what is the proof that DMK founder Periyar was lived? photographs? if so before the invention of photography what ever happened on this planet earth was false/
the secret behind Ramyana is it occured millions of years ago and our christian west discovered this earth around them just two thousand years back? so they can not imagine the human history millions old antoher proof for the millions years old is the ramayana is the only ancient text in the world which interacted with Apes in the process of last staghe of evolution! Thats great!this is the only proof for its historical proof. Because some one to write a mythological story he would not have imagined interaction with apes as he would not have any knowledge of evolutions and he would not have even imagined that way. hence Ramayana is the true history of mankind besides its holy sentiments it is a testimony of human anthropology
RE:Ramayan is the proof for evolution and Human anthropology
by Vishnu Veni on Sep 13, 2007 07:04 AM Permalink
Correction, it is ASI's finding, now any one can disprove because it is infront of court who ultimately decides which is just as per law. Sometimes it is very very difficult to digest these kind of news(facts as per ASI), especially when you and all your household beleive from birth. I recommend whoever has the proof should present infront of the court instead of these discussions in media. Can't in India anyone who can keep a lawyer who can defend or prove against ASI?
But remember just because we beleived, truth will not become false or false become truth. E.g., many centuries people beleieved earth is flat, or sun going around earth... did they change just because we believed. When the proof came beleiefs have to change accordingly otherwise we making ourselves liars and our children followers of the lie. if any questions please mail me at kratnakar@gmail.com Sometime back I read in Competetive Success, a magazine that many Group 1 exam takers prepare had secion on persons Past, there they showed Valmiki and Vedavyas as Sanskrit poets, who wrote stories, why didn;t this agitation takes place then?
RE:Lord Ram is real
by Vishnu Veni on Sep 13, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
If they are same why did they say someof things quite opposite to each other? are they changing words.. or saying lies in every avathar... are they liars? e.g., Jesus is says there is no re birth, where as Hinduism beleives there may be rebirth, Jesus says I am the only way... where as Hinduism says many ways or all leads to same, etc...
RE:RE:Lord Ram is real
by rickylara on Sep 13, 2007 07:16 AM Permalink
NO THERE IS NOT ANYTHING OPPOSITE TO EACH OTHER. THE GOAL OF EVERYBODY'S TEACHING IS SAME. THE LOVE OF GOD. THE ONLY THING IS THEY TAUGHT ACCORDING TO CIRCUMTANCES AND TYPE OF PEOPLE AROUND THEM.
RE:Lord Ram is real
by Danial Fakih on Sep 13, 2007 08:18 AM Permalink
Ricky U r educated now by hving many lectures. When u say "TAUGHT ACCORDING TO CIRCUMTANCES AND TYPE OF PEOPLE AROUND THEM AT THAT TIME.I agree with u. The people in time of Hirnakashayp used to marry their sisters even...It got no relevance now .Same is the case with Ramayan or Hidnu religion(So called) altogether.It has to be updated by Islam or Christianity now.
RE:Lord Ram is real
by rickylara on Sep 13, 2007 08:26 AM Permalink
HI GOD DIDN'T TEACH HIRANKASHAYP. HE KILLED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS UNCIVILISED. GOD TOUGHT ARJUN HIGHLY CIVILIZED PERSON. SO PIGAMBAR WAS TEACHING THE PEOPLE WHO WHERE HIGHLY UNCIVILISED LIKE HIRANKASHAYP. INSPITE OF HIS TEACHING THEY MARRYING THERE OWN SISTERS (UNCLES DAUGHTER). THIS IS MOST UNCIVILISE SOCIETY IN THIS WORLD.
say He is Rama who is one and only, Who is beyond any requirement. he source of evething that exists, he is never begotten. and there is nothing like him.....
