RE:Reality of BJP
by on Sep 15, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
Such things like who gets how many seats in next election would be decided by the people of India. Not by any individual on a discussion Forum.
The current issue is not with Congress or BJP. But related to the fact that should Ram Sethu be destroyed.
If you want to know the ecological impacts, read the last para o the below article. http://sethusamudram.gov.in/TedArticle.asp
The whole nation has gone into a frenzy and even educated and responsible politicians have abandoned reasoning and are getting swayed away or forcing to sway away.
If Ambika Soni is guilty, it is for irrationally suspending those two ASI officials who did their job as per book. Strange as it may if a Cabinet Minister or some other Minister makes any irresponsible remark he/she was not suspended from the ministry but are defended. If a petty official goes by book or makes a small mistake he/she was unceremoniously suspended. When Lalloo forced an IAF Helicopter on a National Highway he was not jailed or prosecuted but if a railway station master makes a mistake that results in an accident he/she gets booked for culpable homicide.
ASI Officials just went by book-no need to read too much into that affidavit and neither was it incorrect. Certain reports have to be made based on logic and evidence rather than emotions. ASI Officials have to file an affidavit and they did it in a professional way.
But an interesting thing is ASI so far did not ocnduct any survey on Ramsethu/Adams Bridge. Then why ASI was asked to file an affidavit and based on what findings which were not conducted anytime?
RE:NO NEED TO RESIGN INSTEAD REINSTATE THOSE TWO ASI OFFICIALS
by Satyam Mishra on Sep 15, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
Well.......Mr. Kabeer, the ASI is wrong in their claim. As per you what is history???? that a person existed should be documented? then is it not documented in the Ramayan? it is one of the oldest written scriptures/epics known to mankind.......so the ASI has the right now to certify whether ram existed?
This is not a party issue........this is a culpable blasphemy against beliefs of a majority section of indian population.
I live in the middle east where Danish products are banned since some danish news paper printed cartoon on Prophet.........& there is no joker here with the balls to oppose it........not for any other reason but for the fact that it hurts "Beliefs".
For that matter where is the proof that Prophet or Jesus or Buddha ever walked on earth? it is only in epics like Koran & Bible........so do we need to go to ASI goons to get that verified? for all you know they themselves will be found praying in a RAM temple today for saving their jobs.........!!!!!!
For your kind info.....our constitution is based on life of Ram. Ramayan is a scripture which lays down ideal path for a man to follow.
WAKE UP. today it is hindu's tomorrow this will be on muslims......these politicians are not loyal to anyone.
RE:RE:NO NEED TO RESIGN INSTEAD REINSTATE THOSE TWO ASI OFFICIALS
by Kabeer on Sep 15, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Mishra, Professional bodies have to go by empirical factors in their reports. If a doctor is asked to write a report about a how babies come into existence, he/she has to write that babies come into the world because of conjugation between males and females. He/she can not write babies come into the world because of God-Ram or Allah or whoever. Do we charge that doctor for blasphemy for stating that medical science does not recognise existence of God? ASI is such a professional body; so what they wrote was right. But the main point is that ASI so far has not conducted any study on Ramsethu/Adams bridge. They have not confirmed whether it is natural or man made. Then how did they file that affidavit?
Regarding the Danish cartoon the whole world has lost their sanity in banning Danish products. The cartoon was not the handiwork of the Danish GOvt or its publications. It was published by an irresponsible newspaper whose circulation doesnot exceed 2.5 lac. The Danish society or their Govt has nothing to do with it. Forget about the Middle East where there is no democracy, it was this Indian GOvt that pride itself on being the largest democracy on the face of the earth did not have the courage to go ahead with the Danish Prime Minister's visit to India. It is shameful that they asked the Danish PM not to come based on an irresponsible private newspaper's (2.5 lac circulation) cartoon!
RE:NO NEED TO RESIGN INSTEAD REINSTATE THOSE TWO ASI OFFICIALS
by Iloveindia on Sep 15, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
You stupid if dont know any thing then just keep quit, Mohammed born 1400 year n we know his date of birth date year month even on which he as born,where he was born ,back n we have enough proof ab mohaammed existence .but the point is here with u people u living in fiction world,cos every one knows that valmiki wrote ramayan(means its a story) n he was daku .
