What happened in A.M.U is nothing new. It has happened in the past also. In fact, its not only A.M.U but university campuses throughtout the country is being ruled by rowdy students unions. Hardcore criminal, in the mask of the students, has taken over the university campuses in the country. All these students unions and so called students are affiliated to or supported by some political parties or other. The actual students have no say in these matters. They are only a mild spectators. Can I ask the students a question: Was the V.C. behind the murder of Mazhar Nayeem? If not, then why the students have burnt his house. The entire system needs a introspection. The students, the professors, the V.C., all of them must unite and unitedly they must fight against this kind of act and disallow any political or religious party inside the campus.
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by chirkut on Sep 19, 2007 09:32 AM Permalink
Well, you will have to understand the difference -
1) AMU(1875) was established before BHU(1916), since one Muslim univ had been established, so there was no problem in establishing a hindu univ. 2) There is no reservation for Hindus in Hindu university, admission is based on merit(entrance test), in Muslim univ, there are reservations for muslims.
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by on Sep 19, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
d point is u r moving away from d point - ever heard of the Imrana case? it was not a woman raping a woman [sic]; it was a Much-Married Muslim woman - a mother of 5- was raped by her Father-in-law [obviously a Male]. it's nice that u ra good girl, but prayers to d almighty that u can become a Sensible, analytical, intelligent girl also. will help sustain d debate.
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by chirkut on Sep 19, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
I am an alumnus of BHU and my ancestral home is just besides BHU. You asked - if there can be hindu univ, why can't there be muslim. My point here is - the situation is other way round, First muslim univ came and then Hindu univ. Why there was a need to establish a Hindu univ, why they didn't name it as "Indian" univ? Since muslim univ was already there, so establishin hindu univ was totally justified. Though, I am not saying that since AMU is a muslim univ, these things are happening, it may happen anywhere. Some 15 yrs ago, similar incidents used to happen in BHU too, but one VC (Mr Hari Gautam, later became chairman of UGC) permanently dissolved student's union, and no elections have been held since the. This irradiated student's politics and hence removed these kind of incidents too.
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by chirkut on Sep 19, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
By the way, in which deptt he has joined, as a lecturer, reader or professor. Have a nice trip to Varanasi and BHU.
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by chirkut on Sep 19, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
Don't worry, No one will know his name (except me :-)) My bro-in-law did his B.Sc, M.Sc, PhD and became JRF, SRF and csir-Pool officer in/from geology deptt. Now he teaches abroad. I know almost every old teacher. I left BHU in 2000, so don't woory, I am not going to spread this news :-) But why your language seems to be against hindus? There are bad people in bothe hindus and muslims, but it's a fact that across the world, wherever, voilence is there, in 90% of the cases, muslims are involved.
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by rangaswamy soundararajan on Sep 19, 2007 11:06 AM Permalink
Hello good girl - dont escape by saying that you respect all religions etc. This gentleman says there used to be students problem in the BHU as well in earlier years and and wieth the banning of the studenet unions, those things do not happen now. Will you support banning of similar unions in AMU ?
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by Beejoo Brijwasi on Sep 19, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
You are wrong that no religion teaches bad things. There is one so-called religion names Islam which teaches killings and raping. You don't know about Islam, this is why you are saying so.
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by chirkut on Sep 19, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
hamm...Your brother is very learned person... My BIL left BHU in 1999, so he might not be knowing your brother. He did his PhD under Dr R.K.Lal, your brother might know him, though he too is retired now. My BIL's name is Dr Dwivedi(not giving full name intentionally). I know other profs in Geology like - Prof Anand Mohan, Prof Garola, Prof chatterjee. Nice to get in touch with you over rediff. N'jot your banaras trip and you can go to nearby place like sarnath too.
