Actually Ram sethu was used for walking over to Talaimannar in Srilanka until 1498 AD. Records are available for this in Rameswaram temple. For further details visit the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam's_Bridge
It is the handiwork of communists and pseudo secularists to destroy the heritage of INdia and hurt the sentiments of Hindus for vote gain
RE:Existence of Ram Sethu
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 15, 2007 10:55 AM Permalink
India and Sri Lanka were connected by a fairly large land mass till 15000 years back when the sea levels were at least 3 meters lower in the last ice age. Ditto was the case between Alaska and Russia. Ice suddenly melted and these causeways went under water spanning a lot of legends around the existence of these bridges. In fact - in 70-90 years - Ram Sethu will be completely disappearing due to global warming.
Religion might not mean anything to few people, but for others it means a lot; it is the way of life for them.
Hindus are just being taken for granted by political parties. They can get away by questioning the very nature of our religious belief, existance of Rama, but dont dare to raid few mosques in Hyderabad to avoid few blasts, even when they have intelligence information.
Congress information and broadcasting ministry delayed the release of a movie because it would hurt the sentiments of christians, when it was released all over the world.
Can they question the existance of Mohhammed or jesus christ?
Bus hindu religious belief needs to be based on scientific evidences.
When Hindus ask for their religious rights, they are millitants and intolerant n members of RSS. When muslims n chriastians do that, they are just getting oppressed as minorities.
RE:Hindus are taken for granted!!
by Aftab on Sep 15, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
You seem to have lost metal balance and every issue for you is based on communla approach.
Interestingly, despite a court stay on dredging four weeks ago, the official website of the Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project (SSCP) continues to post details of the current operations, indicating that the dredging is in progress in the Palk Strait and in the area north of Adam%u2019s Bridge. Details of the project status and the quantity dredged have been clearly tabulated until September 13, 2007.
Union Shipping Minister T R Baalu, the protagonist of the Rs 2,427-crore SSCP, who pushed the project through and ensured its formal launch on July 1, 2005, sounded upset when contacted. %u201CI do not wish to comment on the project when it is before the court,%u201D he said. On whether the project was likely to be shelved, he said: %u201CThat is up to the court now.%u201D
Hailed by politicians as a project that would usher in development in Tamil Nadu, the SSCP was the mascot for the DMK and other political parties in the state, both for the Lok Sabha election and the May 2006 Assembly election. While the DMK had promised voters that it would ensure that the project would be launched if it had a say in the Centre in the Lok Sabha election, in the state election last year, the party gloated the SSCP achievement as its own.
%u201CObviously, the election fever has started and the Congress has thought it best to convince those advocating Ram Sethu on the feasibility of the project rather than provoke them. But all this is only going to delay the project and push the deadline for its completion furt
This message is for all those 'rational and scientific thinker.' My advice is read science more thoroughly and deeply. You will then understand the limitation of science. You will also find that no notion is accepted for a great period of time. Earlier scientists used to think that sun revolves around the earth. Now we laugh at them. Later scientists used to think that sun is staionary and sun and seven planets constitute the universe. Now we laugh at them. We think that there is no other planet on which life exists. It is quite possible that our grandchildren will laugh at us! If you read uncertanty principle then you will find that we just cannot accurately measure position and momentum of any particle simultanously. You will also know the importance of probabilistic theories in all theories. Show me even one nobel prize winner scientist who doesn't believe in God. It is because they all know where science ends and something extranatural starts. Have you forgotton the most famous quote of Einstein, the best scientist that the world has even seen, - "God doesn't play dice with the universe." Do you think you know science better than him?
RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:33 AM Permalink
By your logic what ever science says today may be overturned after few years. So Earth May actually be Flat still.. May be it will be swallowed by a Snake with Five heads.. I can say anything I want, because Science will overturn today's truth Good Logic
RE:Science and God
by gagan chadha on Sep 15, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
My dear balaord. Science is not what christians say it is. It is already written in Hindu holi books thousands of years ago. Not for no reason Hitler worshipped Swastika. The poor fellow used it inverse, which led to his doom.
Vedic science never said that earth is flat. incase you saw discovery of India - Bharat ek Khoj serial about 15 years ago, the shloks enchanted and their meaning given during credits run after the end of the serial clearly said how the universe for formed. What einstien discovered fow not something new, it was discovered 1000s of years ago by vedic scientist.
