I am an atheist, and I know that Karunanidhi is a racist, not an atheist. Not enough Tamils are condemning his racism, and are giving him a free pass. I would urge more Tamils to speak out against this thug and his racist agenda, through which he hopes to damage India.
guys out here has been spreading the canard that Dravidians practised 'real' Hinduism and Brahmins originally Europeans corrupted it through caste system? If so what are the religious books of the 'real' Hindus, what language they spoke, what do they follow, do they worship anything ?
RE:Are the following Hindu beliefs real or just myths
by san man on Sep 26, 2007 06:06 PM Permalink
Dollar Anand pretends to be a rationalist. I am an atheist and a rationalist, and I say that economic rationalism is the cornerstone of all rationalism. How would it be possible for some "elite upper caste" to suppress economic activity and development in the entire population? What kind of rational diagnosis is this? It's paranoia and not reality. People become backward due to bad economic choices, not the other way around -- people don't suddenly become backward become of some declaration by fiat. Yours is the irrational position.
RE:Are the following Hindu beliefs real or just myths
by Asim Mehtani on Sep 26, 2007 06:20 PM Permalink
The Rediffmail provides small space to expain to you all the points. In short, if you believe, then everything is there, and if you do not believe then nothing is there. In regard to Casteism, Sati, Dowry etc. all are these Social factors. If there is any drawback in our Dharam, then the cure is also in our Dharam. We should not need to go anywhere. We in Hindusim, all people are free to speak. We do respect to those Hindus also who do not believe in God. There is magazine called 'Sarita', which is anti Hindusim, but that magazine is still continuing. If you hear the views of scholors, intellectuals, you will find the different interpretations, but respect to each others are always there. According to Gita, Changes are always for Better. Nothing is stagnant. The life keeps on changing. This is the basic fact of the life, and we Hindus have adopted the same. As all know, that good, and bad things exist together, you cannot eliminate bad things in toto, but you can minimise the same by adopting good things, proper analysations etc. The adoptation of good things is called Dharam. Therefore, Dharam should prevail.
RE:Are the following Hindu beliefs real or just myths
by on Sep 26, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
Those days were much more advanced than today's science. science has just started cloning & stem cells now. they had technologies much advanced to these. not only in this field but in aviation, they had spacecrafts on different techonology, defying gravity. on the principall that yogis still go up about 2 feet in the air on some kind of meditation. in warfare they had bramh astra, which was much more advanced specific purpose guided system, even than the modern day nuclear warfare. then in medicine, ofcourse, one does not need to say. and yoga ... it csn cure anything
RE:Are the following Hindu beliefs real or just myths
by vicky on Sep 26, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
i dont see anything wrong in most of your points. howevr some points show your ignorance of present day hinduism. hinduism is the only religion in the world that adapts to modern thinking and changes its cultural characterstics according to the time. it has no bookish rules and regulations. every one has his own interpretation of hindu religion. but basically, what is your problem?
A leader of this competence should not utter this short. Instead should have stated,
"The era of Mahabharat and Ramayan were so advanced that todays mankind cannot so easily interpret their existence and doings".
There is lots of scientific evidence in Mahabharat and Ramayan itself.
In Mahabharat, at its end there goes a powerful nuclear blast which more or less finishes up the humankind of that region. A mindful reading over this last text will tell you what was it actually. It has also described Dimensions more than of 3D. Lot more to add.
In Ramayan, Sampaki the super species-ed bird helps out the team to trace out the hide out of Sita. It helps by locating with its eagle eye (Like modern day sniffers). Based on that Hanuman checks down each and every island located south and finally traces down. These super species once existed and even few of its genre may still exist which arent caught for human sight.
In turn, Christs/Mohammand had been too badly exaggerated so that it has polluted millions of minds worldover. Moreover, both Bible and Quron are known for hell lot of contradictions within and preaching hatred/violence.
Atlast, Why cant you people keep your nasty mouth closed???
