you cannot win war againist india,5th largest economy in the world,but try your chance on cricket war on finals of TWENTY TWENTY but not in Kashmir,that belongs to us
RE:PROPHET MOHAMMMED IS A MAAADHAR CHODDDH!!
by Navneet Thakur on Sep 23, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
who the fu.. told you to write these fu..ups...bas...you are the people who create tensions between communities. What topic was, about pakis, isn't it? You the f... gone somehwere else..
RE:RE:PROPHET MOHAMMMED IS A MAAADHAR CHODDDH!!
by Sitaram Acarya on Sep 23, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
Hello,
God is one. Allah is one of his name, meaning the almighty one. God sends his representatives to this earth to teach rebellious souls the codes of religion so that they can be happy in this world and after death go to heavenly planets or to spiritual world.
No, doubt Mohammed is a bonafide representative of God. He gave codes of religion(which we now call muslim religion) according to the mentality of people to whom he was teaching. He did God's service.
Now, this information about Mohammed seems wrong. May be it's just wrong information propagated over generations. Even if it is right there may be some solid reasons for him to do so. Those times and places were different for us to judge. Better to give benefit of doubt, take the lesson meant for us and move forward in life.
A broader attitude will make one's mind peaceful and pave way for liberation else doors to hell are opening in this and next life.
Shri Krishna said in Gita, "No matter what the price u pay for victory, victory is always cheap. We salute brave indian soilders who laid their lives and took back heights of kargil and forced pakistan to vacate the remaining hills and the world view also changed for india. The credit goes to the brave decission taken by the than defense minister shri l k advani"
RE:Kargil Victory
by Rajesh Raman on Sep 23, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
There is something wrong with REDIFF, i want to reply to Aryan but my message is appearing in Abhimanyu's reply box.....my appoplogies. Yes Aryan, you are 100 percent correct,we were absolutely unprofessional in fighting that ugly war....Where was all our Air power?? Why we didn't mutilate pakis by continuous pounding and carpet bombing ??What were those silly missiles doing which we boast in every parade?? Why we just put all our men under the fire where there was no way out?? We were ruthless, not at pakistanis but at our own men...poor men won that battle but they lost everything,all their friends,colleagues,young officers.....Why?? because some of our useless tactician were sitting in Airconditioned rooms in Delhi and were planning all the war games. Kudos to our soldiers who did not defy their seniors orders and kept on getting converted into dead bodies. I feel for them and at the same time want somebody to take the responsiblity of absolute failure of intelligence, i want someone to be hanged for failing absolutely for our counter attack startegy........Americans fought a war in 1991 in Iraq without loosing a man, why because it was all air power and missiles which won them that war, we could do the same instead we sent our men in those trecherous hills and not the missilies.....good one Aryan.Thanks
RE:Kargil Victory
by ARYAN PUNJABI on Sep 23, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
WE SALUTE THOSE BRAVE SOLDIERS BILLIONS TIMES WHO WERE PUSHED INTO A BATTLEFIELD WITH UNKNOWN ENEMY STRENGTH,STRATEGY,LOCATION and WEAPONARY.We salute the parents, brothers, sisters, wives and children of those brave soldiers who laid down their lives to save the honour of nation.This part of your message is beyond question. But other side of the coin is that it was a national shame.Mutilated dead bodies of soldiers of all ranks of first patrol parties remained in the battlefield for days. Where was Military Intelligence,RAW and IB for months when infilteration and fortification was going on inside Indian held territory !!!??? ON WAKING UP what strategy was planned as counter offensive !!!??? In such a situation a village securityguard (Chowkidar)would have done better than what top army brass did !!! Since nothing was known about enemy,Air Force alone should have been pushed in action for survillence followed by strikes !!! Troops pushed in action were not from the regiments who specilize in mountain warfare !!! Special ground troops were supposed to be the last to be sent to recapture enemy occupied positions after targetting and bombing enemy positions and supply lines!!! What top brass did was precisely opposite of what was required !!! Kargil war was a NATIONAL SHAME,A DEBACLE AND A DISASTER on part of top army brass and their political bosses !!! There is nothing to be proud of it to take six weeks by mighty Indian army to push few fighters back.