So far as authenticity of Rama goes, if it was a story set in Ayodhaya, I would also think it was all rubbish. How could valmiki describe far away lands which exact geographical locations?
Everything that Christian science does, has already been done by vedic scholars thousands of years back.
And evrything got destroyed during Mahabharat, what is left is only legend.
When history is very old, it becomes legend. because the physical proofs no more remain intact.
but all this is beyond the understanding of neo religions which are so your - only a millineum old. These religions are so insecure, they ask you to bow your head or attend religious gatherings every sunday.
Mind you i hate going to temple, and especially the most popular ones because how inconvenient it is. When I talk about hinduism, its the vedic one not the brahmin chores...
RE:RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:54 AM Permalink
Instead of rubbishing these stories why dont you point me to some academic links which says this or some well known scientist who authorizes these views?
RE:Science and God
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
What's the use of giving u madarsa breds any academic links?the only technology u understand is making bombs.
RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:14 AM Permalink
For your information.I have lots of respect for Indian mathematicians like Bhaskara and AryaBhatta. These great men of science didint belives in the paganistic belifes (sorry for saying this) like snake headed gods, earth swalloing animals etc. These men probably would have belived in Oneness of God
RE:Science and God
by Neeraj Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
That is not my logic. It is a fact that science keeps on changing. Most of the theories of 18th century and 19th century have been overturned. Can you deny this? You have missed the wood for tree. I have only tried to convey that there is something beyond science. You cannot say that what science can't see today does not exist at all. May be science is not so developed today to see those things. Our future science may see those things. Hasn't it happened in the past? Galileo was put under house arrest as he put forward the concept of heliocentric model of the universe as that was against the science of those days. Later on the world realised that his concept was correct. Now we know that he was not so correct as sun is not stationary and it is not the centre of the universe. Read science more thoroghly dude!
RE:RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:53 AM Permalink
Neeraj correct your history knowledge Helliocentric model was well known to Muslims centuries before Gallilioe.
see the most authoritative journal on science "American Scientist"
(Note you can see only the abstract) http://www.americanscientist.org/template/Login;jsessionid=baad-liQMjPbZZ?nextpage=AssetDetail&print=yes& ;fulltext=true&assetid=17936&message=PageAccessDeniedMessage
RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
May be true. As in Doha Asiad, some display of history was there. Muslims might have known it, but as the chronology was with Christians , it might have been sidelined.
RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
Hello bala, Galileo was sentenced to gallows by Cardinal Bellarmine for herecy, which was revoked by Pope John Paul II. Dont just read books REad only authentic books
RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
Oh I see.American Scintist is not authetic enough is it? Friend,This magazine has lots of Nobel laurates in its editorial. I just pity your knowledge
RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 10:23 AM Permalink
Dear Bala, Such vague american scietists exist. Just cross check,with the encylopedia to know whether Raobert Bellarmine and Galileo were comtemporaries, and that Galileo was convicted by St. Raobert Ballarmine.
RE:Science and God
by Rajesh C on Sep 15, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
Let our great ASI "scientists" prove otherwise. If they say there is no historical basis, its their incompetence in not being able to find the basis. India is one country in the world which tolereate vermin like communists and rationalists.
RE:RE:Science and God
by Vinay Gupta on Sep 15, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
balaord, why u muslim r afraid of puting yr real name in message board. is there any science or mohamad has told u not to divulge the name as he was afraid of showing his dirty photo
RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:50 AM Permalink
Talk about the issue.Your name calling simply tells that you are empty headed and have no facts to speak about
RE:Science and God
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
what issue musle.....first get the DNA test of the hair in hazrat bal mosque........and then come and debate here.
RE:Science and God
by Anirudh Narasimhan on Sep 15, 2007 09:38 AM Permalink
but u use products of science.. do u laugh at them?? and those who said things about science and solar system were philosophers and not scintists.. science is a systematic approach.. BUT i do feel an unnecessary statement has been made to hurt religious sentiments and could have been avoided. Though there is no evidence of any god existing.. be it jesus or allah or rama, imagine what the state of the nation would be if this was said against another religion? It would be burning.. Only because hindus are tolerating we get the brunt.