Karunanidhi has dragged religion and faith to politics much before most politicians of today. Karunanidhi used his anti-Hinduism all along for political gains for himself. His party and him have attacked a lot of superstitious beliefs that were part of ignorant, uneducated masses, who happened to be Hindus. They never dared to say anything against the same such beliefs in Islam or Christianity. If they ever did, he would have been history in a matter of few weeks. Instead, the atheist (?!) Karunanidhi will attend mosques and churches with his brethren. He has aligned with Muslim League, a religious party for most of the elections. Karunanidhi is a big coward and opportunist, who would never attack Islam or Christianity, because he wanted to be alive, and live well too. Hinduism can always be attacked, because Hindus are extremely tolerant.
Karunanidhi betrayed Periyar, when he made sexual accusations against Periyar and then broke away to form the DMK. Why are DMK-lovers pretending that Karunanidhi is a follower of Periyar, when he's not? Karunanidhi only quotes Periyar after the man is dead, but meantime he was a betrayer of him while he was alive. Karunanidhi is a stuntsman and an opportunist.
RE:Karunanidhi Betrayed Periyar
by Tamil Baiter on Sep 26, 2007 05:53 PM Permalink
how many wives does Karunanidhi have ? Does the "real" Hinduism as practised by Dravidians give permission for more than one living wife?
RE:Karunanidhi Betrayed Periyar
by BPL on Sep 26, 2007 06:32 PM Permalink
Hinduism never said that u can marry to more than one women when your first wife is alive.
Morever its the matter of time and conditions. Depending on these and your Grahasti(household conditions) you can exceptionally marry to another women.
why are comparing Karunanidhi to Hinduism if he is against hinduism???
When Benny Hinn visited India (Bangalore) around 2 years back, Millions of people got converted in to Christians. Because they get good facilities, like schools, colleges, Marriage halls etc., 80% of Indians are poor and cannot afford things and are forced to do so. Why don't even you people do something for the poor? Mr.Benny Hinn has read Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagvatgeetha,Vedas etc and he has full knowledge on Hindu Scriptures and he only picks error from it and explain it to Hindus and they get convinced. Why don't you people read bible and collect errors (lots are there) and explain to Hindus. Even many Indian Muslims are poor but they didn't convert to Christian because in every muslim house there is a Quaran and they teach them prayers and rules and regulations of Islam. Why don't you people do so. How many of you Hindus are having your scriptures books in your house? (reply to your heart) not to me. Since this topic is about History, let me refrest your mind that Muslims have ruled INDIA for more than 1000 years and now also there are more than 82% of Non Muslims in INDIA. This is the proof that Muslims don't force anyone to accept ISLAM. Yes regarding terrorism we are blamed. But can anyone tell me any other way to fight with Americians. No even Americians killed many innocients, Most death happend in the battle field of Mahabharatha. Muslims majority is growing because we don't make family planning and Christians force to Convert. U guess the future of Hindustan.
RE:India in Future
by Sam on Sep 26, 2007 05:44 PM Permalink
Dear Hussain,
You are totally wrong. Benny Hinn spread the message of GOD and lot of people got touched by God got healing and miracles. First of all you should understand christianity , I will brief you ,as per us, 1) We need to spread gods words to all including Muslims. 2) Help those are in need ,even to you also. Thats our mission. We don't want to convert any one to Christianity. But we wish each and every soul should go to Heaven. Do you know the history, How Pakistan,Bangladesh,Malyasia ,Indonesia even 12% of Indians converted to Muslims, they converted using sword. Jesus died for you. Not like any one else. Dont blame any one else. Even you people are not patriotic ,Yestedday,When we won T20 word cup, there were lot of problems where you people live in India.
RE:RE:India in Future
by Sam on Sep 26, 2007 06:02 PM Permalink
100 % India. I love my country always. Even I am ready to die for my country. Do you know ,My father invloved in 1971 war against Pakistan. First of How you think,I will support Vatican. My country is India,My religion is Christianity.
