Excellent piece by Tarun Vijay...The reason for selecting that particular alignment is that, apart from Sonia being anti-Hindu, all her coterie is also anti-Hindu. DMK is also anti-Hindu. T.R.Baalu, a DMK Minister, and Karunanidhi got jubilant that they got a chance to destroy one more Hindu heritage...and so jumped on it...Karunanidhi/TR Baalu's main objective is destroying the Ramar Bridge and the Sethusamudram project itself is of secondary importance...And, based on Sonia's advice that it is election time, and so, the anti-Hindu activities should be temporarily stopped, Karunanidhi may stop his anti-Hindu things at least at the Centre...BUT, HINDUS SHOULD NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS TEMPORARY STOPPAGE OF HINDUISM DESTROYAL; ELECTION TIME IS THE PAY BACK TIME; HINDUS MUST REMEMBER ALL THE ANTI-HINDU AGENDA OF CONGRESS, COMMUNISTS AND DMK AND THROW OUT THESE DANGEROUS DESTROYERS..
RE:But what are the Hindu Ministers in Congress and DMK eating for their food?
by Ramasubbu on Oct 16, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
Mythological bridges cannot be heritag. Any heritage can be heritage only when it is proven to be man-made structure.
Mythological fake stories and structures cannot become heritage with sentiments and emotions.
Is there any evidence of existence of Ram or Ramsethu except mythological imaginatory stories.
RE:But what are the Hindu Ministers in Congress and DMK eating for their food?
by piyush tiwari on Oct 17, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
Christianity says humans born through men and women relations are sinners. So called Lord Jesus is outcome/child of Mother Marie and God himself(Not any human being!!). Will Man Mohan Sing Govt. raise any question regarding Unnatural and unscientific birth of Jesus. OOPS Madam might get angry .
RE:But what are the Hindu Ministers in Congress and DMK eating for their food?
by Ramasubbu on Oct 18, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
Any lie must be revealed and exposed.
Please read only if you believe in 'humanity' (Manavata). My message is for them only who truely believes in humanity. I want to share a thought of spreading 'Good' and discouraging Bad.
If you like to hurt anybody, certainly it is Demon's pleasure. If you feel bad for anybody's pain, you are like a Human. If you sacrifice your hapiness and your time for removing other's pain, it is Godly pleasure.
I regularly read the messages posted on Rediff once or twice a day in my free time. I clearly find above three categories even while reading messages. Some readers deliberately irritate others and then it is like chain-reaction. But there are few good messages acting like buffers to calm down readers. I know, everybody have beliefs in life, everybody learns and struggles regularly and unfortunately everybody gets irritated regualrly in life. All are HUMANS.
Llet there be some more light and not only darkness for all. Please, let us spread good feelings. Let us create hope and not disappoint. Let us not fight on foolish statements of politicians. If you carry one candle of light, you may spread the light. So please try to be human and not demon. Let humanity win over all the ills. Let us be MORE HUMAN-LIKE and less DEMON-LIKE. Finally there will be more humanity and respect for each other. There will be light of SMILES and less irritating words. !!!WISH YOU A GOOD DAY and a happy smile!!! (If you agree, please spread the light ahead.)
RE:Demon's feelings or Human's feelings?- What do you want for your generations?
by Ramasubbu on Oct 17, 2007 12:54 AM Permalink
I fully agree with you, But it doesn't apply for VHP, RSS, BJP hindu vote seeker lobby and Vedic Brahmin frauds.
RE:RE:Demon's feelings or Human's feelings?- What do you want for your generations?
by Secret on Oct 18, 2007 09:09 AM Permalink
Yes, now you know from where Gods and Demons originate from...They originate from humans. May be you are thinking in one particular frame and asking "who benefits from this kind of seup?" Think twice, the answer is everyone benefits from such set up where there is place for everybody and there are friendly people for everybody. Well, if you say 'Hell with humanity', then certainly, you may see hell around you and end of humintiy. It depends on how one thinks--what one seeks around oneself. If you look for hate, you will find hate around you, if you search for hapiness, you know how to gain it and if you search for peace, definately, you will first start making peace around you. So calm down and have another thought sometime when you want to try another better frame for your thoughts. Well, you can still complain and argue if you want but best is --ponder over your own ideas/thoughts once more in peaceful time and findout yourself, what concept can be beneficial for existence and peace of all?? I hope you discover a better concept of social set up where you can see betterment and benefit of everybody as you wished for in your message! Have a nice time!
RE:Demon's feelings or Human's feelings?- What do you want for your generations?
by Secret on Oct 18, 2007 09:54 AM Permalink
This above reply is for Ramasubbu.
Here is something which I would like to share. It is about pliticians and public (republic of India).
