Hogenakal Falls (Kannada:%u0CB9%u0CCA%u0C97%u0CC6%u0CA8%u0C95%u0CB2%u0CCD), (Tamil:%u0B92%u0B95%u0BCD%u0B95%u0BC7%u0BA9%u0B95%u0BCD%u0B95%u0BB2%u0BCD), bordering Chamarajanagar district of Karnataka state and Dharmapuri district of Tamil Nadu state, is one of the beautiful waterfalls in southern India on the Kaveri River. It is located 46 km from Dharmapuri and 150 km from Bangalore[1]. The name Hogenakal is derived from Kannada. When the water falls on the rocks it appears as if smoke is emanating from the rocks because of the force of the water. Hoge in Kannada means smoke and Kal means rock thus giving the name Hogenakal aptly to the place.[1]
RE:Hogenakal Falls does not belong to TN alone.(Srini Bengaluru)
by mathura nathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:03 PM Permalink
I agree Hogenakal does not belong to tamilnadu alone rather it belongs to karnataka, andra, kerala,.. in fact to whole of the India. Just it is a name. Will you say that "Bay of bengal" belongs to Bengal alone since it has the name Bengal in it ? height of stupidity.
RE:Hogenakal Falls does not belong to TN alone.(Srini Bengaluru)
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:02 PM Permalink
Dear Srini, Kannada itself is derived from Baduga Tamil. 'Hoge' is modified from 'Pughai' meaning smoke. Kal is rock in Tamil too. 'Karnataka' is derived from "karu(mai) nadu" meaning land of black soil. Can TN claim the whole Karnataka as the word "Karnataka" is derived from two Tamil words?
RE:RE:Hogenakal Falls does not belong to TN alone.(Srini Bengaluru)
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:03 PM Permalink
A name is never a good criteria for claiming.
RE:Hogenakal Falls does not belong to TN alone.(Srini Bengaluru)
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
Well, from which language Tamil was derived from? Dont say that by itself. You know the Answer I believe. Now you know that from monkey, human being happened. Now dont say that in Tamil Nadu itself the whole evolution took place. To dispute your claims, black means kappu in Kannada. If some words sound similar & they are quite matching in meaning & pronounciation that doesnot means one is inherited from other. You know one my Tamilian colleague was telling that Japanese & Tamil is exactly similar. Now dont say that Japanese is derived from Tamil. My friend, we live in Democracy so we have to take each other's consent & proceed on deciding the matter not just simply display the Hitlerism just to impress some section of people.
RE:Hogenakal Falls does not belong to TN alone.(Srini Bengaluru)
by mathura nathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:40 PM Permalink
you dont understand the previous argument. It was a counter argument and not for claiming that Karnataka belongs to Tamilnadu.
RE:Hogenakal Falls does not belong to TN alone.(Srini Bengaluru)
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
Hello Manju, It was an argument put forth by me to emphasis that names cannot be a criteria for claiming power and to counter Mr. Sampige Srinivas argument that Hogenakkal belongs to Karnataka just because the name is derived from kannada words.
RE:Hogenakal Falls does not belong to TN alone.(Srini Bengaluru)
by Sampige Srinivas on Apr 02, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
Dear Mr/Mrs Saigeetha FYI Badaga language of Oooty is Kannada lanugage and Ooty and Niligiris distirict is a kannada area which has gone to TN because of the Cunning British who took it from Mysore Wodyars and Tippu and made it part of Madras Presidency and due to the TN politicians during State Reorganization.
Badaga is a variant of Kannada just ask the linguistic scholars about it don't just say what ever comes to your mind. Kannada is one of the oldest Dravidian lanugages and due to Cunning Tamilnadu Politicians it is not being given Classical Lanugage status by the Centre as they want to woo their alliance partner DMK. So don't telly silly things that Kannada is derived from Baduga Tamil. FYI Poge is old Kannada Hoge is New Kannada. Old Kannada and Tamil are derived from a Proto Dravidian Lanuage, so they are similar. Actually out of all the Dravidian Lanugages Kannada and Tamil are closely related. If Tamils stop acting Chauvinists then we both can become good friends, if not historically we are bitter enemies.