RE:NO NEED TO RESIGN INSTEAD REINSTATE THOSE TWO ASI OFFICIALS
by on Sep 15, 2007 05:44 PM Permalink
Such things like who gets how many seats in next election would be decided by the people of India. Not by any individual on a discussion Forum.
The current issue is not with Congress or BJP. But related to the fact that should Ram Sethu be destroyed.
If you want to know the ecological impacts, read the last para o the below article. http://sethusamudram.gov.in/TedArticle.asp
RE:RE:NO NEED TO RESIGN INSTEAD REINSTATE THOSE TWO ASI OFFICIALS
by Kabeer on Sep 15, 2007 05:59 PM Permalink
By all means take a decision either to dig a canal or not, based on ecological and economic factors. Don't dig if it causes ecological damage. But the reason should not be based on mythology. I am sure if post partition if India is full of only Hindus, yes only Hindus-no muslims, no christians etc.- I suspect no one would have objected to dig a canal there based on mythological reasons. It happens in all religions, myths are built around non-manmade structures. But reasoning should prevail at one stage.
There is no real issue with the Babri Masjid structure. For Muslims the structure was important for Hindus that land is important; they are not fighting against each other on the same issue-they are fighting for two different pieces. That is why when Atal Behari Vajpayee offered to use latest technology and move the Babri Masjid to some other acceptable and even larger location in Ayodhya/Faizabad the whole carnage that followed would have been prevented. That issue has an indirect bearing even on this Ramsethu hypersensitivity.
RE:NO NEED TO RESIGN INSTEAD REINSTATE THOSE TWO ASI OFFICIALS
by on Sep 15, 2007 06:05 PM Permalink
Agree fully with you that destruction of the Babri Masjid was a Barbaric act by a small section fo a HUGE community. Does that mean other areas sensitives to other religions should be also destroyed.
RE:RE:NO NEED TO RESIGN INSTEAD REINSTATE THOSE TWO ASI OFFICIALS
by Kabeer on Sep 15, 2007 06:20 PM Permalink
If we go by this logic we should not have built even a single smallest dam in the country. When we built those megadams, how many temples, mosques, churches got submerged or washedaway? These are structures that were supposed to be abodes of Gods. We didn't care then and rightly so. Some political party is playing the psyche of people and we are allowing this nonsense go on.
Commonsense tells us the myths are built around the structures than the otherway round. It happens in all religions. But we should put a fullstop when it matters seriously!
RE:RE:Ram is everywhere, even in Ramzan
by Iloveindia on Sep 15, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
Who is Ram where is he ,First point is whether he was born some where in past first that has to prove then whether he will ramazan or not we will dciscuss later first gave me proof whether his existence was there or not
RE:Ram is everywhere, even in Ramzan
by amit jain on Sep 15, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
ram is mythological but 55 year old prophet mo's screw.. of 6 year old aisha is historically proven. this marks the beginning of child abuse in islam, and thats why 65 year old sheikhs come to hyderabad to pluck 6-8 year old muslim girls.
Let us exchange meaningful information thru this forum.Iam sure the next move by cong.will be to divide the hindus-the best way for them would be to bring back the issues qouta & suppression.They thrive on this.Let us resolve to remain united.We need to educate the poor.The govt. will mever open primary schools because then the masses will start thinking & they dont want that.In 60 years the govt. has failed purposely to uplift the poor.We need to help the poor & make them thinking people.LET US REMAIN UNITED & BRING DOWN THIS GOVT.
The Govt is over reacting as it fears that the Ram Setu issue will have a negative effect on the people of India......and may reduce the chances of another Congress led Govt...but the truth is that BJP is intensifying each and every issue realated to Lord Ram.........be it Ram Mandir....or Ram Setu.When the Bhartiya Janta Party lost the 1991 elections...it thought that by destroyin Babri Masjid......it will win over 80% hindus in the country and win.......and it won the 1996 elections...........but when The ram mandir issue was giving zero political mileage ............it strew away from the Ram Mandir issue.(ps..under its governance it never built the Bhavya Ram Mandir it promised....... History Repeats itself.............and again the same thing is happening.If Ram Setu destruction hurts hindu sentiments then do not touch it.........identify other possible routes for building the canal.......Suspendin officials is not going to help...