Why the feelings of whole country is driven by politicians and their hollow statements (may be perhaps public think on only imotional basis and cannot see the 'fact' behind their hollow statements??) What are the resons that politicians always win on the basis of caste and religion funda?? (Again the same reason perhaps??) and when such politicians rule the country, again descriminations or favoring happens...and the people who are hurt want some politicians who favor them..The cycle continues on and on and all hate for each other. Why do polticians or public want to stop this and bring better environment where people can have something better to expect from and give to??
RE:Christians and muslims are rakshashas
by Pravin Patel on Oct 15, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
Some Hindus are bad. But Hinduism itself is good. Because Hinduism teaches Hindus to do good things, and tells them how god rewards or punishes a person depends on person's deeds or 'Karma'. Christianity is evil because according to christianity all non-christians, good or bad, are evil. According to christianity jesus will forgive all true christians, good or bad, including Hitler, British colonialists, criminals, no matter how much they lie, and no matter how many crimes they commit. Christianity is also evil because christians believe it is their holy duty to torture, rob and murder every body who is not a true christian. Christianity is also evil because in christianity the definition of who is a true christian also changes from one branch of christianity to another, and even from one christian to other. For example many christians consider coward christians as fake-christians. White christians consider non-white christians as fake-christians. Christians of one denomination like catholic or protestant, consider christians of other denominations as fake-christians. And so on. Whole christianity is a big fraud.
Vedic religion is only poisonous injection of Brahmins penetrated to our society coupled with million gods as fear factor created for the survival and feeding of brahmins with free offerings. Without this Brahmins couldn't have survived for centuries together.
RE:Vedic religion
by Ramasubbu on Oct 17, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
If you believe Veda, you can deny this truth. Even I do not believe, But veda has this thing. However it is mythological , as mythical as Ram and Ramayana.
The name of Ram is chanted everyday in the west. In every major town in UK for example. In every school, Yoga is taught and 'Aum' used for meditation. In USA, locals are flocking to become Hindus. Hinduism is the fastest growing religion in New Zealand.
Prior to invasions and colonisation, India was one of the richest countries in the world (one of the reasons for being invaded). Trading with Romans and Egyptians, brought in gold in exchange for spices. The poverty seen today is a result of colonisation, Indians had survival age of less than 30 at independence.
Time to work together to get back to richness of the past, and for scientific achievements that were given to the world by Hindus excluding the term zero, surgery and advanced math.
Watch Michael Wood's doumentary 'The Story of India' for history.
Vedic faith is open and free. Religions based on fear, have to attack the faith for their own survival
Vedic religion is of emancipation and not of fear. Its scriptures are forward looking and meant to take humans from carnal to divine. But if it gets misinterpreted, misused, abused.. what can the wise seers that formulated these scriptures do about it ? If one follows the tenets and scriptures in their true intent and spirit, there will only be peace, harmony and prosperity. Today a lot of hindus are laidback, cowardly, unhygienic and live in despicable conditions.. it is their choice.. if they interprete tenets to suit their convenience, it is their mistake. If one looks forward to the lord with love, respect and gratitude, one would get the right path. If one continues in the path of sarcasm, provocation, confusion, expediency.. one would be miserable. and yes.. no half measures will do. As per me today India is in a bad shape and vedic religion is in bad shape. the responsiblity for this is with indians and not the other way round. anyway..this is my last response in this particular blog. I hope and pray that good sense prevails, people look with respect towards our heroes Sri Rama and Sri Krishna (I firmly believe that they existed).. and had they not been there ramayana/bhagwad gita would not have been there; and without these ( the directions contained therein) we are just animals.
RE:Vedic religion is religion of emancipation and not of fear
by vijayraghav on Oct 14, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
True purpose of vedas and other hindu scriptures is to liberate ,emancipate and take humans from carnal to divine. Remove them we would either have some other religion or atheism, materialism, hedonism or whatever else. I*( and so would a lot many devouts ) believe that hinduism ( as it is called today ) is liberating.. the onus is on the devout/hindu to gain the right knowledge and walk the right path. The scriptures have been subjected to corruption/dilution over the years ( due to invaders/colonizers),these need to be corrected and refined. and even that will happen with time. The wise seers guided this religion in its formation years.. vyasa and adi shankara gave it a structure some 2000 years back.. and now given the new challenges cropping up, some devout will arise and dothe needful. Hinduism never believes in forceful conversions..Neither does it have an organized structure. Right now ever sect is on its own ..Maybe this rama sethu issue and the accompanying misuse of the lords name would propel some devout to take up the challenge and unify, solidify dharma again.. tathastu!!! Om tat sat.. jai sri ram.