RE:Science and God
by Vinay Gupta on Sep 15, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
balaord, try to understsnd what neerajhas`said. there r certain things specially theories whether in science`, history or any other subject which are always prone to change. Example before discovery of Dwarka submerged under sea people like u used to laugh. but now they shud be ashmed. but do they have the courage to do so?
this attitude is the height of unscientific temprament
RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
sorry , I never heard of anything called Dwarka or whatever Can you point me to some neutral or academic web sites on this please
RE:RE:Science and God
by Vinay Gupta on Sep 15, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
read from web. search Dwarka, ASI etc. u will get lot. but all yr energy is for negating what is Indian. use some to find what is truth in Indian History
RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:56 AM Permalink
I put Dwarka .I am only getting pilgrimage websites. Dont rubbish.You guys cant point to one scientific link in the web on this issue
RE:RE:Science and God
by Neeraj Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 09:51 AM Permalink
In ancient age, science and philosophy was a single stream. Science became an independent field only few hundred years back. Now even science has bifurcated into so many independent fields. For example, nuclear physics is a totally inependent field since last few decades. So can you say that Einstein didn't understand anything about nuclear physics as this independent field did not exist during his times?
RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
You are right again, The pity after Science took over, Philosophy is thrown to the bins. Had both marched together no worldwars.
RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
Only after the emergence of Islam , science was systematically studied and the concept of Empricism evolved.before many scientific statements are mere hypothesis. See the Biograpby of Roger Bacon wrongly credited for Scientific methodology http://roger-bacon.biography.ms
%u2026 and has been presented as one of the earliest advocates of the modern scientific method; though later studies have emphasized his reliance on occult and alchemical traditions of the arabs%u2026%u2026The scientific training Bacon had received, mainly from the study of the Arab writers%u2026%u2026 He was intimately acquainted with the philosophical and scientific insights of the Arabic world, which was the most advanced civilization at the time%u2026
RE:Science and God
by ShambhuSaranPrasad on Sep 15, 2007 09:47 AM Permalink
The Science is based on postulates, and so the conclusions inferred therefrom. The philosophopy , which deals among other things existence of God et al, begins where the sciences end. the kind of affadavit that has been filed on behalf of the union government merely represents the limitations of thinking process of the concerned officials. s.s.prasad, Chandrapura, Jharkhand
RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 10:01 AM Permalink
Dear Neeraj, This is the reply I wanted to give to a pseudo SCIENTIST in the forum. Both for the inner peace and harmony in the nature we follow these leaders. Without innner peace there is no knowledge. Even Engels and Tiruvalluvar are mighties, though we have not elevated them to the reverence level' What they observed and analysed is for the sake of humanity and not for individual egos. Mr. Booole , the poor primary HM , would not even thought that his algebra would ever make sense to the people. Today the world is on his algebra. Know the real stalwarts and be matures. Do not go after the politicians and filmstars and business tycoons. They are mortals, but the real truth seekers are immortal.
RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 09:54 AM Permalink
The reply I wanted to give to a pseudo SCIENTIST in the forum. Both for the inner peace and harmony in the nature we follow these leaders. Without innner peace there is no knowledge. Even Engels and Tiruvalluvar are mighties, though we have not elevated them to the reverence level' What they observed and analysed is for the sake of humanity and not for individual egos. Mr. Booole , the poor primary HM , would not even thought that his algebra would ever make sense to the people. Today the world is on his algebra. Know the real stalwarts and be matures. Do not go after the politicians and filmstars and business tycoons. They are mortals, but the real truth seekers are immortal.
RE:Science and God
by sutirth dey on Sep 15, 2007 10:12 AM Permalink
Most of the things that you say are true but irrelevant in the context of the present discussion. Just as several scientific theories have been replaced by other scientific theories, several traditional beliefs have also been overthrown by modern science. For example, there was a time when it was believed that natural calamities are results of people's sins and God's displeasure, whereas today we have more proximate reasonings. Does this mean that God has been ruled out? Logically the answer is no. But if you want to say yes, then by this argument, all that you said about scientific theories being wrong and hence can not be relied upon, makes religious beliefs equally unreliable. Are you ready to accept that??
Again, what does the personal belief of a Nobel prize winner has to do with the existence of God? Science has neither proven nor disproven the existence of God and considers "HIM" to be outside the purview of scientific inquiry. Regarding Einstein, there is no doubt that he was a great thinker, but does that mean that there was no piece of scientific knowledge that was not known to him? Believe me, there are many things that a Standard 12 student knows today that Einstein himself would have had no clue at his time. Thus, just because Einstein has made a statement that mentions God, does not mean that all scientists should start believing that God exists. In fact, that is the precise anti-thesis to science- believing what somebody else says, on faith.
