It is MK's greed for money and to leave millions to his already in power sons and daughters that he is no adamant about Setu project.Greedy goose.Let him cleanup TN by providing clean and safe drinking water and toilets than bring up a shipping channel.Toilets are the need of the Tamil people for the last 60 years and where was he all the while?
I have been trying to have a reasonable debate on the legacy of the Dravidian movement with MGR Fan and he comes up with ridiculous statements and plain lies..
RE:Facts necessary for debate
by MGR Fan on Sep 23, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
As per Jackson's logic -
Whatever he says is facts. Whatever DMK supporters say is fact. Whatever those who oppose DMK are plain lies.
No point debating with you. You are blind to reason.
One last thing - DMK is not TN and TN is not DMK . You support DMk as you like and to extent you like, dont expect everyone of us to support DMK family rule
RE:Facts necessary for debate
by Jackson on Sep 23, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
DMK represents TN more than you do,
Kalaignar was right, Ram worship is not traditional culture of Tamils. ONly a few Alwars and Vaishnavite sects worship Ram. Most Tamils diety is not Ram.
Besides Kulothunga CHola exiled the Saint Ramanuja for trying to bring in the Ram Culture.
Ram worship only took off after the Nayakers took control of Tamil Nadu.
Kalaignar was historically and socially right on that as well.
RE:RE:Facts necessary for debate
by MGR Fan on Sep 23, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
Atheism is not the tradition of Tamils either...
As far as Ram, there is Kamba ramayanam to disprove it. ... there are temples like Eri Kaatha Ramar temple.. of course, you will disagree on all that.
Nayakers are also part of TN. They are OBCs and sons of soil.
Karunanidhi may tell what he wants, alwars and vaishnavites are as much part of tamil culture as murugan or as Christians. Ayyavazhi is offshot of vaishnavism and deeply followed in TN by MBCs.
And of course people like you worship DMK , but again DMK is not same as TN
RE:Facts necessary for debate
by Jackson on Sep 23, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
Nayakkers are Telugu invaders and not Tamils .. You are absolutely ignorant ..
RE:Facts necessary for debate
by MGR Fan on Sep 23, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
What exactly is tamil then? Nayakars are now OBcs and part of society. Can you define racial origin of pure tamil? Answer is you cant. There is nothing like that. People who followed tamil culture and settled here are tamils. Incl muslims, christians and nayakars and MGR
There was no telugu, tamil divide etc...earlier you said all dravidans are same, now you divide telugu tamil .. funny...
RE:Facts necessary for debate
by dinesh kumar on Sep 23, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
opposition is necessary. what u r doing is propaganda. and entirely peppered with misinformation,half truths and lies. and u know it.
RE:Facts necessary for debate
by swan on Sep 23, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
wel said MGR....jackson does not want debate but wants someone to just accept his lie.
RE:Facts necessary for debate
by Lucky B on Sep 23, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
There is nothing like Dravidian, Aryan races. All are to gain political power.
Ideology made you believe blindly what your master says. Go and free yourself from DMK's slavery.
violence works as a tactic in India. When will we ever learn to have meaningful debate. Indians are a doomed race. Look at China despite having diffrences with India they are keeping quiet about it and in the meantime are developing so much faster than India. Apart from Africa I think nowhere else are there so many riots, state sponsored violence etc where the target is not some outsiders but Indians only. Shame on Indians. Fit to be slaves of Britishers
Lord krishna in Gita said "not a single leaf can move without my consent" . the controvesy around Lord Ram has the consent of Lord Ram Himself since this issue will make many people around the globe know about Ram and His principles based on truth n honesty. karunanidhi is saying n doing what is asked by Lord Ram Himself.
RE:RE:THE GREATEST LIVING TAMILIAN OF OUR TIMES...
by Shivkumar Singh on Sep 23, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
You may be right. Kalam Iyer (as he is called in Delhi) on account of his conservative values - simplicity, high thinking, interest in Veena, Hindu religion seems to be a good guy.
Million Vanakkams to Shri Vedanti. At last someone has spoken the truth about muthuvelu karunanidhi. Hopefully his prayers will be answered.
muthuvelu karunandhi is a hypocrite, someone who has hurt Tamils, Tamil people and Tamil culture more than anyone else.
Brave Tamils like murugan, who like Vir Bhagat Singh without hurting anyone fire bombed muthuvelu karunanidhi's daughter's house are needed to pack off this crooked DMK gang.
Gujrat is the most prosperous state of the country and inviting the maximum of investment...everyone even the minority is happy there now....one good reply for daring the godhra incident has made all to realise that all those bullshit against hindus wont be tolerated...theres a limit to everything and if things go out of control they would be paid back in the same coin.
Such a reply needs to given at national level too....be it called civil war, holocaust, ethnic cleansing or whatever all will get a proper answer for not to exceed the limits and that is the only way of making all these buggers understand.
RE:Want a Gujrat at National Level
by Bhaumik on Sep 23, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
Such shallowness and stupidity, and cruelty beyond human imagination!.
Jitesh, are you human? Go to Gujrat and see for yourself the suffering of the fathers and mothers and wives and children whose dear ones were murdered in the Modi-riots. Are you immune to human suffering? Then what kind of sympathy can you have for the victims of Godhra?
Such cruel mind-set reminds us of the way the Nazis used to think. Your religious fanaticism has made you immune to human suffering.. What kind of God you believe in? Is it different from the God of Jihadis, or is it worse than that? You are not a Hindu, you cannot be.. You are a pseuod-Hindu like the Modi/ RSS kind..even worse.
i am a north indian and i have lots of tamil friends from chennai. they all believe in ram .. and pls do not call them anti indian or anything.. it hurts me and it will also hurt my tamil friends.
no one is less indian or more indian.
this is a political gimmick.... pls do not fall prey to this.
do not post ur comments as a knee jerk reaction...
RE:pls do not blame tamils
by MGR Fan on Sep 23, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
Well said my friend.. DMK gets support only from 25-30% core blind supporters. DMK cant win any election here without national party support.
RE:pls do not blame tamils
by Jitesh Kumar Agrawal on Sep 23, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
tamils are the biggest chameleons my friend, be careful and remember my words you too will get that treatment...i know you will not agree now but hold on and let some time pass
RE:pls do not blame tamils
by Shivkumar Singh on Sep 23, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
Dont write nonsense.."Tamilians are chameleons". It is like saying "BANIAS ARE CHEATS".
RE:pls do not blame tamils
by Shivkumar Singh on Sep 23, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Noone is blaming Tamils. It is the DMK morons that are anti-national and deserve to be hanged.
The sucker muthuvelu karunanidhi insulted Indian Army. He has insulted Ram. Indians and Tamils would be fools if they tolerate this crook.
Just stop this nonsense. Nobody will care about you in the No DMK, AIADMK etc. These morons are politician. They are after power any money. They will get their votes. You guys will die for no reason.
