RE:why shud we hv elections in colleges and univ's ?? this is root of the problem
by Abhijit Bhowmick on Sep 17, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
I agree, why the hell do we need political engagements in colleges. Look at DU or JNU, campus is abuzz with politics. They prefer doing campaign for elections rather than attending classes.
All I want to ask my muslim brothers is one things. What comes first - Your Religion or Your Country. Answer this first, because in Hyderabad the Majlis, which has 5 MLAs and one MP in the Lok Sabha has said that his religion comes first and then the country. And this is the part which Congress has a tie-up with and considers as a Secular Party. My Foot.
RE:One simple question
by MUHAMMED AKHTAR on Sep 17, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
How this is related to Campus violence Mr Suresh unless you suffer from Religiophobia and need immediate hospitalisation.
RE:One simple question
by shibashis sengupta on Sep 17, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
Message for both Mohd Khan & Muhammed Akhtar - I guess you both need not be so pertubed.For Muslims , it always has been religion over country.Accept it.Lets not get into the ethical and relative debate about Jews , Hindus & Christains.Its not the point.Look at all the strive and bloodshed even relative to as you would wish to compare with the Hindus, your guys have topped the chart.I surely dont support what Narendra Modi has done in Gujarat.But i guess , for your kind it always has been religion over country.I guess that always has been and that always will be.60 years of history post independence has been a testimonial to this fact.I going by the next 60 more years , it surely would be the same.So relax and take a chill pill.Be what you are , for that whats you were :)
RE:One simple question
by Vipin Chandran on Sep 17, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
I suppose this debate completely 'cliche'd ! Fundamentalists and religious fanatics whether Islamic, Christian or Hindu, around the world have only one agenda - keep the world divided. How else do they further their vested interests ! Please do not get carried away by what the INC or the BJP are saying about the Sethu project. There are heavy under currents of regional politics ( the DMK is the culprit ) in the whole affair ! As for the violence in AMU, when have this institution been peaceful and presented a conducive atmosphere to serious students ! Allah jane !
RE:One simple question
by Chanakya on Sep 17, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
ha ha Shibashish writes and shibashis applauds... arey, name tho change karo reply karthe waqth
RE:One simple question
by muslim on Sep 17, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
religion first ,first allah uske baad sab,yeh question to un hinuoon aur sikho se puchna chahiye jo USA aur england ki nationality lane ke liye bahan (sister) ko bibi (wife ) banae ko tayyar hai
RE:One simple question
by mohammed uddin on Sep 17, 2007 01:54 PM Permalink
I see many indian go to other country for various purpose. Given an option most of we IT professional will go to western countries.
Then how can be loyal to country who say country first. Will you leave your religion like this ?
RE:One simple question
by sandeepnair on Sep 17, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
lots of indians go abroad and settle there....that doesnt mean that they become traitors in the name of religion.u were born and brought up here. the indian govt subsidised ur edu. if u go abroad and start hating india...u r worse than animals...bcoz even they have a sense of morality and some loyalty in them.country should come first , always!! besides that...everyone abroad will look at u as an indian and not one of them...not even ur so called muslim brothers from saudi and other gulf countries....do u knw how they treat indian muslims???
RE:One simple question
by abdul baqi on Sep 17, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
i studied in some book that hindus lose there caste or religion if they travel outside the country so do they wanna sacrifice country or religion they have no choice.thats why they say back and dance like this.
RE:One simple question
by HumBoley on Sep 17, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
Yaar without the religion they cant servive in the MASS, and they will keep on fooling the people on the name of religion to have the high stake in the government..... its the people should decide before giving the vote to these politicians....... One more thing its very easy to rule il-literate pepople then Litrate one.... These politicians target Villages... dats why these guys never give long speech in the big towns.. they always go to the village !! as they know their Level.
RE:One simple question
by Mohd Khan on Sep 17, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
Dear Suresh, What comes first for you, Your father or your mother? Stop asking such idiotic and much repeated grunts which has bombarded muslims continously for the last 50-60 years. This is not a race, first or second! Some things are mutually exclusive, they have their own reverence and respect, and none being less than the other, like your father and mother, like your country and your religion, Get it in your head now! and give us a break!
RE:RE:One simple question
by pankaj kumar on Sep 17, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
for hindus nation first and religion last. For others religion is first and last.
RE:RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
Well Mohd Khan - please answer this question else others will answer it for you. And when they answer it for you - don't cry. If nation is not #1 for you - then you are a traitor - plain and simple. Got it ..
RE:One simple question
by mohammed uddin on Sep 17, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
I see many indian go to other country for various purpose. Given an option most of we IT professional will go to western countries.
Then how can be loyal to country who say country first. Will you leave your religion like this ?