RE:Kargil Victory
by Affy Daffy on Sep 23, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
it looks like you have as much knowledge about military tactics and the difficulty of combat/counter offensive situations... which i can fit on a pin head... i dont need to say more.....also would like to respond to the ppl dragging religion, caste, ethnicity into every discussion on this website.... how does one get the right to call himself indian?? is it because of the religion, race or ethinicity the person is born into?.... one gets the right to call himself indian by serving this country and you dont have to be in the armed forces or govt to serve this country even a civilian by abiding to all laws and honestly paying his taxes, a doctor by diligently serving the ppl and doing justice to his profession etc are able to serve the country and if one serves and loves this country hes an INDIAN watever religion, race, caste ethinicty he belongs to. period.... u keep on talking abt soldiers here if possible learn from them they stand as one from the first to the last whatever religion race ethincity they are from....they are brothers they are indians
RE:RE:Kargil Victory
by Rajesh Raman on Sep 23, 2007 05:45 PM Permalink
i replied at wrong person ,who knows nothing about war...it was for you Aryan..................... by Rajesh Raman on Sep 23, 2007 05:44 PM Yes Aryan, you are 100 percent correct,we were absolutely unprofessional in fighting that ugly war....Where was all our Air power?? Why we didn't mutilate pakis by continuous pounding and carpet bombing ??What were those silly missiles doing which we boast in every parade?? Why we just put all our men under the fire where there was no way out?? We were ruthless, not at pakistanis but at our own men...poor men won that battle but they lost everything,all their friends,colleagues,young officers.....Why?? because some of our useless tactician were sitting in Airconditioned rooms in Delhi and were planning all the war games. Kudos to our soldiers who did not defy their seniors orders and kept on getting converted into dead bodies. I feel for them and at the same time want somebody to take the responsiblity of absolute failure of intelligence, i want someone to be hanged for failing absolutely for our counter attack startegy........Americans fought a war in 1991 in Iraq without loosing a man, why because it was all air power and missiles which won them that war, we could do the same instead we sent our men in those trecherous hills and not the missilies.....good one Aryan.Thanks
RE:Kargil Victory
by Anil Tandale on Sep 23, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
It is a cheap mentality of fault finding as to what the intelligence was doing for several days etc. The writers do not know the bad terrain or climate and the difficulties in gathering info or intelligence. If this be the truth always, then, who should be blamed for 1962, or Stalin can be condemned for German invasion in 1939. What matters is the final victory, the initial set backs are routine. the arm chair critics who live in air conditioned bunglows of south Extn, Malabar Hils etc. should send their children in National defence Academy and know the work culture and working conditions. These "jholawala" critics oppose even enhanced defence allocations by branding it as jingoism. Such people are vultures.
RE:Kargil Victory
by Rajesh Raman on Sep 23, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
Victoy !!!! at what cost my friend???? Life is not so cheap to be wasted just because of poor planning and leadership.
RE:Kargil Victory
by abhimanyu on Sep 23, 2007 05:00 PM Permalink
Fool, the militants occupied territory which belonged to ours and the army patrol units who went there was shot dead in the back by the pakistani foxes.
All the tactical and advantageous positions were occupied by the pakistani terrorists and soldiers ( many officers and soldiers were found dead in their uniforms and credentials ).
EVen from such an advantageous position, the Indian soldiers expelled them from there and thrashed them.
We were indeed fighting against professional pakistani soldiers and officers in these heights, and in spite of their advantageous positiong we thrashed them and defeated them and took back these positions.
This in itself shows the potency of the Indian soldier and the impotence of the pakistani soldier. Just imagine if the indians were in the pakistani shoes.
If we had such advantageous positions like the pakistanis did, we would not have lost the war like pakistan.
The kargil war showed the heroism and potency of the indian soldier and that he is world class, and at the same time showed the impotence of the pakistani soldier.
RE:Kargil Victory
by Kvins on Sep 23, 2007 05:52 PM Permalink
R u a dumb head ARYAN PUNJABI or a real Punjabi.. don't you understand everyone knew that the battle was getting to prepared..but then the politicians didn't do anything.. secondly the pakistan army terrorist were at much greater height adding to the advantage...
