The two officials due to the improper use of language had been made scapegoats. Wish every one Happy Ganapathy pooja. The bachelor deity , and the favorit of the Indian youth. May he instill right knowledge in the minds of youth and the youth get into inter-caste marriages to bring about revival of Hinduism. Commmener may do this, and not the leaders.
In government no affidavit can be filed in the Supreme Court before vetting by the law officers (Addl. Solicitor General), who in turn takes the approval of Solicitor General in all sensitive and important cases. These Addl. Solicitor Generals and Solicitor General are political appointees and they leave office when the govt. loses majority or when its term is over. In fact, the affidavit is drafted by these law officers themselves by perusing the records without asking anything from the officers concerned. In any case, govt. officers are not legal experts so they are not supposed to draft the affidavits themselves. The draft is again perused by the seniormost officer of the Department which in this case must be an IAS officer (In today's scenario there is no person more politicised than IAS officers). It is impossible to believe that all of them missed this crucial part of the affidavit. These hapless officials cannot be involved beyond a point as all decisions are taken by higher authorities and ministers in such sensitive cases. Of course, the file moves from these petty officials, so the record will always show their involvement. Thus, it is impossible to believe that UPA was not party to the contents mentioned in the affidavit.
1. Ramayana accurately traces the path of Rama from Ayodhya to Sri Lanka. It mentions about the places where he stopped on the way and all of them exist even today. Its impossible for someone to make up these places at a time when maps didnt exist.
2. Imagine this, for hundreds for years Hindus have been hearing about Rama building a Setu on the sea when none apparently existed. Suddenly satellite imagery discovers it exists exactly at the same place and position it was believed to exist. Is it a mere co-incidence? What are the chances of this happening?
3. Ramayana mentions about the Vanaras who have a face of an ape and are bipedal (walk on two feet). For many years the remains of what scientists call "Pre-historic man" have been found. Doesnt anyone see the similarities between the pre-historic man and vanaras?
4. If the archealogists are looking for clothes, pots etc used by Rama or something written by him, that won't happen. Rama existed in the Treta yuga which was millions of years ago.
5. There is no proof for the existence of Mohammed and Jesus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Muhammad
RE:hmmm
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 08:59 AM Permalink
6. There is no proof for Abraham having existed let alone built the black stone called KAABA. There is no proof that there is angel jibreel who came and stealthily uttered koran in mohamad's ears. There is no weird animal called BURAQ with a face of a woman, body of a donkey, tail of a peacock and wings of a bird on which Mohamad supposedly flew to heaven. It is much more probable that a army can build a bridge than to believe that a man called Jesus walked on water. There is no proof nor its believable that a man named Jesus resurrected. There is no proof that Mohd split the Moon. But no one is talking about these things or filing affidavits in court challenging them. Why just pick on Hindus? because they are tolerant? Imagine someone challenging any of these in Saudi Arabia or any muslim majority country. Even if any of these ridiculous things are challenged say in Europe or USA, the Muslims all over the world will go on rampage destroying millions of dollars of property like they did during the recent cartoons.
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by Watson Peter on Sep 15, 2007 09:51 AM Permalink
Tolerant Hindus = They believe anything and everything they see from Sia Baba, Amruthanandamai, Snake, Lion, Tiger, River, Sea, Gays, Trees, Horse, Donkey, Monkey.
1 lady for 5 men, 100 men from a pot, Peeping into others Bathroom, Cheating to win wars, 1000 tribes, 1000 castes, upper caste & lower caste still remains, BJP to r...pe & kill inoocent women, and last of all the poulation of India is 100 Crores and is still going fast forward.
What a tolerant religion,
No work at all only work is making children and when someone else work and make money they start looting them.