RE:RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 02:02 PM Permalink
Of course - if it comes to national security -Hindus and Sikhs will give up every tenet of their religion. I have religious Sikh friends in Army who cut their hair , got circumcised, ate beef and lived with Jehadis in Kashmir resulting in huge catches. This is how Kashmir is still with us and terrorism is down. And mind it - these guys voluntarily chose to do what they had to do. This is just an example. I also know of lot of muslims who are as dedicated to the nation. This question was to you and not to muslims in general. You have failed the test.
RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 06:48 PM Permalink
Yes - Hindus who take up nationality of other nations are no longer Indians. We expect them and want them to be loyal to countries they are citizens of in because that is their Dharma. We will not feel sad that in their line of duty they have to act against India because Gita tells us to do our duty even if you have to act against your brothers. Do you have your answer now ?
You are talking all this bull crap of internationalism because you know you personally have no loyalty to India.
RE:RE:RE:One simple question
by Human Indian on Sep 17, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
So Hindus who took nationality of other countries should be called Traitors? The Whole thing is that God / Bhgwan / Allha / has created Universe / Brhmma/ Alam and the boundries are created by selfish humans for their own benefits..look at the no of states we have now and how many we had in 1950..all want to become a C.M. and look this country..so help / love fellow humans the way u do it for u r brothers and sisters..And God will help u..
RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Hey Suresh ... you must ask this to BJP and RSS first .... after Ram Sethu incident , you must not be asking such silly questions.
RE:One simple question
by a a on Sep 17, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
Hm. If you were to ask them "Nation" or "Ram Sethu" - I guess they would go for "Nation". And by the way "Ram Sethu Incident" - what do you mean by Incident? Aren't these organizations taking up the Hindu cause? Would you take up the Hindu cause?
RE:RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:29 PM Permalink
No - I will take up only cause of Indians - poor , sick and downtrodden. In this country - no other issue is of any interest to me. Anything else is waste of my life and this nation's priority.
RE:One simple question
by k kumar on Sep 17, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Here comes Pope John Pauls Indian version!! Growup man... Donate your huose and salary... Do you know the insane level of taxation and the taxpayers thats going down the drain due to such an attitude.. Dude you are crazy..
RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:53 PM Permalink
I don't wish to answer issues related to what muslims would in a hypothetical situation...because I don't want to pay the price every muslim pays in their daily lives for the action of fanatics across the world. Hope that answers.
As far as media is concerned - I trust the ENglish language channels including CNNIBN and NDTV. Thats my personal choice and no amount of "facts" showing ownership by Martians , Pymies , Vatican and leperchauns is going to chang that.
RE:RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:40 PM Permalink
Point well taken. BJP MPs must present this data in all newspapers ; raise this in question hour and ensure that those responsible give justification. And if they don't - make a hungama around it. They won't because they started the project.
Making a tamasha on the streets only helps lumpens of Bajrang Dal highjack the issue.
RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
well - best way is to donate to various charities ( secular , non religious ones ) and I do that. I have a business to run and money to make which enables me to do that.
RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
I suppose our leadership - Vajpayee , Jawant and later Manmohan and chidu would have done that - they know their job and they are very good at it and they are paid to do it. That is not the point ......
RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
I am asking you - country or religion - don't say both when it comes to crunch....I am very clear - for me country is #1 priority to #100 priority NO IFFs and NO BUTs
RE:One simple question
by pradeep kumar on Sep 17, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
Have u seen one? An honest answer has to be NO, because U didn't get even the name of the project correct.
RE:RE:One simple question
by Nation on Sep 17, 2007 02:06 PM Permalink
Abhinav , don't argue with so called secularist, that idiot might be a converted covert , don't waste u r time
RE:One simple question
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 17, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
Jagadish - Religion is the least important thing on my life. Hope you learn some manners and stop typing in all caps and answer a question with a question.
while I am very sad about what has happened to the student (for unknown reasons, as yet), I am unable to understand the aftermath of students destryoing their own university and setting the Vice Chancellor's residence to fire... The article is not very clear, whether the killing of the stundent has got to do anything with the Chancellor or the staff of the university. These type of actions are not expected from educated students from a well known university like AMU.. any clarification on this from any of the people associated with AMU in this forum?
RE:my sympathies
by tirupati reddy on Sep 17, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
Yes I truly agree with you. Why media is posting such uncomplete article.. Two things are missing in this article.. How the student was murdered.. i mean whats the reason..? and the second thing is why the other students are damaging their own University??? I think before posting a article media should take care that they are giving complete information about that incident... poor Rediff...
