Very sad that we Hindus and Indians think that all the technologies that are mentioned in the vedas and ancient Indian scriptures are just considered as fiction and are written off. But the US people have taken them up seriously and have built various technologies. And they ahve developed lot of medicines even. I can a give a lot of examples. You know why? Because they all believed that Ancient India is full of wisdom. And one more thing - I recently presented my paper in the HFSA, washington. And there was another Prof DR. Barrie, who presented an interesting paper, and he said that BELIEF is very esssential for any nvention. They have believd our scriptures and they have progressed and we have not believed in our seolves and the progress is very slow.
RE:And Manoj!!!
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Sep 25, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
Ya george! I rad that info and infact in the library of Syracuse Univ there are translaitons of all Vedic texts. Including the vimana shastra. And i hope very soon the info will be available publicly. And believe me ther are real scientists working on the Hindu/Vedic religion and soon this will begin the real Good era for India and its sciences.
RE:And Manoj!!!
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Sep 25, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
gimme you mail id and probably I will send you a soft copy of the Vimana technology of the past. or mail me - sairavishankar_9@rediffmail.com and i will reply back to you. And now I will have tp go ahead and work. I have to catch up with a lot of things and so bye everybody. Keep the discussion on. This is a better discussion and a much needed one.
RE:And Manoj!!!
by Reuben on Sep 25, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
What a load of crap? Wright Brothers did not read vedas to develop airplane. Retrofitting current inventions to old science fictions (like the vedas) does not make the scripture progrssive..(sic!)
Stop patting your back for something written in 500BC (according to wikipedia) and start doing something now! Prof Dr. Barrie did not believe in vedas....rather probably believed in HIMSELF
RE:RE:And Manoj!!!
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Sep 25, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Oh I never knew that he contacted you and told that he did not believe in Our Scriptures.
Everyone is GOD. Its just that they donot realize this fact and think of themselves as individuals away from GOD. This is like a Kid going away from Father and suffering. The moment Kid comes back to Father, he will free himself/herself from the sufferings of the world. As simple as this is WHAT GOD IS. DONOT MAKE THINGS COMPLICATED BROTHER. LOGIC AND EBATES CANNOT MAKE YOU REALIZE GOD. Only calming down of your mind will yield the truth. When Muslims do Namaz or hindus do pryers in Temples or Christians do services in Church, the ultimate aim of all is to calm down mind. When a person calms down mind, he will know everything. Just like every material world is nothing but ultimately the energy (as per modern nuclear physics), the ultimate truth is that EVERYONE AND EERYTHING IS GOD. THIS IS FINAL. Those who go in this direction will be free from the clutches of the nature like life and death, diseases e.t.c and those who go against this will have to suffer life after life and at one point will have to look back again and correct their course. Universal laws doenot wokr as per your or my belief, but you have to know them correctly and follow them brother.
The only way to confirm progress in spiritual path is to evaluate if the person is free from the clutches of the nature and slavery to nature or not. nothing else is criteria for spiritual enlightment.
RE:DEAR wats: Answer for you
by Wats Up on Sep 25, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
Sridhar, I believe you are a sincere devotee. But i'll say lets look into the truth...and read wat religious scripture says...
GOD is One, GOD is Eternal
He begets not nor was He begotten
There is none like unto Him
None of your GOD hindus worship satisfies this defination..so y worship them...?
RE:RE:DEAR wats: Answer for you
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Sep 25, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
and wats up - How do you explain the fact that "God has created Man like His own Self" as mentioned in Bible?
RE:DEAR wats: Answer for you
by sathish ganapathy on Sep 25, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
U stupid mindless ppl! Y shud we calm our mind and attain God? does this stop the atrocities against all childre across the world like rape,abuse,slavery,killing et etc wat not? wat do those young minds know abt mediatation,calm ing or some mf?
RE:To Ravishankar...........
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Sep 25, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
Dear Wats up!!! Everyone who is born is at first ignorant. Why? even Jesus for that matter - He said initially that He is a messenger of God and then He says He is the Son of God and then Finally on teh Sacred Crucifix He says - My Father and I are One. Its not that He was ignorant - He showed us the path to God has certain steps - And these are the steps which Lord Jesus Followed. Everyone and all religions have only showed this path. It would be interesting for all of us if there is som story right?? And that is the story which Lord Ganesha followed. lord Jesus followed a different story based on the geographic region He came down. And Mohammed showed God thru a different path. They all are same.
The entire story of Ganesha and Shiva is gives 3 messages: a) Know your limits b) No Egoes at work, and c) Have a clear communication of exception
Trigger point is Parvati's bath. It is not abt safety. Now a days we are talking of women Lib and giving personal space. Hindus those days concieved all these and fabricated some stories around. Ganesha, the personal guard and tryst with Shiva is abll about how Parvati failed to communicate exceptions, Ganesha did not know limits ( did not know when to check with Bosses) and Shiva's high handedness at work.This is something all witnessed in our day to day life.