RE:hmmm
by mathew john on Sep 15, 2007 10:03 AM Permalink
All religions in the world r human made, certain clever people made them for groupism, they never thot that they r slaughtering the human socity. Peep into the history, bloodshed...bloodshed...everywhere for God and religion. The religions burn fire in the society and separating us as Hindus, Christians, Muslims, and so on. The absolute result is bloodshed and peacelessiness. If u think only about a human society, leaving aside the deities and religion, u can do many things for this world or atleast for our nation. Unfortunately we born in different communities, if some one could have made me understand before my birth that this world is like this, i would have never come. Ram, Jesus or Mohammod were historic or non historic is doing nothing to the poverty striken people of our nation. Children are dying due to malnutrition, AIDS,cancer and many kinds of diseases are taking their toll on the human lives. Let gods and religions die or live, if u have humanitarian concern, dont take unnecessary tention on so called, human made religions, come out, a nation with a fractured shape waiting for al
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by sunil sharma on Sep 15, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
You seem very desolate. World is beautiful and so is life.But some people intentionally try to vitiate the atmosphere of communal harmony and brotherhood.Religions are for our good as they suggest and guide us to live good life.
RE:hmmm
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
For people like you no God is required, as you see Him in people. But for me to turn my self towards other people I require a leader. I follow the leader not the interpreters. I dont think any thing is wrong in it.
RE:hmmm
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:38 AM Permalink
Have you read these links before quoting it? Where is these two links, it says there is no proof. In fact , after reading it , it makes clear , that these men are historical figures
RE:RE:hmmm
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 09:50 AM Permalink
go and read them properly. it clearly mentions that the historicity of jesus of nazareth is doubtful. It is only present in christian writings and no non-christian writings of the time mention him. There are no artifacts found that belong to Jesus. Similarly there are a lot of vedic writings which mention Rama and his Sethu
Most often the officials are overenthusiastic and go out of the way to please their bosses.The same happened during emergency when officials created mess to fulfil their targets.Govts.come and go but officials should act thoughtfully.In this case, they utered something , they were not asked at all.
So the two poor old hags from ASI has been made scapegoats in this political battle. I do not see anyting wrong in their statement.. that there is no 'historical or scientific' evidence of the existence of Lord Ram. For that matter, there is no historical or scientific evidence of the existence of ANY God. It is purely a matter of faith. So why kick these two hapless men in their stomach?
RE:scapegoats
by purna on Sep 15, 2007 08:54 AM Permalink
Someone has to be punished for the misdeeds. No one from the government or the Director General of ASI can be touched. The lowest will get the boot. They will be made to accept the blame with false promises of rewards. If the DG had guts, he would stand by his sub ordinates and accept responsibility.
RE:scapegoats
by Howdy Texan on Sep 15, 2007 09:06 AM Permalink
samia, you are partially right, these guys are stupid to have questioned hindu faith. they deserved to be kicked.
BTW, do you think the same way about the cartoonist who drew prophet Mohammed? was he just poor somebody?
Educated people should not question others faith because nobody ever wins and everyone ends up hurt; it serves no purpose.
RE:India and its heritage in new perspective
by rashmi sahu on Sep 15, 2007 08:43 AM Permalink
Instead look to the great traditions of India that have their own deeper roots and use it to critique Western civilization and discover its limitations. Rather than seeking to define and control India according to Western perspectives, the West should look to India for guidance on the deeper issues of culture and spirituality. Indians, in turn, should assert their own greater traditions and not simply imitate the West or seek to justify Indian civilization from a Western perspective. True scholars of the Indic tradition need not go to Harvard or Oxford to seek credibility, rather these institutions should come to them. by Dr David frawley
Dear friends we need not look to west for assertion whether Lord Rama and Lord Krishna exist or not.The biggest disadvantage we have is we are underconfident>my only request to you all is get educated but search for your roots, culture,read sanskrit and vedas, geeta in your spare time. please do not be stereotype of West.Else this type of fiasco will keep happening by our own people who lave little pride and respect left in indian traditions,culture history and values.
know your culture explore it scientifically and bring out the truth further please read these sites : www.archaeologyonline.net www.atributetohinduism.com
The power monger Soniaji and her gang at least should have been grateful to Gandhiji (who was chanting Ram every now and then) whom they claim to be their mentor.For them power and nothing but power is primary and nothing else. lal
RE:JAI HIND - JAI BHARAT - JAI RAM
by rashmi sahu on Sep 15, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
The West similarly tries to control any debate on cultural ethics, using slogans of democracy and human rights, which are only used to intimidate weak nations and conveniently ignored relative to stronger or wealthier nations like China or Saudi Arabia . Organizations operating under the cover of human rights are among the most aggressively alienating influences today. They function like "secular missionaries", ignoring victims of terrorism like the Hindus, while defending the "rights" of terrorist organizations against security forces that are compelled to take action against them. Meanwhile, it is the West that is selling the weapons and profiting by terrorism and civil strife throughout the world. The West originally trained many terrorist groups, such as the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan .
