How can we confirm Hair at Hazratbal belongs to Mahummad? How Christ is born to "VIRGIN "Lady? Who wrote the bible? What is truth in Mahummad's existance? ---------------- iSLAM AND cHRISTIANITY ARE FALSE NOT hINDUISM
RE:How Christ born to Virgin lady
by ansar salman on Sep 16, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
History proves that christ born to a vergin becouse it is the historical fact that merry had neither married nor had the sex with any one to proove it their is a total history with exact dates. the existance of mohammed was also not a myth infact a history, which can be easily proved as for as hairs or nails are concerned few indianised muslims beleaves in those kind of indian myths of either hair or stories of a drunkun valmiky.
RE:RE:How Christ born to Virgin lady
by ManLion on Sep 16, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
Hi Ansar, that's the myth propagated by people. Can you scientifically prove that mary did not have sex with any man. It's her word that one has to believe!!
RE:How Christ born to Virgin lady
by elumalai namboodri on Sep 16, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
Finally the answer to many qeries. 20 centuries and 14 centuries ago it happened. Even Budhdha is having the chronology dating back to 26 centuries back. But Ram and co can be dated back to 17 million years ago. You ask a child, How much he ate? It would be widened arms. Children are equal to God, Hence such mllion years ago can be accepted a divine.
RE:How Christ born to Virgin lady
by varshamadhav on Sep 16, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
christ was not born to any virgin neither he rose from dead. pope is just another political leader trying to protect vested interests of his country n church. christianity is a religion encumbered with contradictions galore between its principles n the actions of its followers over centuries. mohammed was just a tribal leader who came out with some rules of living which suited only tribes of that era. the rules of Quaran r chauvinistic barbaric n most unsuitable for modern mankind. hinduism is no religion at all - there is no established sect no written rules mandatory for people no undisputed religious leaders. ramayana n mahabharata r two beautiful pieces of literature just like lliad n odeyssey.
faith is the most stupid and illogical emotion man experiences n falls prey to - since we r inherently weak it's easier to assume life is part of a pre set plan of Bigger force n we have to just succumb n fall on its feet in life - it makes everything easy to bear. meanwhile clever men over centuries have exploited this weak emotion to the hilt. it will continue forever. snakes n sun n cows as forms of Gods might get replaced by something more complex as science progresses but religions n its runners in collision with states, corporates n other exploitative forces will continue the exploitation of weak. Rules of Nature!
RE:How Christ born to Virgin lady
by elumalai namboodri on Sep 16, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Tell me please, Ram was affectionate to Hanuman, Garuda. The great leader was affectionate to animals and birds 17million year ago. But for the last 30 centuries you were practicing untouchability, Sathi etc. etc How the link was lost? Or the Religion of Rama is somewhere in the world but notin India.
RE:How Christ born to Virgin lady
by ManLion on Sep 16, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
Don, You also seem to be just copying questions that others have asked before. We materialists cannot comprehend the spirutual message embedded in the scriptures. Ramayan though may be dated variously, it is the date attributed to the written forms. Dates based on an analysis of astrological signs dates back over 100,000 years ago. Bharthavarssha was not just confined to the present India, it extended far beyond your imagination. You, who has been brought up by brainwashed foreigners can't understand the greatness of hinduism and its ideals.
Rabid shiv sena and sangh parivar demons dominate rediff message boards and post vile hateful crap, but mumbai based and most probably sena sympathising rediff does not allow any response to their garbage.
i guess the real issue is there was no transparency to how the SethuSamudran project was initiated and is being handled.
more then worry about whether the bridge was created by Ram, the question to ponder is if the bridge is man-made. and if it is, how old is it? after all they did find a sunken city off the coast of Gujarat fitting the timeline of the mythological city of Dwarka.
and if the bridge is not man-made, then we should look into the environmental impacts of destroying the bridge.
also the full SethuSamudran project is conceived to increase traffic to the Tuticorin port. my question is if today the traffic through Tuticorin port is low, should we even have a port there?
and how much revenue is the ship traffic expected to raise? surely it cannot be more then what our corrupt politicians use to lien their coffers. :)
Whoever has wrote this, is either too ignorant or too sycophant. India was never identified by existence or non-existence of Ram.For those who do not know their history at all, let it be clear that Ram is only known to be one of the ten incarnate of Lord Vishnu. Therefore it is Lord Vishnu who is the supreme identity and not Ram. The BJP, RSS and all its affiliates are simply playing upon the sentiments of common man and nothing more. Unfortunately the author has also degenerated himself to that low level. he is nothing but one of the stooges of the communal forces that are trying to divide India on the basis of religion. But it should never be forgotten that India existed for centuries earlier before Ram came into existence and it shall continue to exist even if Ram is there or not there. Existence of Ram makes no difference to the existence of India. But for some communal minded freaks, Ram is only a tool to fulfill their own vested interest. People of India should not fall for these cheap antics.
RE:Denying Ram....
by Ram on Sep 16, 2007 02:05 PM Permalink
Agreed!!. But why only targetting the faih of Hindus. There are n number of Dargas and Mosques which are obstacles for road widening. The goverments don't even touch them.
Now, who is Communal Minded Freaks? What about the stupid governments who comes up with reservations on religious basis. What about the governments which want to count the number of minorities in Military.