True these were fabricated and people say Binsar is the place where Ganesha got His elephant head.
Now this stories were to take out essence and apply it in our day to day life.
If you say were not all the parties involved were GOD. Then, we look at them as GOD then SHIVA=GANESHA=PARVATI says Isavasya Upanishad That then transports us to a different plane. Ravishankar's point is abt missing out these essence and lessons that Hinduism preaches.
You would know that Hinduism recognised that ppl will have very different learning styles and came out with 6 upanishads in which Isavasya is for intellectuals who can absorb abstract things. Kathoupanishads is the story telling methodologies. mandukya and kena upanishads are Q&A/logical discussions.
Atleast now, let us absorb essence and understand the t
In Hinduism the concept of God is supreme and not childish like other religions. The problem is some stupid dont read all the texts and shout at this blog many times. Hinduism existed several attack for million of years. Its philosophy is very sound and thats why it has existed and ever-exisiting. To look for the definition of God read Geeta and Upanishada. Since most of the Vedas are lost and destroyed, only 4 Vedas are not sufficient to have right idea abot God. Krishna defined God as no beginning, no end, nor form. He is the only one defined God like that way and showed His world view-the only proof in Geeta. We all are created from Brahma so we all have Godly character. Thats why monks achieve supreme state what we call Godly. You wont understand these with your stupid brain. REad what scientists said (Erwin Schrodinger-WHat is life)
RE:Hinduism
by Wats Up on Sep 25, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
Did I read other religion as "childish" ??:) who pray tree, Snake, Monkey, Elephant....Stones ....dont hv the time to list 33 crores...Did you call worshipping idols as supreme?? No...it's stupidity..no offense intended.. Here you comes on point derc cruse... You said, you religious scripture is corrputed...OOPSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! Vedas got corrputed...Damn!! So since your religious scripture is corrupted..I'll ask u to do some HOME WORK and read scripture which is not corrputed from other religion. May be, u might guide to the right path ....I'll pray for u..
RE:Hinduism
by SSK KSS on Sep 25, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
33 crores is still finite. There are infinite forms of God and we Hindus worship those forms and make new forms also to cultivate compassion towards the whole existence that has positive value. In the same way we curse the evil Rakshasas who are symbolic to wickedness, and cruelty. Our scriptures are not corrupt and can never be. Vedas are eternal and those who practice compassion do not need things to be written somewhere. We develop spirituality by simple means through intuition. Ram Sethu project definitely is a wicked joke to hurt the sentiments of Crores of Hindus. This intention is what we are against; Our appeal to the govt is to find alternative means but not to stop progressing. I hope the uncompassionate rationalists can understand the view point.
Agreed Hidus pray to Stones,Snake etc.Prototyping is a common form of scaling up.Hindus percieved stone as God and not God as stone becos, they felt that infinite blissful truth cannot be comprehended by a limited mind and so to get our mind fixed, idols were used. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was so fixed with kali that his guru had to chide him to focus on going from form to formless. Snakes represents ego and also our consciouness follow a wave pattern which is much like snake.Vishnu lies on a snake bed which shows He has suppressed the ego. Shiva wears snakes as Graland which represents that He is an ultimate form of consciousness. Now where and No one in hidnsu ever came back and re visited Gita or Vedas. It is called Sanarthana dharma- Sustainable truth beyond time, caste and creed.
Worshipping monkey is an amazing stuff. Mind is like a monkey ever volatile and vagary. But when the same mind is focused on God and Good work ti becomes an object of worship. So is the case with Bull which is Shiva's vehicle. Look at it in another way, it also shows what a good friehndship can do to you. Snake is pernicious but when it befriends God, it is vernerable. We listed 3 crs of God and infact that was the population then. In hinduism every one is God- ISA VASYAM ITHAM SARVAM YETH KINCHIT JAGATH. God pervades and permeates in all being. Wats up, for all you know we all in hnduism is considered as God the only problem is we have not realised it yet. Hindusim endeavo
Converts are more fanatic than believers - old proverb.
People like David, Wats up and others are recent converts to most probably by missionaries/evangelicals and engage in "look my faith is better than you"!
Muslims are fanatic, and its rare they engage in abusing other religions which is speciality of xtian bigots since ages.
No wonder, they are beaten up in India when they speak in the language in public.
When they do these in Muslim areas, they are simply blasted away!
These bat**ds feel emboldened because of Maino, little realizing those days of colonial polemic is proving dangerous for congress.