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by gullapalli murthy on Sep 15, 2007 05:42 PM Permalink
Its nothing related to fear of Ram-The issue is totally related with protection of environment ,Thorium reserves,Tsunami ,food for fishermen- The argument of questioning Rams existance came out in christian angle-Ambika soni is practicing christian ,its natural for her to say aginst rama-if we question How Jesus was born to a virgin ? Can soni answer to the question- What is the analysis capacity of our Historians-5000yrs?,10000yrs?---How can they scientifically confirm the structure as man made or not which is 17.5million years old? ASI officials should be dismissed for their non scientific methods to judge on Ramsetu-
RE:RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by arnab sinha on Sep 15, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
nopes they cannot.it is practically impossible for some peopleor ASI to confirm that....Ram was reality.but u c in a country like India..........truth doesn't matter......it only matters that u r religiously correct....
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by ANAND TEERTHA on Sep 15, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
Well indian history is being written by Communists, muslims and Congressmen even to this day.
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by Prasanna M on Sep 15, 2007 05:54 PM Permalink
if you not respecting Jesus no problem, but dont insult any one my friendgullaplli
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by ghayas sarwar on Sep 15, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
what will u do when u get ram mandir, again will do same mistake by worshipping ram which is nothing just imagination. jaago mohan pyare...
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by arnab sinha on Sep 15, 2007 05:45 PM Permalink
U c........Ram is not imagination.......Ram is in faith....Ram is in every body's heart......Ram is every where.......u take Ravan out of some one...Ram' there........i c the Babri Masjid as disaster.....in a secular country like India.............where there is no official religion....
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by Iloveindia on Sep 15, 2007 06:02 PM Permalink
Its true may be ram is their in ur heart but ur religion is heirachial,ur hindu cos ur father was hindu....,but the point is the ram really was there in the past,if yes then there should be some phyiscal evidence,
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by arnab sinha on Sep 15, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
Thats rite...........there has to b some physical evidence............but there is something which is called as Faith...........Hindus hav faith in Lord Ram......which cannot be detered by any mean....but there shud be no politics using faith,religion,Ram...etc
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by amit jain on Sep 15, 2007 08:06 PM Permalink
ram is mythological but 55 year old prophet mo's screw.. of 6 year old aisha is historically proven.
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by Satyam Mishra on Sep 15, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Mr. Sinha,
I assume that u r an educated person, use some logic, you have reffered to the Babri masjid disaster as done by BJP. Just revisit the episode & tell me who was the prime mininster of india at that time?...... PVNRao- congress. 6th Dec agitation was announced a year before the D-Day. Ayodhya was under Central Reserve Police jurisdiction........with 5000 policemen there when the whole episode occured. Do u think it is as easy without a silent agreement from the govt machinery there? Press was there.......there is no evidence of police trying to stop Kar Sevaks who tried to enter the complex.....!!!!!!
Congress polity very carefully planned the whole episode (by not being a party but quitly watchin the show).
Meanwhile, in the Sethusamudram case, BJP had not reacted to the issue till the time this affidavit was filed. The personel in ASI tried to show off to a congress govt (by being anti ram or they thought the BJP). The govt needs to be pusihed here.
It is like the govt in Vatican city making Davinci Code part of their national literature heritage.
Congress needs to come out of this religion politics......BJP is a 15 year old party.......india has seen religions partition 60 yrs ago.......!!!!! wake up......it is the congress behind all this.
RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by k kumar on Sep 15, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
I would like to add that on 04th of Dec, Muslims elite new that Babri Structure will be demolished... How do these guys knew? Taht s the question.. It was a planned operation by by whom.. ?? Ask any influential person of AMU and they would tell that the "demolition program: was known to Muslim organisations
RE:RE:The Govt is overreacting.........
by arnab sinha on Sep 15, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
Mr Mishra...i very well know who was the Prime Minister..... then.......But the fact remains that BJP takes politicals gains out of the religious sentiments...........it has no real issues.....May the PM shud hav stopped the Kar-Sewaks....but its history............but what is happening now.....it is not good..It was NDA govt which started the SEtu Samundarm Project...n now to gain political gains out of the hindus,..it is being critical on the project....come on dont be such a hypocrite like the BJP...
It seems that the whole episode is a handiwork of DMK to bring Karunanidhi's daughter and MP to become a union minister in place of Madam Ambika Soni. TR Baalu and Karunanidhi are very silent on this matter. Something fishy going on here...
whether sethusamudram has historical importance or not it is not to be touched. And dont even start to debate Lord Ram's existence. Enough of secularism shit we are Hindus we worship cow, stones, river whatever but that is nobody's business. We talk peace but will never take crap from others. I am proud to be a hindu and I have no doubt whatsoever that this nation survives everyday because we are form majority of this amazingly diverse country.