RE:my sympathies
by Mohd Khan on Sep 17, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
The kind of reaction you have seen from AMU students is the same if not less than the reaction from the students from any other university, be it BHU, JNU etc, only thing is when it happens in AMU, the media highlights only the students reaction, glorifies it, as if they are terrorists. If a student of any other univ. was killed on campus, the students there also would have done the same, I have been in BHU, as well as AMU, the students are the same, the mindset is the same, ready to go any time.
Guys before pointing on others always remmber that three of your fingures always point to your self, Its very easy to comment on hot issue, well before that you all guys need to think what are the best allternative, so that disgrace and hatered is not thorugh in the atmosphere, If any Indian muslim still love paskistan, then also I will support him, just because he is Indian First then Muslim, and moreever if fight breaks out between Pak and India then NO BOMB is going to distinguis weather he is Muslim or not, since the Bomb will be targeted for INDIANS... so guys be happy and be proud to be indian !!
RE:Step is not good !!
by rajan alakandy on Sep 17, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
The parents should educate their kids before sending them to colleges.The stupid students are not at all thinking that they are targetting our own properties. The government should take stern action against the students and their parents. We should provide military training to all of our students. They should teach the value of our sorroundings.
RE:Step is not good !!
by ashok kumar on Sep 17, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
Yah u r right now millitry dont have any work rather giving trining to school and college guyes.....How funny........
Aligarh Muslim university is a magnanimous institution which is historically resplendent...forming a perception based upon an incident for the entire institution is wrong...acts of few miscreants should not be utilized to demean an insitution as big as AMU
First provide proper education to politicians, they need it. A farmer knows how to grow crop, its the white collars of India who like Jamindars are not giving due cost for the grains they produce. The sit in AC offices and think they are contributing to economy- a economy defined by west (whites) and everybody in world is following them, at least in developed countries people pay higher price for cereals, pulses, fruits and vegetables in developing countries though they have fat salary, they are not prepared to pay a 50 paisa more for a Kg of vegetable to road side vendor, who are most often farmers whose land size have decreased. One must reject such a nation which has bais towards office goers, ant the food growers are committing suicide. India has failed to govern its people, its rather ruling and ruling is getting worser day by day, India is not bothered about masses. See the office goes they have purchased unprcedented properties in cities to make the property price escalate, the brokers have snatched land from poor farmers in the surrouning areas for peanuts...so on
RE:politician needs to be educated about their roles
by PAL on Sep 17, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
Educating politicians is a good idea. start with sonia and rahul.
RE:RE:politician needs to be educated about their roles
by rajan alakandy on Sep 17, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
I do not think you are educated.Learn something about moral values.
RE:RE:politician needs to be educated about their roles
by HumBoley on Sep 17, 2007 01:13 PM Permalink
Amar Singh, Karunanidhi (Andha Takla) Shall have the class from lower prep, since the dont have Idiea what they are talking and in front of whom, and when these guys are criticiesd by media then they will start shouting on other topics so that media is diverted......
Hi everyone, i m Faridul Qadar a student of final year B.Tech. First of all let me make it very clear to you all that the victim of this case was not an engineering student ( as reported by this column ) but a 2nd year aspiring science graduate ( B. Sc II ). This case is certainly very shameful and disgusting but I'd humbly appeal to all u people out their that at this delicate moment AMU needs ur support and not negative criticism. We are an integral part of the rich academic culture of this country and many a time proven our mettle. Just because of a handful of unscrupulouus elements ( which are bound to be present if u have a strength of 27000 students ) u guys can't label us with whatever names u want to. Each n every student over here has infused within him truck loads of nationalism and patriotic sentiments and therefore I'd appeal to every citizen that when a house of a brother is put on fire the siblings are expected to come for help and give them support and will power to face this torrid time. Expecting ur co-operation. Thank You.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by ajit pandey on Sep 17, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
You are right Faridul Bhai..its just that people want to sensationalize things. We all know that AMU is a our one of the greatest institutes.We stand by you guys.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by Chanakya on Sep 17, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Qadar... I respect your sentiments and am with you all in putting back the prestegious AMU back to trackk... wish the students/administration all the best in achieving its goals... let us stand united against any unscrupulous elements within or outside the AMU.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by Lallu Prasad Yadav on Sep 17, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
more than anything else, here is a post that write something on balanced lines.
this is common everywhere. whenever there is a killing by murder or accident, people go on rampage.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by Jalil Qadar on Sep 17, 2007 01:57 PM Permalink
Gr8 post Farid.... its ppl like u who have the onus of keeping the head of the institution like AMU high. I think its the best post in a clutter of meaningless discussions.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by Seeker Of Truth on Sep 17, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
Thank you for putting in your perspective. It is so important for voices of sanity to be heard in times of confusion. Keep up the good work and bring glory to mother India wherever you are.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by chirkut on Sep 17, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
Does AMU gives B.Tech degree? I think they give B.Sc(Engg), how come you are a B.Tech student in AMU?