RE:India in Future
by ALIYAR HUSSAIN on Sep 26, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
you save this link, whenever you get free time read it and you will get all the answers and you will gain fact knowledge also. Thanks for your time http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
RE:RE:India in Future
by R K on Sep 26, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
1. Jesus (pbuh) was neither killed nor crucified.
2. Jesus (pbuh) was raised to God's presence.
3. The unbelievers were shown someone resembling him.
4. The unbelievers' ideas on this subject consist of conjecture and speculation.
5. He is a sign of the Day of Judgment.
6. God taught him the Book - in other words, the Qur'an - in addition to the Torah and the Gospel (God knows best).
7. The People of the Book will obey him when he returns.
8. Those who follow him will be made superior to the unbelievers until the Day of Judgment.
9. He will return to Earth as an adult and will speak to people.
10. He will die after he comes again.
Jesus' (pbuh) return to Earth, one of the most important and greatest events in world history, is revealed in the Qur'an. Such good news will both increase the enthusiasm of those believers awaiting his second coming with joy and excitement, and will also cause them to accelerate their preparations for this event. On the other hand, this evidence will also remind those who have not really thought about this event and, hopefully, will cause them to raise their awareness of the issue.
RE:India in Future
by Tamil Baiter on Sep 26, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
stop your stinking proselytization. If you got any answers explain the concept of virgin birth in scientific terms.
RE:RE:India in Future
by advani on Sep 26, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
That Christ will be born of a virgin was foretold by prophet Isaiah long before the birth of christ as a prophecy and as a one of the signs to identify HIM. There is nothing impossible for God whereas our science and imaginations are bound to certain limitations.
there are people who levitate. can you scientifically prove how they are levitating by defying gravity?? can anyone scientifically demonstrate the levitation concepts??
meanwhile, what do u believe in? science or god? do u have proofs for your belief? there are thousands of theories regarding the origin of life and the existence of this universe. but, there is no theory that is completely proven scientifically nor accepted by all the other scientists. every theory has its own limitations.
and, do u believe that man has landed on the moon? there are many scientists who say that US has faked the mission. so, can you decisively prove or disprove this? itz not possible brother! only those who had really landed on the moon can believe that for real. Others can only blindly believe what the world says.
similarly, only those who have really experienced God in their lives really believe in God. and those who have personally experienced Christ in their lives do believe in HIS words that are written in the Bible. so, they do believe that Jesus is born of Virgin Mary and that he rose from his grave and that he will come again to judge the people according to their deeds.
RE:RE:India in Future
by ALIYAR HUSSAIN on Sep 26, 2007 06:05 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Tamil Baiter,You save this link, whenever you get free time read it and you will get all the answers and you will gain fact knowledge also. Thanks for your time http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm regarding proving it in Scientific terms its has been already proved and 80% is right and the rest is also expected to be right because if 80% is right and you cannot blame that the rest 20% will be wrong, just wait and see. Anyhow regarding any Scientific terms to prove that Quaran is error free please feel free to mail me at aliyarhussain@yahoo.com.
RE:India in Future
by advani on Sep 27, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
Dear Aliyar Hussain,
If you are really interested to know the truth, read the real life story of Gulshan Esther, a crippled woman byb birth born to the direct descendants of Prophet Mohammad in Pakistan.
She was miraculously healed by Jesus Christ after she had many visions and revelations owing to her deligent seeking to knowm the true God.
She lives even now in UK spreading the good news she had experienced in her life to the world. Pls read her book "the torn veil" to know the facts. U can easily get them in google.
u can also watch her testimony (videos) in youtube and many other sites as well. If you really want to know the truth first see her testimony about Jesus Christ and come back with any questions to my cousin Daniel by mailing to daniel.dinakar@gmail.com
RE:India in Future
by Tamil Baiter on Sep 26, 2007 06:06 PM Permalink
virgin birth has been proved ? wow. Last time i checked only reptiles were capable of virgin birth.