RE:this is a warning
by tarika narula on Sep 15, 2007 05:54 PM Permalink
no doubt d destruction f sethusamundaram will b a major blow not only 2 d hindus but the whole f india at large n dats not bcoz hindus form a majority but coz v r proud of r diverse culture n shud live in peace n harmony.v indians respect each oders faiths n beliefs.no 1 condemns or neither shud condemn hindus worshippin stones,rivers et al. but saying dat india thrives coz f hindus is ridiculous.all religions hv equal importance.
RE:this is a warning
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 15, 2007 05:33 PM Permalink
really Puneet. We had one Hindu Rashtra called Nepal and see what happened to them. Think of progress not take things backward. Congress seems to be the only sane and sensible party.
RE:this is a warning
by avinash sharma on Sep 15, 2007 05:36 PM Permalink
hi anurag, good to c u again. glad to c u are spreading your pseudo secular venom again. excellent.
RE:RE:this is a warning
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 15, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
arre sharma, you are upset no one respects you because of your surname any more. Don't worry caste system will never return in India. And reservations will increase in next 100 years.
RE:this is a warning
by Shekar Rao on Sep 15, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
That was the handiwork of the Commies, akak Maoists in that country. They were given a major hand up by the commie traitor Yechury, as well as aid from the Chinese. The Cong or the UN did not raise a peep while Nepali economies went down the drain.
Get your facts clear first before bootlicking Sonia and party...
RE:this is a warning
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 15, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
Yechury to badaa powerful hai. Ek rajaa ki kursi hilaa di. Hindu Kindom ko secular state banaa diya. Maanna padega.
RE:Why?
by R.MAHESH on Sep 15, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
you are correct i am absulately agreed with you. Sonia is a slow poison for this country and it is true one day she may distroy our culture and religion. may be one day india will be known as a pure muslim or christian country. Now the time we should kickout these type of enemies and we hindus are just waiting after reservation this is the serious attack on hinduism. I think we should kicko out these foreign nationalists start with onceagain 'BHARAT CHHODO ANDOLAN" QUIT INDIA.
RE:Why?
by gopal sharma on Sep 15, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
I AGREED WITH U BUT THE CONGRESS PEOPLE R BECOME CHRISTIAN IS THAT SLOW POISON SONIA GANDHI IS SLOW POISON FOR INDIA SPECIALLY FOR HINDU
RE:Why?
by arun venkata on Sep 15, 2007 05:42 PM Permalink
I completely agree!! Enough is Enough!!! This gov. is purely biased - NON SECULAR!!! SONIA IS bad Influence. Last month i visited my native village in the costal area of andhra pradesh and found more than half of the village converted to christianity purely luring them based on money and reservation schemes but not on faith.
RE:Why?
by ghayas sarwar on Sep 15, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
Muslim do not worship kaaba stone, plz why u r not accepting truth, why blaming agaun muslim, this truth is said by hindus only,
don't compare hinduism with islam. Muslim believe in only one god,i:e- super power, who has created ur bhagwans (rat,trees,mountins, rivers, snake, pig, dog, cow etc.....can't count).
RE:RE:Why?
by amit jain on Sep 15, 2007 08:08 PM Permalink
ram is mythological but 55 year old prophet mo's screw.. of 6 year old aisha is historically proven. ghayas, this is what you believe in, you paki dog.
RE:RE:Why?
by amit jain on Sep 15, 2007 08:11 PM Permalink
kaaba was used for stone worship. so prophet mo covered it with the burqa of his 8 wives and stopped idol worship.
RE:RE:Why?
by amit jain on Sep 15, 2007 08:09 PM Permalink
islam is theft of jewish and christian scriptures, and hiding of source with some stupid angel called Gabriel or Gibral. its too hot and dusty in arabia to expect Gabriel to spend time there dictating a stupid book to an illiterate bedouin shepherd.
RE:Why?
by amit jain on Sep 15, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
ram is mythological but 55 year old prophet mo's screw.. of 6 year old aisha is historically proven. mo. was a nomadic arabic bedouin who stole christian and jewish scriptures and created a new religion.