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by chirkut on Sep 19, 2007 09:45 AM Permalink
I am an alumnus of BHU and my ancestral home is just besides BHU. You asked - if there can be hindu univ, why can't there be muslim. My point here is - the situation is other way round, First muslim univ came and then Hindu univ. Why there was a need to establish a Muslim univ, why they didn't name it as "Indian" univ? Since muslim univ was already there, so establishing hindu univ was totally justified. Though, I am not saying that since AMU is a muslim univ, these things are happening, it may happen anywhere. Some 15 yrs ago, similar incidents used to happen in BHU too, but one VC (Mr Hari Gautam, later became chairman of UGC) permanently dissolved student's union, and no elections have been held since then. This eradicated student's politics and hence removed these kind of incidents too.
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by Meraj Hasin Khan on Sep 19, 2007 09:17 AM Permalink
my regards to u...hope more ppls like u come forward in both, Hindus and the muslims community ..thats the only way this country can come to pease and cud go forward in becoming a developed nation...and obiviously a superpower...which we all dream of....Amen..... my email is jaritum@rediffmail.com I wud like to hear from u if u please, with lots of regards to u....
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by manu on Sep 19, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
U r very innocent or like to be projected that way.Only hindus rape women, who told you this. I don't consider you hindu brahmin.Lacs of Kashmiri pandits were thrown from kashmir valley, who was involved in this ur father. Just keep ur mouth shut and get lost.
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by on Sep 19, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Dear Good girl, Most of the guyes write message in this forum are sick in their heart. Don't try to teach them. All they can do is spread hatred and spit venom. They don't understand this soft language. They are all terrorists in their heart. Only difference is they didn't get any chance to plant a bomb. But, they call others as terrorists.
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by Beejoo Brijwasi on Sep 19, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
No sir. We are not terrorists by heart. We are demiocratic minded. But criticising terrorism and terrorists is not terrorism. First correct your definition.
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by Aravind KR on Sep 19, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
Hi good girl...... i know u r a sick muslim masqurading as a hindu brahmin girl... that also from south india..... how do u know that only hinuds are raoing u stupid... just se around... remember what happened in australia .... in fact there are articles on rape n islam.... read that .. they are known for raping
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by rashmi sahu on Sep 19, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Dont fight on name of god please my muslim and hindu friends, erase your differences and search for similarities.we are child of one god. the God talked in vedas as fornless omnicient.Same God in Islam is called as Allah.Interesting to point you out that Allah itself is a sanskrit word which means in sanskrit Goddess dURGA.Further Imama is a sanskrit word which means to see, in islam it means priest of a masjid.Further read this article in the light of latest archaeological findings in middle east the vedic past of Iran, at www.archaeologyonline.net.Further the entire verse of kena upanishad is contained in Quran i will quote examples: One Koranic verse is an exact translation of a stanza in the Yajurveda. This was pointed out by the great research scholar Pandit Satavlekar of Pardi in one of his articles. [Note: Another scholar points out that the following teaching from the Koran is exactly similar to the teaching of the Kena Upanishad (1.7). The Koran: "Sight perceives Him not. But He perceives men's sights; for He is the knower of secrets , the Aware." Kena Upanishad: "That which cannot be seen by the eye but through which the eye itself sees, know That to be Brahman (God) and not what people worship here (in the manifested world)." A simplified meaning of both the above verses reads: God is one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.]
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by rashmi sahu on Sep 19, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Dear friends above similarities i have quoted to describe one ness of God .I request you not to single out or abuse any body on name of God or religion. Instead of abusing we should read and enrich ourselves.
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by Beejoo Brijwasi on Sep 19, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
Similarities may be in philisophy or simply in words. But what about deeds? Do you think Hindus also do same as Muslims are doing these days in whole world? First understand that Islam is not a religiona at the least. It is a cult of devils or Satan. This is why it produces more terrorists than humans.
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by rashmi sahu on Sep 19, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
The identity of Unani and Ayurvedic systems shows that Unani is just the Arabic term for the Ayurvedic system of healing taught to them and administered in Arabia when Arabia formed part of the Indian empire. friends do not fight for God
may we all stop fighting among ourselves and work for betterment of society and weaker section
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by kalyan ram on Sep 19, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
you are right topno.....you never know in which hole there is snake....likewise you never know which muslism is an terrorists....
