leading televsion channel of UK on Islam and West
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
THIS IS ALSO FROM BALAORD'S ARTICLE:
The concept of zero reached medieval Europe through the Arab nations who had probably learned of it from ancient Hindu and Chinese cultures. Prior to this Europe struggled with a system of Roman numerals, in which large numbers would consist of huge strings of letters. Once zero was incorporated, numbers took on the more manageable decimal system that we use today.
THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE VERY DECIMAL CONCEPT USED FOR SCIENCE WAS FROM HINDU FOUNDATIONS ...
in fact, the works of early indian astronomers use the decimal system for counting !
RE:Answer me balaord
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:41 AM Permalink
This simply shows your knowldge of history of science.Huge translation took place from arabic to latin during the middle ages and thats what paved renaissance..
Thats was the center of intellectucal activity?what stopped the Latin europe to learn from Greece directly ?why they have to translate Greec to arabic and then from Arabic to Latin
RE:RE:Answer me balaord
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:49 AM Permalink
The Korean Adaptation of the Chinese-Islamic Astronomical Tables
springerlink.com/content/h71pupd6jf5tv9cu/
By YUNLI SHI1 - Department of the History of Science and Scientific Archaeology University of Science and Technology of China Hefei, Anhui 230026, P.R. China
RE:Answer me balaord
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:41 AM Permalink
Read Two Time Pulitzer Prize winning author's ground breaking New Book God's Crucible-Islam and the Making of Europe-This book explains how Muslim spain's legacy of tolerance and rich heritage of scientific accomplishments shaped Europe. Historian David Levering Lewis challenges the eurocentric historians and the current ludicorous and biased popular perception of Islamic civilization
This is one of Washington Post's publication's review of the book
RE:RE:Answer me balaord
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:42 AM Permalink
who is Lewis? Author Lewis - Once president of the Society of American Historians and Two time Pulitzer prize winning author and currently a professor of history in Newyork univeristy Link silverdialogues.fas.nyu.edu/page/David_Levering_Lewis
Speech on University of Cambridge admin.cam.ac.uk/news/dp/2008031004
World is not blind to the facts. There is a reason Muslims are isolated. It is because of their actions and behaviour in a modern world. In a modern world information travels fast. Internet and media will immediately spread the news about barbaric behaviour. People are not going to change their opinion, unless Islam changes its ways.
RE:Get rid of your primitive thinking, you will prosper
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:35 AM Permalink
These not not Islamic soucres-Look at the leading televsion channel of UK -channel 4 says this in its own website
How Islam has kept us out of the -Dark Ages ....But how many of us have heard of Al-Kindi, Ibn Sina, Al-Razi, Ibn Al-Shatir, Ibn Al-Haytham or Al-Tusi? They are all Muslim scientists who made equally great contributions to science, between the 7th and 15th centuries %u2013 during the era known as the Dark Ages. Until recently, the era has been glossed over by historians who happily leapt from the fall of the Roman Empire straight to the Renaissance. But it-s time for the West to recognize its debt to those Islamic scientists of the past, who forged ahead while Europe stagnated...
RE:Get rid of your primitive thinking, you will prosper
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 09:27 AM Permalink
LOOK HOW MISLEADING BALAORD IS -
This is what is written in the articles quoted by balaord:
As Islamic civilisation spread further into southern Europe, vast treasuries of long-forgotten knowledge from conquered lands were taken back to cities like Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo and Cordoba where they were translated into Arabic.
This clearly shows that Islamic science was based upon and influenced/translated from earlier works
Let us not then give the credit to Islam alone ! THAT WOULD BE INTELLECTUAL APOSTASY
RE:RE:Get rid of your primitive thinking, you will prosper
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 09:28 AM Permalink
THIS IS ALSO FROM BALAORD'S ARTICLE:
The concept of zero reached medieval Europe through the Arab nations who had probably learned of it from ancient Hindu and Chinese cultures. Prior to this Europe struggled with a system of Roman numerals, in which large numbers would consist of huge strings of letters. Once zero was incorporated, numbers took on the more manageable decimal system that we use today.
THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE VERY DECIMAL CONCEPT USED FOR SCIENCE WAS FROM HINDU FOUNDATIONS ...
in fact, the works of early indian astronomers use the decimal system for counting !
RE:Get rid of your primitive thinking, you will prosper
by Spread TheWord on Apr 02, 2008 10:03 AM Permalink
You may be right in part. Muslims may need to change. But ISLAM cant. Its PERFECT as it is. Islam (not muslims) is having the upper hand today. With the spread and access to information, Islam has only to gain.
RE:Truth
by Spread TheWord on Apr 02, 2008 10:05 AM Permalink
Try what you may, Sangh Parivar, you must surely know you cannot resist ISLAM. That's because GOD is blowing the wind of the sails of ISLAM
RE:Truth
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:06 AM Permalink
I am not excluding the contribution of great minds of India -How ever it is the universality of Islam which made the flow o knowledge from east to west and every where
Arabic was the language of science for 1000 years and thats why books from other languages and other countries got translated to arabic. When there is a center of intellectual activity,it is only natural that this happens!!!
why earth Indian number system has to go through Arabs? why on earth all the so called Greek knowldge has to be translated to arabic and then to Latin? Is Arabia very near to London that Greece?
Why no books were directly translated from sanskrit to chinnese..or sanskrit to greek? It is simple-Arabic was the language of science and thats why it took that route..
RE:Quran was copied !!!
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:04 AM Permalink
What is has to do with Quran copying???As to the copying of mathematics - Can you answer this question first? Arabic was the language of science for 1000 years and thats why books from other languages and other countries got translated to arabic. When there is a center of intellectual activity,it is only natural that this happens!!!
why earth Indian number system has to go through Arabs? why on earth all the so called Greek knowldge has to be translated to arabic and then to Latin? Is Arabia very near to London that Greece?
Why no books were directly translated from sanskrit to chinnese..or sanskrit to greek? It is simple-Arabic was the language of science and thats why it took that route..
I am not excluding the contribution of great minds of India -How ever it is the universality of Islam which made the flow o knowledge from east to west and every where..
RE:RE:Quran was copied !!!
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:17 AM Permalink
If you are not satisfied then here you have Mathematical Associatio of america-s website
maa.org/devlin/devlin_0708_02.html ....As mathematicians, we are all children of Islam...
RE:RE:RE:Quran was copied !!!
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 09:37 AM Permalink
THIS IS ALSO FROM BALAORD'S ARTICLE:
The concept of zero reached medieval Europe through the Arab nations who had probably learned of it from ancient Hindu and Chinese cultures. Prior to this Europe struggled with a system of Roman numerals, in which large numbers would consist of huge strings of letters. Once zero was incorporated, numbers took on the more manageable decimal system that we use today.
THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE VERY DECIMAL CONCEPT USED FOR SCIENCE WAS FROM HINDU FOUNDATIONS ...
in fact, the works of early indian astronomers use the decimal system for counting !
RE:RE:Quran was copied !!!
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:19 AM Permalink
Nothing novel?and thats why you feel Times magazine calls Al-Jazari the father of modern engineering?
RE:Quran was copied !!!
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 08:14 AM Permalink
you dont have to take the trouble of sending me book links-Yu hear what the most authoritative voice on Maths say Here is the confession from europe-s leading mathematical body-School of Mathematics and Statistics University of St Andrews Scotland
This is what it says ... ...Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Arabic/Islamic mathematics.Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of the Arabic/Islamic contribution than to that of the Greeks.....
RE:Quran was copied !!!
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 09:36 AM Permalink
LOOK HOW MISLEADING BALAORD IS -
This is what is written in the articles quoted by balaord:
As Islamic civilisation spread further into southern Europe, vast treasuries of long-forgotten knowledge from conquered lands were taken back to cities like Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo and Cordoba where they were translated into Arabic.
This clearly shows that Islamic science was based upon and influenced/translated from earlier works
Let us not then give the credit to Islam alone ! THAT WOULD BE INTELLECTUAL APOSTASY