RE:Converts are more fanatic than believers - old proverb
by Wats Up on Sep 25, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
Mr Mukherjee...You came to an extreme path of abusing others and using bad words :) No worries!! I can take cricisim with smile :) say cheez....
haha.. I'm not a missionary but I think if can be guided 2 the right path, I can take that position....And for ur knowledge, I am not convert, I am guided from my birth by GOD and dnt involve myself in idol worshipping...u need to gain ur knowledge abt other religion instead of blabering...
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sridhar..But by your defination, it seems like I AM GOD and YOU are GOD...in fact every individual is a GOD...Billions and Billions....n.. But can you explain me what's written in your Vedas and not wat some sadhus created some wierd imagination abt GOD and astray the human being...PLS FIND OUT WAT VEDAS SAYS..If you can't then I"ll explain you in details abt GOD. I give you next half an hour...Go find the fact Sridhar..It's better to find the fact rather then getting astray.
RE:To Sridhar!!! RE:RE:Define GOD pls
by ice tea on Sep 25, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
wats up, u are not god, you are dog becoz you are still using only yr fifth sense.Hinduism existed time immemorial and there could have been a technology where elephant head can be placed on a human and flying could have been possible.The point is, you open your mouth wide and watch speilberg's jurassic park and come home and discuss, yeah it existed or whatever.Those days,people would like to narrate interesting stories of gods which will have moral values and just to take peoples attention.I believe the concept of god came into picture when men were totally uncivilized and they need some unknown medium to fear about.I strongly believe hindusim existed for somany years becoz of these virtues.when u listen to radio, do u see the radiowaves? no,but u need some stuff to findout that something unseen is doing some stuff and u can listen to rock n roll. why dont u try to understand that invisible stuff rather than simply fooling around here
RE:To Sridhar!!! RE:RE:Define GOD pls
by sridhar gorantla on Sep 25, 2007 10:38 PM Permalink
Everyone is GOD. Its just that they donot realize this fact and think of themselves as individuals away from GOD. This is like a Kid going away from Father and suffering. The moment Kid comes back to Father, he will free himself/herself from the sufferings of the world. As simple as this is WHAT GOD IS. DONOT MAKE THINGS COMPLICATED BROTHER. LOGIC AND EBATES CANNOT MAKE YOU REALIZE GOD. Only calming down of your mind will yield the truth. When Muslims do Namaz or hindus do pryers in Temples or Christians do services in Church, the ultimate aim of all is to calm down mind. When a person calms down mind, he will know everything. Just like every material world is nothing but ultimately the energy (as per modern nuclear physics), the ultimate truth is that EVERYONE AND EERYTHING IS GOD. THIS IS FINAL. Those who go in this direction will be free from the clutches of the nature like life and death, diseases e.t.c and those who go against this will have to suffer life after life and at one point will have to look back again and correct their course. Universal laws doenot wokr as per your or my belief, but you have to know them correctly and follow them brother.
RE:To Sridhar!!! RE:RE:Define GOD pls
by weare on Sep 25, 2007 10:55 PM Permalink
now mosque church and temple became hub of terrorist, fundamentalist, political, conversion hub. i don't know how they clam down their mind. they are spoiled their mind in these prisons
RE:RE:To Sridhar!!! RE:RE:Define GOD pls
by ramki on Sep 25, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
All of you could not have existed without god. God is in our deeds,thinking and help done to others. You dont need stethoscope to listen the heartbeats,feel within you will realize him.Its applicable to shriram or anyother Hindu god. the useless discussion about his existence or not , shows criminal behaviour.
RE:To Sridhar!!! RE:RE:Define GOD pls
by sathish ganapathy on Sep 25, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
How do u explain the child abuse, child rape, 9/11, etc against all children? Does God has any hands on it? Plzzzzzzzzzz use ur brains!
RE:To Sridhar!!! RE:RE:Define GOD pls
by sathish ganapathy on Sep 25, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
Its their belief from childhood which makes their mind not to accept the reality and science. If these theists believe in non-existence of Ram,Jesus,Allah then it makes a mockery of their parents, elders from their family which many of us do not want to. Hence, stupidly they accept and live rather to think over it.
RE:To Sridhar!!! RE:RE:Define GOD pls
by derc cruse on Sep 25, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
@ Wats Up
In Hinduism the concept of God is supreme and not childish like other religions. The problem is some stupid dont read all the texts and shout at this blog many times. Hinduism existed several attack for million of years. Its philosophy is very sound and thats why it has existed and ever-exisiting. To look for the definition of God read Geeta and Upanishada. Since most of the Vedas are lost and destroyed, only 4 Vedas are not sufficient to have right idea abot God. Krishna defined God as no beginning, no end, nor form. He is the only one defined God like that way and showed His world view-the only proof in Geeta. We all are created from Brahma so we all have Godly character. Thats why monks achieve supreme state what we call Godly. You wont understand these with your stupid brain. REad what scientists said (Erwin Schrodinger-WHat is life)