It is a pity we did not have leades with the vision and acumen of the late Hegde in Karnataka or Kamaraj, Rajaji or Bhaktavatsalam of Tamil Nadu to handle this issue. I appeal to all my brethren from Tamil Nadu and Karnataka not to be swayed by emotions whipped up cheap politicians on either side of the fence. It is time we reminded ourselves that there are no winners in conflicts of this kind. We are one nation and we are not fighting a war against another nation. The war of words unleashed in these columns by informed and civilized readers make me sad. Is it for killing each other in free India we gained independence from the British? Is it not shameful that a national party that seems to have patent rights on patriotism should incite emotions of Kannadigas with electoral gains in mind. Please wake up and remember didvided, we fall!
The claims by Karnataka is ridiculous. The cauvery water(meagre quantity) that karnataka releases to Tamilnadu is measured in Biliguntlu before entering Hogennakal and hence its Tamilnadu right to use the water in whatever way it chooses (in this case - a drinking water project to two water deficient districts of north Tamilnadu). Karnataka's business is to release water and doesn't have any right to determine how TN people should use it. Its their business.
Morover, Honenakkal project was sanctioned in 1999 with the largest aid coming from Japan but was closed due to various sanctions imposed on India (Pokhran tests).This project was long overdue. Karnataka never raised voice then!!!. They never claimed Hogenakkal during Veerappan days. Now suddenly they have woken up as they are doing on Belgaum and other land grabbing issues. One day, they may even claim the Wayanad of Kerala.
RE:Ridiculous!!!!
by Prashanth Kumar on Apr 01, 2008 12:55 PM Permalink
You tamil people are used to claim other's chaddi as yours.. Your political parties making it a political issue which could have been resolved peacefully.. Why was the project started without even taking permission from central government.. Your MP's hold key portfolio's in central ministry don't they think they are a part of India than being Tamil's first??
You can implement same drinking water project from Mettur dam which could have been economically viable for TN than Hogenakal, your PWD and Muncipal ministers want to make money for next elections though its expensive they choosed to go with hogenakal project isn't this very simple logic which could have been understood better???
RE:Ridiculous!!!!
by prasanna on Apr 01, 2008 08:02 PM Permalink
WHY THE HELL YOU CARE ABOUT TAMILNADU WE CAN BUILD ANY THING IN OUR STATE! ITS OUR STATE RIGHTS TO DO ANY DEVELOPMENT OR DISTRUCTION WHO ARE YOU?you guys cry like small kids for giving water which was made agreeement already.. i dont know what you guys are gonna take back when you die
RE:Ridiculous!!!!
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 01:02 PM Permalink
Mr. Prashant Kumar, This project becomes too expensive from Mettur dam as these districts are much closer to Hogenakkal than to Mettur. Morover, Mettur is surrounded by eastern ghats & a part of Western ghats which meet at Shervaroyan hills and it is practically very difficult and expensive to lay pipes thro' the mountains. There is a valid reason. I am sure you dont have full knowledge about the issue but just abusing as most of your friends do.
RE:Ridiculous!!!!
by Mayur Aandi on Apr 01, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
Dear Prashant, Take the map of India. Take a scale. Note also the inclination of the land. Find where Pugaikal is. using the scale measure the distance between Pugaikal and dharmapuri ( where the project it to be implemented) and from mettur to dharmapuri ( taking into consideration the inclination). Now you tell me, if you want to buid a tap in your house, will you build a storage tank above the roof level, or below the ground level?
RE:Ridiculous!!!!
by indu nagrajan on Apr 01, 2008 01:09 PM Permalink
being from Karnatak..how can you comment on politics .. don't you think it is funny after all political drama for past 6 months in Karnataka..... Wake up prashanth ..it is the political stunt to get votes from guys like you... Who blidly give expert comment on where the water should be taken from. remeber cauvery delta in tamil nadu feeds more people then cauvery delta in karnatak..if you think as an india you won't mind providing water to tamil nadu than retaining water in Karnataka just for votes.
RE:RE:Ridiculous!!!!
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 01:08 PM Permalink
This issue was politically painted not by TN ministers but by Karnataka's BJP on the eve of elections. TN Govt decided to implement this project soon after getting nod from Japan. It happened and they didn't want to delay it further for this project has been waiting since 1999. Check the facts right and kindly dont involve in hollow bashing
Please stop politics over Cauvery water. Only Central government can solve the issue at any time but they are keeping mum since they are an ally with DMK at the center and at the same time wants to play the regional politics to woo the voters.
The need of the hour is "Deploy Armed forces in Bengaluru and protect the fellow citizens from what is going to happen in few days".