The question has moved from whether the bridge was man made or not to whether Ramayan is true or not. The Cong govt says Lord Ram himself is a fiction. They are saying there is no proof that Lord Ram existed. I have a question regarding that. Suppose tomorrow we find proof that Ram existed. What is the proof that Ram was an incarnation of Vishnu. The government would say there is no proof he was God. Then the question comes what is the proof that God exists?
The same question can be asked about Jesus and Mohammad. Christians believe Jesus is the son of God. What is the proof?
But the Congress government wouldn't dare to raise similar questions to other religions. Hindus can be subjected to any kind of humiliation and nobody would care.
Our system is a democratic system and that should reflect the values, beliefs and faith of the majority. Do they really represent us? Even the Muslim or the British rulers wouldn't have dared to make such declarations as a government policy.
Congress made it clear that they couldn't give a damn about the sentiments of the majority. It is now for the people to decide what to do with this government.
By hurting millions of people, this govt. is no more having majority in parliament and even in the heart of Indian people. Even Mr. Manmohan Singh may feel it inside that this is wrong because even in Guru Granth Sahib there are deep impact of Rama and the Ramayana. It%u2019s not just a thing by which govt. hurting people but even in the congress, many congress man are still Hindu and nationality in their heart. They can not deny for that. Still blood of all of Indians is inspired and motivated by the Lord Ram and the strong religious values that strengthen our life at every way. The intellectuals should come in front to prove the existence of our strong religious belief and the Lord Rama's existence. One place USA (Nasa) proves the existence of Ram Setu even with the time period mentioned in our religion and our sacred books which gives strength to it but on the other hand our own govt. trying to prove it wrong and mythical. It%u2019s really shameful to us that still we have such people who are trying to make our religion, our traditional values prove wrong. How they got the tolerance for saying like this. I am sure that in coming election, Congress will get less than ever recorded votes. No body can give strength to this government. Lets come together and give them the prove in favor of our traditional values and great Ram and Ramayana. God will be with us always. Hindu Samaj will prove the existence of Ram and Ramayana and there will be no question like this in future.Jai
If we cannot prove something sceintifcally that does not mean it is not true. It could be due to lack of knowldge or limitations of technology.
During the times of Ramayana, things like paper and writing instruments were not invented, nor were the means available to preserve the manuscripts. The knowledge was passed from one to another verbally and through folklore.
The point is, if we cannot prove something that does not mean it is not true.
Just think about about Physics what was said to unknown 50 years back is proven today. Quantum Physics is a glaring example.
Therefore let us not destroy the evidence, if that happens there will be nothing to prove even if knowledge or science gets more advanced.
RE:The Bridge to The Past
by Baalu Radhakrishna on Sep 13, 2007 06:55 AM Permalink
what is the proof that DMK founder Periyar was lived? photographs? if so before the invention of photography what ever happened on this planet earth was false/
the secret behind Ramyana is it occured millions of years ago and our christian west discovered this earth around them just two thousand years back? so they can not imagine the human history millions old antoher proof for the millions years old is the ramayana is the only ancient text in the world which interacted with Apes in the process of last staghe of evolution! Thats great!this is the only proof for its historical proof. Because some one to write a mythological story he would not have imagined interaction with apes as he would not have any knowledge of evolutions and he would not have even imagined that way.
hence Ramayana is the true history of mankind besides its holy sentiments it is a testimony of human anthropology
RE:The Bridge to The Past
by Hari Puttar on Sep 13, 2007 06:59 AM Permalink
You need to produce video footage of Ram, else they wont believe you. Same doesnt hold for the virgin birth when we can easily guess what was the truth.
Did they ever know what animals were uncivilized europeans hunting 7000 years back.
what happend? truth is untolerable right? it yes it hurts but our pain doesnt change it. so here it goes again. RE:Taking this to the masses in villages etc by Golden on Sep 13, 2007 06:08 AM | Hide message your anger cant uproot any thing. emotions dont give any logic to the truth and truth comes on the surface today or tomorrow. but it takes guts and only honest people can accept the truth. our emotions cant make something real which never existed out of our story books.