RE:RE:India in Future
by advani on Sep 26, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
That Christ will be born of a virgin was foretold by prophet Isaiah long before the birth of christ as a prophecy and as a one of the signs to identify HIM. There is nothing impossible for God whereas our science and imaginations are bound to certain limitations.
similarly, only those who have really experienced God in their lives really believe in God. and those who have personally experienced Christ in their lives do believe in HIS words that are written in the Bible. so, they do believe that Jesus is born of Virgin Mary and that he rose from his grave and that he will come again to judge the people according to their deeds.
there are people who levitate. can you scientifically prove how they are levitating by defying gravity?? can anyone scientifically demonstrate the levitation concepts??
meanwhile, what do u believe in? science or god? do u have proofs for your belief? there are thousands of theories regarding the origin of life and the existence of this universe. but, there is no theory that is completely proven scientifically nor accepted by all the other scientists. every theory has its own limitations.
and, do u believe that man has landed on the moon? there are many scientists who say that US has faked the mission. so, can you decisively prove or disprove this? itz not possible brother! only those who had really landed on the moon can believe that for real. Others can only blindly believe what the world says.
RE:India in Future
by Sam on Sep 26, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
Even you are thinking Irfan Pathan got Man of the match (Because of he is Muslim), You never thought of he is a Indian Player. Lot many matches other religion Indian brothers received it. Tendulkar got more than any one in the world.
RE:RE:India in Future
by ALIYAR HUSSAIN on Sep 26, 2007 06:00 PM Permalink
Dear Sam, Good. You have given alternate for Irfan Pathan, what about Mr.A.P.J (Abdul Kalam) what do u feel about him? What he has given to India? B.T.W even I am a INDIAN.
RE:India in Future
by Ramesh P on Sep 26, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Definitely he is not a muslim like you and by characterstics he is more hindu than a muslim. He knows the bhagavad gita well and he himself said he was inspired by it. Now go and give a fatwa against him.
RE:RE:India in Future
by ALIYAR HUSSAIN on Sep 26, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Sam,You save this link, whenever you get free time read it and you will get all the answers and you will gain fact knowledge also. Thanks for your time http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
RE:India in Future
by BPL on Sep 26, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
Sam,
Lets go according to your points My replies follows in the qoutes to your points. 1) We need to spread gods words to all including Muslims. "Do you say Believe in allah to muslims and in ram to hindus for this ... Nope You rather say Jesus died for you and he is the only god"( i have personally seen this and if you want to criticise me on this will you tell me what should be done of such ppls who do so.
2) Help those are in need ,even to you also. Thats our mission. We don't want to convert any one to Christianity. But we wish each and every soul should go to Heaven.
"You people distrubute Money and free gift 'Bible' along with it to the poorer section of society who are obivisouly very less literate about their own religion. People who gets converted to Christanity are in need of money or are mainly Adivasi people. Dare you try converting educated section of society. Now please dont tell me some handy figures who were poor chaps"
Do you know the history, How Pakistan,Bangladesh,Malyasia ,Indonesia even 12% of Indians converted to Muslims, they converted using sword. Jesus died for you.
"What are u trying to explain here ???? Are u supporting the conversion or opposing it??? Poor Chap go to school before freely commenting here".
Even you people are not patriotic ,Yestedday,When we won T20 word cup, there were lot of problems where you people live in India.
"You are definately not an indian ...Cant you see the celeberating Muslim brothers rather than few proble
RE:India in Future
by advani on Sep 26, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
Dear BPL,
Please think practically. What does someone benefit by giving money to others and persuading them to convert??
pls come out of ignorance. these are all false rumours that have been spread by some miscreants.
I can tell you that no true christian will give some ransom for converting. But, a true christian will spread the good news that he knows to others. Thatz it. It is upto the listener to accept or not.
If some people are ready to change religions for money then they haven't changed truely. they are ppl who will fall wherever money falls.