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by faridul qadar on Sep 17, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
no my friend AMU does gives B.Tech degree in 7 disciplines ( electronics, computer, mechanical, electrical, civil , chemical & Petro Chemical ), B.Sc ( Engg ) degree was given long back but now it is the B.Tech degree.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by chirkut on Sep 17, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
Good to know this, It seems I'm too old and it's been too many years since I did my bachelors :-), so I don't have updated news .
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by sujanape ape on Sep 17, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
Mr. Faridul Qadar, I do agree to your point that some unscrupulous elements are bound to be in 27000 strength. My sympathy to the parents of the student. But I fail to understand, how is the death of the student related to destroying the teachers room and setting fire to V.C's residence. Seeing such acts of senseless rampage... what do you expect others to think of students from the prestigious university. Off late reading such news has become a pain for fellow country men. We are not questioning your nationalism & patriotic sentiments... we are none to do that... until u prove yourself otherwise... destroying property does not do any good SIR!..Hope you would realise that... if ur angry... let that anger be in a constructive way... not in a destructive way... Hope you would understand it.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by Abhijit Bhowmick on Sep 17, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
Mr Sujanape, that is why everybody is saying that this rampage is not the work of majority of the students, it is few students who just need to do sumthingt to sensationalise the entire incident. They are termed as unscrupulous elements.
RE:RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by faridul qadar on Sep 17, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
sure my friend...we don't endorse the act of that uncertified mob that had set ablaze the university property but that was an impulsive action, an action that lacked sense n had anger
RE:RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by faridul qadar on Sep 17, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
i m not praising nyone brother...u can find it a light moment but if u'd have been in our shoes n if ur crendentials would have been brought under scanner then u'd have have actually realized this situation.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by MirAhmed Shah on Sep 17, 2007 01:29 PM Permalink
Faridul, Asalamalaekum!I read your message.Yes, definitely our support is with you and AMU.My only advice to the students of this premier institution is that avoid politics and stick to your studies. My father, Agha Mohiuddin Shah, did his MA, LLB from AMU ages ago and he can never stop talking about his Alma Mater.But to hear that students went on a rampage and destroyed public property as well as set fire to the VC's house is really painful. What has been achieved? Zero.I know that the demise of this student must be a big blow to his friends and relatives but taking law into your own hands is no answer. Each and every student of the Univ must do his little bit to ensure that the name of AMU is not besmirched by such incidents. Wishing you and AMU all the very best. Khuda Hafiz. Mir Ahmed Shah.
RE:dont get carried away plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by Rahul kumar on Sep 17, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
This all is sure to happen. I agree out of 27000 there will be many, who are just waiting to create panic. It is the strong administration that need to be put in place, but sad leaders are busy taking use of such student leaders. Up is ruled by a leader that has been elected by masses out of them 80% are not educated enough, but they went and voted..and we so called educted were busy sitting in AC Room, writing comments.Hairjan's wanted thier presence in politics, they voted..if we want our word we shall go do the same
RE:environment
by ajit pandey on Sep 17, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
hey, What happens in BHU ,bomb making is cottage industry there .."Birla Hostel" do you know this hostel inmates and their activities ..they are all Hindus..FYI
RE:environment
by chirkut on Sep 17, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
It seems you visited BHU some 15 yrs ago, Nothing of this sort happened in past 10 yrs or so. FYI - Birla hostel was divided in three parts and they no longer have time to waste in these activities. Moreover, when you talk about IIT status, IT-BHU has nothing to do with all this Birla and Rajaram hostels. Based on Academic environment, Quality of teachers, Entrance criteria, Research scholars, Research papers and projects, BHU is far better than most of the universities in India (let alone AMU), so please refrain from comparing BHU with every tom, dick and harry...
RE:environment
by chirkut on Sep 17, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
Further, There has not been elections of SU in BHU for more than one decade and since then peace is prevailing there. Universities should not be made breeding ground for politicians and goondaas, it should create researchers, managers, engineers, doctors, administrators instead.
RE:environment
by Abhijit Bhowmick on Sep 17, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
Ashish, have you ever studied in an engineering college. One incident does not mean that the entire college has to be defamed. In my college we used to have atleast one major issue of rampage every 2 years. AMU is a big university and hence came to limelight, otherwise u will see there r many colleges which do not come to limelight but they have same problems.
RE:environment
by chirkut on Sep 17, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
I do agree with you Abhijit, It may happen to any place where thousands of students are staying within a campus belonging to different streams.