RE:truth hurts...
by ashutosh sharmayamunavihar on Sep 13, 2007 07:01 AM Permalink
I completely agree with you, may be couple of months down the line none will know that u existed. That will also be truth and still it will hurt some but fact would be that u r gone.
RE:truth hurts...
by on Sep 13, 2007 07:06 AM Permalink
What is truth.......if don't find something now doesn't mean it does not exist....what if you find something after the demolition...will you bring it back.......
Don't try to think you are the only genius and thinking broad minded....don't try to act smart ok......
I don't whether to praise or scold the innosense of lot of Hindhus....
If same kind of thing happens to other religions the situation would have been in a different way....by now...god know how many riots would have been started.....
shame on Hindus who are trying act as smart....
Please...please...save Hindus and Hindu Culture.....
RE:truth hurts...
by Danial Fakih on Sep 13, 2007 07:25 AM Permalink
There is no bigger curse than ignorance.Use Logic.We all know that no science can prove existance of GOD, whether its Allah or Bhagwan .If its an assumption than why not assume God to be ultimate like Allah.Ram was too weak to be a God... Either Ram was God or a Person?Boss wake up ...U r right! there r ample proof of God existance... Yes there is a God or super power but that never matches the character called Rama,he doesn't qualify to be called as God even if we consider Ramayan True.
RE:truth hurts...
by rickylara on Sep 13, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
WHY YOU SAY RAMA WAS WEAK? THE RAMA'S SARVENT CAN BURN THE LANKA. THEN THINK WHAT RAMA CAN DO? I SAY THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHO YOU ARE? THEN YOU WILL UNDERSATND GOD AND HIS ACTIVITIES?
RE:truth hurts...
by Danial Fakih on Sep 13, 2007 07:58 AM Permalink
Rama as chracter in Ramayan needed monkeys to help him ...so what Alexander the Great had 100,000 Army to help him .I agree with u that Rama was brave King...but A MAN ...like Alexander the Great was a man.Certainly he wasn't a God .
RE:truth hurts...
by rickylara on Sep 13, 2007 08:07 AM Permalink
AGAIN SAME THING
TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS EXCHANGE OF LOVE BY SERVING THE GOD IN HIS MISSION. GOD DOESNOT WANT ANYBODIES HELP. HE TAKES HELP TO RECEPROCATE LOVE TO HIS DEVOTEES. HE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH AND WITHOUT ANYBODIES HELP. IT IS OUR IGNORNACE THAT WE UNDERESTIMATE HIM BECAUSE HE TOOK HELP FORM ANIMALS. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROPERLY.
HE ONLY MADE IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD THE BRIGE ON SEA. HOW CAN U THINK THINK THAT MONKEY CAN BULD BRIDGE OVER SEA WITHOUT LORDS BELSSINGS.
SO CORRECT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IN THIS MATTER. AND ENJOY LORDS ACTIVITIES.
RE:RE:truth hurts...
by rickylara on Sep 13, 2007 08:08 AM Permalink
AGAIN SAME THING
TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS EXCHANGE OF LOVE BY SERVING THE GOD IN HIS MISSION. GOD DOESNOT WANT ANYBODIES HELP. HE TAKES HELP TO RECEPROCATE LOVE TO HIS DEVOTEES. HE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH AND WITHOUT ANYBODIES HELP. IT IS OUR IGNORNACE THAT WE UNDERESTIMATE HIM BECAUSE HE TOOK HELP FORM ANIMALS. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROPERLY.
HE ONLY MADE IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD THE BRIGE ON SEA. HOW CAN U THINK THINK THAT MONKEY CAN BULD BRIDGE OVER SEA WITHOUT LORDS BELSSINGS.
SO CORRECT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IN THIS MATTER. AND ENJOY LORDS ACTIVITIES.