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by Beejoo Brijwasi on Sep 19, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
Who told you we hate other religions. We do not. Actually we hate a cult of Satan called Islam.
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by Topno on Sep 19, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
The recent incidents of terrorism in Bangalore/Hyderabad have some messages to the mass. * There is no concept of Indian or Pakistani muslims. They dont have any nationality. Muslims can join hand irrespective of their origin of nationality. * As described by neighbors, friends and classmates, these terrorists were very soft spoken and well behaved people. It proves that Islamic terrorists have sweetnes in their voice, but poison inside their stomach. People who claim that there are many good muslims in our society must remember this. * Educated and upper class muslims are most dangerous. In some states the so called secular parties demand reservation for muslims in education and employement. This will facilitate breeding of terrorism inside India. * Countries like UK sympathies the terrorists like Afzal Guru(who conspired the parliament attack) and now themselves are victim of this Islamic terrorism. So never sympathies these Islamic people or else one day your own dear one will be among the victims.
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by chirkut on Sep 19, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
very true, as pointed out earlier, BHU does not give any reservations based on religion, while AMU does.
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by Meraj Hasin Khan on Sep 19, 2007 09:19 AM Permalink
my regards to u...hope more ppls like u come forward in both, Hindus and the muslims community ..thats the only way this country can come to pease and cud go forward in becoming a developed nation...and obiviously a superpower...which we all dream of....Amen..... my email is jaritum@rediffmail.com I wud like to hear from u if u please, with lots of regards to u....
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by Meraj Hasin Khan on Sep 19, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
You r welcome girl...it its always good to c that there r a lot of ppls who think that India Hindus and muslims have the same right on India...u know something ...Indian muslims r really proud to be an Indian ..and we really feel hurt when some section of the society call us traiters ..and then we have to prove our patriotism..by some means..... I really hurts...
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by Beejoo Brijwasi on Sep 19, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
You are wrong that Hindus and Muslims have same rights in India. Actuallu muslims have more rights than Hindus. For example, Muslims can run their minority institutions. but hindus can not. What do you say now?
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by rashmi sahu on Sep 19, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
Every human being in every country has equal right on every place irrespective of cast creed religion.Its all the dream of God.We can not give life to any body so we do not have the right to kill anybody.Further forget everything the basic religion of man is to respect humanity and living being.All the human beings have to respect each other.A new born child when takes birth doesnot know about religion,love,hatred etc.He learns all this thing on this earth during his stay.By his deeds make this place hell or heaven.Each one of us divvide what contribution we should give to this wonderful planet
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by Beejoo Brijwasi on Sep 19, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
Your views are only dearmatic. In muslim countries, for example Saudi Arabia and all others, non-muslim do not have right to worship their god of faith. They can not keep their religious books even in their houses. How do you say all have equal rights?
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by Ejaz Ahmad on Oct 30, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
It is better that we should identify as indian first rather than a hindu or muslim. Once we get that feeing of being an Indian i am sure we will never ever discuss in future about being a hindu or muslim. We must tolerate each other and help each other to understand each other. This will be the only way to become a superpower.It has been our history to live together in peace. It has been propagated adn inculcated in our minds by the western power so that we remain underdeveloped and never aspire to become super power.We Indians have all the capabilities to become a superpower in all sphere of life. So please salute our motherland and try to do something for it rather than fighting and criticising on being hindu or muslim.
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by Arif Ansari on Sep 19, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
Good Girl ....you are really good......I have gone all the conversation between you and other guys...but you have really kept your cool and reply back thoroughly and perfectly.....Best Regards......see there in no one who have guds to chat in a sophisticated manner....keep it up.
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by Topno on Sep 19, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
why muslims find it difficult to live with other religions (in Kashmir, Chechnia, Palestine, South East Asian countries) and harash the minorities (in Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh). Definitely they feel insecure with other religion and know that their own muslims will convert to other religion.
If Islam is so good, why muslims kill each other in Iraq, Afghanistan and kill other people in Kashmir, Israel, US through terrorism.
These incidents clearly speak that Islam has created a fear among muslims against other religions and multi-culture.