RE:RE:Science and God
by sutirth dey on Sep 15, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
Just a clarification, my above post is in response to Niraj's original post and not on anything said afterwards.
RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by sutirth dey on Sep 15, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
@ Balarod
I was just showing the flaws in the logic that Niraj has used. As a matter of fact, he does not state that he is keeping it limited to the issue of existence of Ram, he made pretty general comments.
RE:RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:16 AM Permalink
We are not discussing about Scientific proof of GOD.We are questiong the scientific evidence for a Historial figure called RAM.
RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
NO..WE ARE DISCUSSING THE BRAIN DEAD ZOMBIES,FOLLOWING A PDOPHILE HIGHWAY ROBBER,A RAPIST CALLED MOHAMMAD.
RE:RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
Objections, 1. Einstein is the graetest scientist of all 2. Most of the science nobel winners till date eitber jew or a christian. Draw the inference, Without religeon no knowledge. Without religeon it is only prodogal life. What ever religeon or following it may be. It is must to the humanity.
RE:Science and God
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
One more point. Nole prize was there only FOR 100 YEARS.This is the period where Brtish and other europeans colonized nations by dividing them So during this period, you wont find any one other than europeans or americans. When the whole world was busy buidling universities, we Indians were strugling to get out of British,So we lost well over hundred years on this.The saemis true for other eastern anations
RE:Science and God
by Neeraj Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
Dear sutirth, your logic is identical to mine. The students of class XII cetainly known more about physics than what Einstein would have known. This exactly is my point. The students of Class XII in 2200 AD will also know more about science than what we all know! Isn't it? How can you argue authoratively on the knowledge which changes every day. The point that I wanted to make was that there is certanly more to science than what we know. We cannot challange something just because "today's science" cannot prove or disprove something. By the way could you please give the name of any of the nobel prize winner scientist who never believed in God? If you read the evolution process carefully then you will know that there was almost zero probability of evolution of man. Every time something spectacular happened that led to the way of modern homosapiens. Starting from the distance of earth from sun, evolution of ameoba, destruction of dynasours etc. There are million of such things. Do you see any hidden hand somewhere?
RE:RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
Dear Neeraj, I think you are a graduate in philosphy. Philophy is studied in India by a small sect. Any way, Let your God share his knowledge with you.
RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by Neeraj Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
Dear Suraj, I am a graduate from IIT Delhi and a civil servant currently. I am only trying to bring out the limitations of science after sudying science in great details for so many years. We should not close our mind. I am asking all of you to become true thinker and true rational and not just a pseudo-thinker. Anyway, I have posted so many facts till now and I am yet to see any message which basically questioned my facts. So you judge yourself - who is more rational?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Science and God
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
You are rational. The theory of evolution and its interpretation about the involvement of the supernatural hand , all nre not taught in IITs. Any way, You say that Einsteins theories would be a matter known to matrics in 2020. Please clarify, Einstien theory of relativity on movig frames. Whether the theory is limited to optics or mechanics, or both.
1. First take Google Map and have a nice look at the location of Panama Canal, Suez Canal and Singapore
2. Next have a look at map of Southern TN/Palk Straits and Map of India/Bayof Bengal
Now think.. this canal project is not going to be used by any international ships. Any ship sailing from say Saudi Arabia to Singapore, has no use to this project.
Next, who else can use? Only those ships which are travelling from Madras Harbour to Western Asia.
Now how many ships are doing that? Not very much, Madras Harbour is very small and having very low traffic by global standards.
Ok, next, why would these ships need to use Tuticorin if canal is built ? No reason at all... Colombo would still be more sensible stopping point. Why? Because, Tuticorin is not a industrial hub or anything. Also, tuticorin is connected by rail to Chennai and it makes more sense to send goods through rail network.
So Sethu Canal is just a project with very little real utility. A high speed Rail corridor across eastern India to Tuticorin would be a better idea. Goods can be sent to Tuticorin through container trains - and then Tuticorin harbour would be used and ships can then send the goods to West Asia.
The canal is an irrelevant distraction, with little practical value. It is like using a hammer to kill a mosquito. The canal is actually a scheme to deceive the people of Southern TN, who are neglected by the DMK Govt over several years.