I know you are a blind congress supporter. Come out of selective blindness and see the world around you. You are being made outsider in your own country
RE:Denying Ram....
by vivek bansal on Sep 16, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Dear Don, Please try to deal with hindus later,first try to stop uncle sam,currently crushing your loved ones every where,after that some energy is left,come to we hindus,we will show KISME HAI KITNA DUM.
We are not invaders,we love to live with peace and dignity,why donot you people try to follow that so this world will be peaceful and liveable for all.
RE:Denying Ram....
by on Sep 16, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Dear Gautam Yadav, Give me one instance in this whole article where the author is trying to divide the nation on communal lines. And please explain to me how being proud of one's God (or if you want, a mythological personality who has been elevated to godhood) and trying to preserve His heritage is supposed to cause communal strife? Where do other communities come into the picture at all?
Gandhi never believed in existence of Ram. He believed in Ram - as a character, as a name, and he had his theory of cleanliness of soul through repeatation of prayers and that "Ram" was the shortest form of prayer. Your reference to Gandhi with Ram clearly shows that you are either trying to woo moderates (essentially an attempt to convert them to an extremist) or that you haven't ever read Gandhi himself.
Writing of history has been a tradition in India for years. There are too many too timelines which has no proof. Existence of Ram doesn't mean Ramayana is true, if even Ramayana is real and not myth doesn't mean the bridge is real (and could be re-constructed). If even it was, there is no divinity attached in today's context.
Influence from west or east is not bad. Examples you gave were too rightist -- could be your temporary state of mind, or attempt to woo moderates, or encourage Hindu extremists. As long as the influence does not hurt humanity. Chritanity doesn't believe in science - your knowledge of other religions is at least as poor as that of Hinduism or Gandhi(sm). Those who ruled us believed in science. India believes in science. No one believes and lives by absolute religion, not even Shankaracharya/Pope doesn't. For one you can't because you don't know any religion first-hand.
"Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it." - Henry David Thoreau
I feel sorry for you JB. Dont be brainwashed. Your eyes and ears are open. But your mind is closed. Hindus dont think it is their "mission" to convert others to Hinduism. Actually conversion to Hinduism is meanigless. Mother Theresa though she was doing a religious duty by helping the lepers and trying to convert them to Christianity. Baba Amte, who also worked for Lepers (including his 2 sons who are doctors) did not have the compulsion of conversion and popularity which was a need for Mother Theresa. This is a good comparison between the schools of thought.
It is very easy to bash other religions. It takes courage to understand their faith and see where it stands.
I guess only a Hindu will say this: Continue to be a good Christian or a good Muslim. And you will automatically become a Hindu. We wont try to convert you because Hinduism is a thought process. Not a religion. The word "Dharma" which is closest to religion really means "Duty"
RE:For JB
by JB on Sep 16, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
I understand your good intention and I appreciate it. Technically it's impossible to convert someone to Hinduism, because the caste system is the backbone of Hinduism. If you convert someone to Hinduism, what caste will he be?
RE:For JB
by JGN on Sep 16, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
Mr.JB, caste system exists in other religions including Islam and Christianity and in some other countries also. You can get more info from Wiki.
RE:For JB
by JB on Sep 17, 2007 01:26 AM Permalink
You did not answer my question, instead you point to something else. And, NO caste system DOES NOT exist in Christianity. You can start believing in Jesus and be equal with all other believers.
RE:SETHU SAMUDRAM PROJECT MUST CONTINUE!!!
by Mansi on Sep 16, 2007 01:40 PM Permalink
I like the idea - call it "Ram Sethu" even after re-construction... Generations to come will never know this was re-constructed.
RE:SETHU SAMUDRAM PROJECT MUST CONTINUE!!!
by JGN on Sep 16, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Mansi, you seems to be ignorant about the subject. Sethu means bridge. No bridge is being re-constructed. What is under construction is a canal for ships to navigate. Leave apart superstition and beliefs. The proposed canal is harmful to the ecology and damage far out weighs the benefits. The propsed canal is not suitable for large vessels presently in service all over the world.
RE:RE:SETHU SAMUDRAM PROJECT MUST CONTINUE!!!
by maranare nambi on Sep 16, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
this canal is being done to get the pockets of DMK politicians richer than to the benefits of the shipping industry. As correctly said the raise of the crude price reaching skys. the vessels of future will become bigger and bigger to have cost per tonnage and this small channal will lose its charm and all our tax money will go in to the bottom of the sea
RE:SETHU SAMUDRAM PROJECT MUST CONTINUE!!!
by maranare nambi on Sep 16, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
yah, true, every thing can be destroyed fo the delvelopment of Mr.Balu,minister of shipping and his boss Mr.karunanithi and his hoard of family members!!
Inspite of your Christian upbringing, your knowledge of Hinduism is very impressive. People like you re-confirm our faith in our tolerence.
It appears that you have taken pains to understand Hindu religion and our way of life. Hinduism is a way of life. Muslims and Christians who look at the world with myopic eyesight will not understand it.
It is very easy to bash other religion. It takes courage to understand their faith and see where it stands.
I guess only a Hindu will say this: Continue to be a good Christian or a good Muslim. And you will automatically become a Hindu. We wont try to convert you because Hinduism is a thought process. Not a religion. The word "Dharma" which is closes to religion means "Duty"