RE:India in Future
by BPL on Sep 26, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
Dear Advani,
My comment in qoutes for your following extract
I can tell you that no true christian will give some ransom for converting. But, a true christian will spread the good news that he knows to others. Thatz it. It is upto the listener to accept or not.
"Will u please tell me what should be done to the people who are giving some ransom for converting"???
RE:India in Future
by Tamil Baiter on Sep 26, 2007 06:05 PM Permalink
Indian muslims will be beheaded if they convert to other religions, they have no option of converting. Poor souls.
RE:India in Future
by ALIYAR HUSSAIN on Sep 26, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
Yes u r right. In Islamic countries if anyone steals they cut his hands. There is a Capital Punishment for everything. It is always better to have a capital punishment. So that no one goes against the law.
RE:India in Future
by advani on Sep 27, 2007 12:00 AM Permalink
Benny Hinn has never spoken about other religions. he talks only about Jesus as mentioned in Bible. if you don't know this get some of his cds or dvds n watch his programmes.
pls don't be ignorant and believe in false rumours and keep spreading the same.
RE:India in Future
by younus siddique on Sep 26, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
HUSSAIN ..dont twist their souls ...
let them be in peace for some time ...they are frustrated souls ...they are already been humiliated by their own religious members and politicians ....
RE:India in Future
by Tamil Baiter on Sep 26, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
yeah and we can all see how muslims kill each other in all their gory glory in Iraq just for getting a shot at 72 virgins.
RE:India in Future
by on Sep 26, 2007 06:02 PM Permalink
We do not convert people ...and we don't need to..and that is the greatness of hinduism. You people don't follow family planning and thats what makes india more poor and filthy. Inspite of you not following flamily planning and christians converting, we are still 82% of India. Our greatness lies in allowing you to co-inhabit inspite of all your excesses, though we are majority. Don't you dare to incite us. And why do you need to fight anyone. Can't you live in peace with everyone like we do. You supress women in your community and fight always to others. You are the one who is making the planet earth a more dangerous place with every passing day. You put bombs and kill the fellow muslims. Is this what you call - fighting americans? Shame on you
RE:India in Future
by ALIYAR HUSSAIN on Sep 26, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
So Benny Hinn visited India to give his daughter to you? If he has the capacity to heal then why pope died? Regarding Conversion you see in road, people carrying a bible and speaking to non christian to visit the Church. Regarding Family planning we have the capacity to give birth to more childrens and also to feed them. Anyhow how much u have paid from your pocket to any muslim organization? For more questions please feel free to contact me at aliyarhussain@yahoo.com
RE:RE:India in Future
by advani on Sep 26, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
Benny Hinn himself said that he is not a healer and that God is the healer. Benny Hinn doesn't possess any special ability to heal on his own. God has chosen him as his vessel to touch the lives of the people for Benny Hinn has submitted himself to the will of God.
So many people got healed in Benny Hinn's meeting. whatz your scientific explanantion for that.
yes, those people whom u had seen on the raods distributing bible are only spreading the good news to others in roads. they will not give money or any other valuables to people like marketing agents. Please think practically. What does someone benefit by giving money to others and persuading them to convert??
pls come out of ignorance. these are all false rumours that have been spread by some miscreants.
I can tell you that no true christian will give some ransom for converting. But, a true christian will spread the good news that he knows to others. Thatz it. It is upto the listener to accept or not.
If some people are ready to change religions for money then they haven't changed truely. they are ppl who will fall wherever money falls.
RE:India in Future
by advani on Sep 27, 2007 12:00 AM Permalink
Benny Hinn has never spoken about other religions. he talks only about Jesus as mentioned in Bible. if you don't know this get some of his cds or dvds n watch his programmes.
pls don't be ignorant and believe in false rumours and keep spreading the same.
my god and your god is same with two different names.This god never responds. Than why are we fighting for a god who never responds. You ask your god and i ask my god. let us see whether he responds