RE:RE:Vedic religion is religion of emancipation and not of fear
by vijayraghav on Oct 14, 2007 05:51 PM Permalink
and the country and its people will again be truly blessed and prosperous . One cannot be blind and do stupid things and blame Rama/Krishna for not doing enough.. do the right things, cultivate the right faith, be good,do good, know good and live a life worth of a human form..
RE:RE:Vedic religion is religion of emancipation and not of fear
by Ramasubbu on Oct 15, 2007 01:05 AM Permalink
Rama, Krishna has made this country more and more poor. Even millions of Fake aryan gods have done nothing to India. God whosoever has only helped who worked hard, who was practical , who did good things for country. How do Ram help this country when he couldn't save his wife. How could Krishna help this country when he had so many concubines and moreover he was a playboy? Is this what you call gods? What is the definition of God.... You are only following brahmin stories , not the religion,,, how could they be heroes????
RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by mohd salim on Oct 13, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
mr ramasubbu, they were the most deprived persons in the world.they earn there bread by looting india and like you people help them.india was the golden bird , and this the reason that the indians never attacked any other country. and now india again going up and this is the reason you bloody foreiners trying to again weakan india but now you not succeeded. you in urope and worship harry potter.also LOHAN waiting you with christ at road side.
RE:RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by Ramasubbu on Oct 13, 2007 09:49 PM Permalink
I am no christian or muslim, but I blame equally hinduism for vandalising dravid temples around 800 a.d. During that period thousands of dravidians were murderered. Brahmins looted everything from DRavidians. They were made untouchables, sudras in their own temples.
Did some one ever bothered to include this historical vedic blunder in history.
Brahmins rewrite history to suit their own survival. For dravids-- vedic looters were more worse than Gajanavi or muslim looters.
Even today same thing is going on. Every thing works with brahmin politics. Gandhiji was not in favour of hindu nation, so he was shot dead by Brahmin. He was never a complete hindu, though he was forced to world as hindu.
Today brahminic hindus are big frauds then any other religion in world
RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by vijayraghav on Oct 13, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
what is the proof ? show me proof that thousands were murdered or looted ? and exactly by whom ? and the same standards should be applied as you are applying for ram's existence ? I know that you will again debunk this and go on a different tangent..
you are writing your own fiction.. if you call ramayana fiction, then on what basis are you accepting historical accounts of biased communists and britishers as fact ? we indians were never good at keeping records ( and even now it is no different )..we just chug along like aimless zombies.. and what that means is anyone and everyone can add their mite in interpreting sitautions as they deem fit
RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by vijayraghav on Oct 13, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
the poor state of affairs is because people have moved away from ideals.. and who told you that all those that work in call centres are rambhakts? it helps you, gives you some sadistic pleasure to link rama with the pathetic state of affairs of this country..I can't help it. but the truth is we as a country have moved away from good values and ideals as espoused by rama and krishna; and are therefore pathetic and not the other way round. those who follow Ram, understand ram will never do any wrong.. but then nothing prevents a corrupt, inept , mediocre individual from taking the name of ram or abusing it or misusing it.. so do not confuse the issue. and we are not one country.. we are a hopelessly divided lot. Divided along religion, language, caste, gender, wealth or whatever else..anything gets used as props to cover up our hollowness. We may not have a shelter on our head, two square meals to eat and yet we are multiplying like rats.. Gita teaches one to be responsible, accountable, empowered.. Rama's life is all about grace and dignity. ONe can help oneself if one can chant the name of god and follow their ideals. Doing lip service will not help. even during the time of rama and krishna there were non believers, atheists. the purpose of life as a human is to perfect oneself and reach a higher state of evolution following such ideals as Sri Rama and Sri Krishna.. If we are not worthy followers, how can we blame our ideals ?
RE:RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by vijayraghav on Oct 13, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
so again you are going on a tangent.. again skirting the issue.. anyway.. what makes you think that bangaladesh and pakistan are Hindu countries? are you aware of countless african states as also states in south america that are worse off than India despite being christian and muslim countries? Religion has nothing to do with the prosperity of a nation or state. all those that have succeeded have mostly been materialists and hedonists. it is post their success they may do their bit for the sake of the religion they identify with, but a wealthy person in this world has only one religion 'HEDONISM' and only one god 'MONEY' and only one trait 'SELFISHNESS' India could do well if we were to just get our ethos and values right. Even foreigners ( including chinese ) accept the spiritual superiority of santana dharma. and only beings like you ( and karunanidhi ) for some pervert reason continue to abuse our deities. you can continue to dismiss of most of it as fiction or continue to go on tangent.. but then how can you deny the experiences of ramakrishna paramahamsa, sant tukaram, ramana maharishi, sant dhyaneshwar, even the siddhars of south india and many many hundreds and thousands more. Stop mixing religion and politics. Have some integrity and self respect. It is true that our country is not in good shape, but then the fault lies in ourselves.. we have not been worthy of the ideals and standards as outlined by our deities.
RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by Ramasubbu on Oct 14, 2007 07:52 AM Permalink
Vijayraghava I agree with you fully. But I do not agree that China has religion. Today China is religionless, America is religion less. they just focus on money, materialistic things and they get it. We even starve for every daily basic needs, but still we do not forget feeding millions of god who never existed. Other thing I do not agree about Ram- he never existed, not going by historic evidences , but even by simple time and chronologic situation of our presence. Ram is just myth. And it is also myth that chanting Ram will save us. No country in world know who Ram is. I accept your logic , but only thing I don;t believe in vedic blunder, unfortunately that is your emotion and millions alike. Hinduism word existed only before 500 years, so what are you talking about.Saivist and Vaishnavites were big enemies of each other. You only consider Brahmin scare filled politics as your religion sir. But it is not religion , it is only systematic poison and fear inserted in you since ages by brahmins. If you think fairly you will know what happend to out country, our heritage, our history-- everything was controlled by Vedic Gundas. And that Gundaism has become your fear and finally the religion of fear. If you don;t give coconut to god, god will be angry, he will not give you fortune. So when you survive on fortune, how this country can grow big , or develop? never with this present system.
Rest is individual choice. But I am not part of Vedic fraudism and Vedic horseplay.
RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by Pravin Patel on Oct 15, 2007 12:50 AM Permalink
India is poor, and christian and muslim countries are rich because christians and muslims robbed India for 700 years. During that time they also murdered atleast 50 million Hindus, mostly high caste one, and also converted millions to their own religion. Before independenance Indians were not allowed to manufacture any thing, when the christian countries were making planes and other high tech things. Now Indians are working hard to become self sufficient again. And evil christians like you and some muslims are working to destroy India again. But evil people like you won't succeed because Hindus basically are good people. Jesus christ is modern day Ravana, allah is kumbhkaran, and christians and muslims are rakshashas. Read 'Truth in Religions' at www.myspace.com/rakesh22.
RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by Suresh John on Oct 15, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
Your Hindu leaders only divided your own society into different castes. They were also happy at killing each other and conquering each others kingdom. It is because you never had unity, that other people ruled over you. Even to get independence, one Gandhi had unite people from every part of India. And what did you fanatics do. You shot him dead ! You are just poison, only interested in dividing the country.
RE:RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by Ramasubbu on Oct 15, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
It don't like your words John, But it is hard truth. Well said. Billion dollar words again. Gandhiji was killed by Hindu fanatics who wanted to unite them and give them one country and one language, but he failed. Even today Brahmins will ruin this country to rule dalits, shudras and rakshashas. Hinduism is brahmin religion not the religion of Bharat. True religion is in your own self , not in worshipping fake Aryan gods which are proven to be non -existence. Most of people here think Krishna and Ram were Heroes , but Krishna had so many concubines- he was just a playboy. Ram was so helpless , he couldn't save his wife, he had to take help of Vanars . How can you expect such person to help our country???
Hindus are already divided with their 330 million gods. The gods which are meant for South india are not known in North India eg: thrilokyanathar. Well we are all good in believeing fake things , so is our life.
Today millions of dalits , tribals are converting to christianity, it is because Hinduism is not united. See in Nicobar islands every tribe has converted to Christianity. North east, kerala, Tamilandu, tribal belts of Orissa, MP , Gujrat, Maharashtra. The day is not far when India will have 25 % muslim and 60% muslims...... I think even then Ram will be around here to eat coconuts and laddus. I hope sometimes he wake up and help we hindus.
RE:RE:RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by Ramasubbu on Oct 15, 2007 05:43 AM Permalink
correction : 25% christians 60% Muslims. ( muslims were 2 crores now they are 25 crores, it will multiply by 3 times in just next 10 to 15 years.
RE:Ram's poor and corrupt country
by Pravin Patel on Oct 15, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
In evil christianity there are all kinds of contradictions. Jesus christ is considered father of all the christians, men and women. But at the same time he is also considered husband of all the christian women and girls. Jesus himself was a child molester. He had spent time alone with one girl in one room to make her feel better. Why could not he do the same thing in the open for every one to see. Thousands of christian priests in America and other western countries have been convicted of sexually molesting boys and girls. But none of them has been put in jail. If some body else would have done same thing he would have been jailed for life. It shows christians treat their priests with higher standard than Hindus treat Brahmins. All those who are converting to christianity or islam are going downhill because sooner or later the truth will come out, that is all christians and muslims belong to rakshasha caste. At one time British christians thought they would rule India for ever. But they were forced to leave when Gandhiji proved they were robbers with double standards. Similarly one day people will know the truth of evilness of christianity and islam. That would be the judgement day for them. Then they will burn in their own minds.