Such groups highlight social inequalities in India , but ignore a colonial history marked by attacks on indigenous Indic culture. The same charges of cultural backwardness have been used throughout the colonial era to undermine the native traditions of Africa , Asia and the USA , and to justify forced religious conversion and political domination, which is their real aim. Sometimes native intellectuals are taken in by these Western approaches to social issues, not realizing that they are just promoting the colonial agenda of world domination in a more covert form. by Dr david Frawley
RE:RE:JAI HIND - JAI BHARAT - JAI RAM
by rashmi sahu on Sep 15, 2007 08:34 AM Permalink
All major cultural debates are now framed according to Western values and perceptions, and so they will naturally serve to uphold them. The important issues of Indic civilization today are framed according to the principles or biases of the Western school of thought. These include what Indian civilization is, when India as a nation first arose, what the real history of India is, how to reform Indian society, and how India should develop in order to have its rightful place in the future world. As the debate is defined according to the approach and values of Western civilization, India does not always fare well, and India as its own independent source of civilization is seldom acknowledged. India is judged as if it should be like another USA , UK or Germany , which it can never be, nor should be. This only makes Indians feel inferior or wrong.
RE:RE:RE:JAI HIND - JAI BHARAT - JAI RAM
by rashmi sahu on Sep 15, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
The Western school of thought has denigrated or overlooked the Indic school, particularly in the Indian context. For example, the Indic school has its own history sources through the Vedas, Puranas and various historical texts (Itihasas) that are quite massive and detailed and have much internal consistency. However, in writing the history of India , the Western school does not give these any place. They are dismissed as, at best, mythology and, at worst, fraud. Instead, it defines the history of India according to outside influences, as a series of invasions and borrowings mainly from the west, from cultures the West knows better and has more affinity with, which makes India seem dependent upon the West in order to advance its civilization again today.
The Western school of thought negates the relevance of the traditions of India . This is not simply because the Indic tradition is wrong, unsophisticated or irrelevant. It is because Western civilization is hegemonic, if not predatory in nature, and such ideas help promote its spread. Its information about India contains a built-in poison. It is meant to undermine the culture of the region and subordinate it to the West, however objective, scientific or modern its approach may appear to be.
RE:RE:RE:RE:JAI HIND - JAI BHARAT - JAI RAM
by ashish tikku on Sep 15, 2007 08:58 AM Permalink
This is what I call - Attitude of "Blame it on West". Every socio-political crisis or causes do not originate because of western education system. I think this is time for introspection rather than blaming on west on our internal matters. It about time to think that do we want socio-political system to be based on religious sentiments or strengthen in a way that would make us forward looking.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:JAI HIND - JAI BHARAT - JAI RAM
by rashmi sahu on Sep 15, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
ashish our(present indians ruling) thinking has become western when any saint /yogi comes we all rush to him for blessings later blame it on hindu dharma.When britishers were ruling india they knew in there hearts they can not prove intellectual superiority over Hindus because at that time itself our texts were revealing many scientific details.So they instilled in us the inferiiority complex.Which i clearly see in most of us.If we have to rewrite history of India then the worlds history will also be rewritten prior to advent of Jesus and Mohammed.B'coz Ramayana and Mahabharat contains significant information on this. do read these books by these wetern authors Once India ruled america.
in any circumstances we shoul take the best but not at the cost of ignoring and proving our text as mythological.We are still slaves of british mentality this is clearly reflected in every organisation of india....
This is the drama that pseudos are managing. Truth by repeated assertions have been one of the strategic agendas of christians. This is the first step.