RE:IS SETHU PROJECT GOING TO MAKE TUTICORIN A SINGAPORE?
by abc on Sep 15, 2007 09:39 AM Permalink
Thats a good analysis. Do we really need this project? Is it worth to spend crores on this project and destroy the ecoloical balance as well.
RE:IS SETHU PROJECT GOING TO MAKE TUTICORIN A SINGAPORE?
by tamilan santhanam on Sep 15, 2007 09:31 AM Permalink
At l(e)ast you talked something sensible.What you said is 100% true my dear friend.This project does not benefitt the people of tuticorin as wll as it affects the environment.But this useless politicians as usul they are playing games with peoples lives
RE:RE:IS SETHU PROJECT GOING TO MAKE TUTICORIN A SINGAPORE?
by MGR Fan on Sep 15, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
I dont think people realise that, though Tamilians are highly educated and illiterate, they believe in illogical schemes that benefit no one (except contractor mafia). Sethu canal means absolutely nothing for people of Southern TN.
RE:IS SETHU PROJECT GOING TO MAKE TUTICORIN A SINGAPORE?
by Vinay Gupta on Sep 15, 2007 09:51 AM Permalink
why blaming politicians alone. The whole missionary educated people, convent educated and those who want to prove that they are more loyal then king are equally guilty
RE:IS SETHU PROJECT GOING TO MAKE TUTICORIN A SINGAPORE?
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 09:45 AM Permalink
you have hit the nail right on its head. the only point of this project is to insult millions of people in india and abroad for whom Lord Ram and Ram Sethu are extremely dear.
RE:IS SETHU PROJECT GOING TO MAKE TUTICORIN A SINGAPORE?
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 09:44 AM Permalink
Sounds much reasonable. The project started in a political dual, and is going to end in the same politics. Waste of millions. Villages could have been lightened and linked with that money. Telling something about the southern Tamilnadu. No redeemer has come in their rescue ever since independance. Though the political stalwarts like Kamaraj and Kakkan were from this area, they worked for all Tamils. For the present ones Chennai aaaarea and Selam area only form Tamilnadu. Down south build a new bustand away from the town, and force the economically weaker to hardhips.
This row was purposely done by congress. It is impossible to imagine that the leadership was unaware of repercussions. This was done to please the left. 1. Left parties are certfied Hindu haters and they would feel impressed. 2. this has effectively drowned the rift between left and UPA on nuclear issue and brought a second issue to the forefront giving both parties the time and opportunity to settle things under the table.
RE:Truth about Islamic Spain in History Channel -Tommorrow
by Sampat Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 09:31 AM Permalink
We are not dicussing anything about Islam in this chapter. Are you advertising for Islam. A good religion or civilisation does not need advertisement.
It is their fantasy to think that a Sethu Canal will create so many jobs that whole of Southern TN will become like Korea or Malaysia. DMK is defrauding people in terms of a project that means very little to the people living there
Ambika Soni is the main culprit in this. Action should be taken against her. Those officers of ASI can't submit those affidavits directly to the Supreme Court. The draft was approved by Ambika Soni. If Sonia wants to say that she is not behind this, she should prove so by kicking out Ambika Soni, her shoe licker. Those officers should be immediately made clear of the charges and their jobs be restored forthwith.
RE:Kick Ambika Sony and release poor officers
by Sampat Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
All Congress and CPM pseudo-secularists have no brains. CPM brian is mortgaged to China and Congress brain(less) mind is mortgaged to minorities. Why make poor officers scapegoats.
RE:Kick Ambika Sony and release poor officers
by sunil sharma on Sep 15, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
At least the 'poor officers should have used their brains and thought about the repercussions their action will have.They only believe in sycophancy and their promotions
RE:RE:Kick Ambika Sony and release poor officers
by sunil sharma on Sep 15, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
At least the 'poor officers should have used their brains and thought about the repercussions their action will have.They only believe in sycophancy and their promotions
The Government should dismiss the Minister who heads the ministry responsible for filing the affidavit, instead of suspening these hapless officials.
The Government, I am sure were fully aware what they were doing. The Congis got really scared that BJP,VHP and the "Shock Troops" Bajrang Dal would show their " True Devotion" to Lord Ram on the streets of India and prove the existence of Lord Ram.
The Congis now will not escape the wrath of Hindus by just suspending these officials. They can kiss good bye to electoral fortunes in the next general elections.
BJP will win the elections by a thumping majority and build a strong, stable India.