Well this is not a surprising news for INDIA and INDIANS.Pakistan is just a matter of 20 HOURS for India to put it back to stone age. But they are good in using their toung. Just like saddam who acted as if he is going to kill BUSH when he is just about to get hanged by the jailor.
India is a responsible democratic state with with whole aim to become NUMBER ONE in the world and it is preparing itself TO RULE THE WORLD WITHIN NEXT 35 YEARS.This is the reason why India is least bothered to hit Pak whenever they do crapp and hidden so called BRAVE ACTS (like parliment attack).
So Pakis.....if you are B-R-A-V-E and if you have back born.....STOP THIS SHADOW FIGHTING AND FORMALLY DECLARE A WAR AGANIST INDIA and show the world that you can win over INDIA.
No pakis...I was just writing about your DREAMS...and DREAMS ONLY.
RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by ramanujam narayan on Sep 23, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
They never took the bodies of killed solders and also awarded bravery awards to amry officers after the kargil war. What a Farce.
RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by mridul somani on Sep 23, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
in logo ko sala yahi bataya jata hai ki yeh kud jeete hain....inko inki comedy government sachai to batati hi nahi ki inki faud ki kesi halat patli hui jung me..hihi......bechare paki....
RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by Hans Solo on Sep 23, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
They had formal wars 2 times over. Maybe u were not born at dat time.
RE:RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by siddharth rao on Sep 23, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
And they lost badly then too ....
RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by Balaji R.K. on Sep 23, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
pakis never can declare a formal war against INDIA.They don't dare to do so.For that reason they are waging proxy war in which they are using the name of religion.pakis can never ever win INDIA.
RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by vivek k on Sep 23, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
yeehhh thats 100% correct ....
RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by ARYAN PUNJABI on Sep 23, 2007 05:02 PM Permalink
You are a nationalist.I salute you sir.But 77% of the population of nation is living on Rs 20/ per day.Remainig ones are already living as living in NUMBER ONE country and getting more richer.Please look at the ground reality. India is of course shining if you look at stastics,bollywood and big business and industrial houses but truth for the remaining ones is opposite of that. After 35 years from now 50% of Indians will be having mental problems because of this HOLLOW SHINING and uncontrolled disparity.REMEMBER MY WORDS>
RE:RE:MUSHARRAFF BEGGED....BUT PAKIS BELIF IS THAT THEY DEFEATED INDIA IN KARGIL....COMEDY !!!!!
by ARYAN PUNJABI on Sep 23, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
1947-48,1965,1971,1999 NOBODY HAS ACTUALLY WON,THESE WERE INDECISIVE WARS. 1962.. CHINA HAD RECAPTURED THOUSANDS OF KILOMETRES OF TERRITORY WHICH THEY COULD NOT DARE DURING BRITISH RULE.
MUCH PUBLICISED 1971.... Bangladesh was created in 1953 when Urdu was imposed as nationall language instead of Bengali.Yes... here foresightedness and decision making of late Mrs Gandhi was appreciable and deserves golden letters in history of India.SHE and SHE alone as PM or lady or individual or human being or Indian national who has done it.The moment she sighted the opportunity,she did not waste time to avail it despite threat to her life by CIA and direct insult by Richard Nixon.It was not a military victory but a strong political decision at right time.Pak army(punjabis and Pathans)had not resisted.It is only baluch who gave a fight to invading Indian troops.Punjabis and Pathans were just waiting for the right time to surrender and go home alive and safe from land of and for Bengalis.Pak army and PAF were on fully defensive and offensive posture on western front. WARS ARE NOT CRICKET OR HOCKEY MATCHES FOR BOASTING,BOOSTING,HOOTING and COMMENTING.Both the countries/people have to understand it.Countries selling weapons are getting rich and poor,hungry and innocent people of India and Pak are looking at their Nukes,F-16s,MIGS,SUKHOIS and MISSILES. HOW SHAMEFULL.. IT IS A SHAMEFULL PITY. IT IS THE TIME FOR INTELLECTUALS ON BOTH SIDES TO COME IN NOT POWER HUNGRY ONES
