RE:Truth is Truth, False is False whether we beleive it or not. Why don't someone prove to court?
by Sankalp on Sep 13, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
170000 years is calculated taking into account the Yuga,ie,Kali yuga Tretha yuga etc.It may not be the truth and Ramayana may not be that far in history.Well,how can UPA Govt and ASI expect Valmiki or Rama or Sita to leave evidence ? They owe Hindus an explanation.Why no pacification from Soniaji or Mnmohaanji when our sentiments are hurt.I'd read she ran to visit members of Islam when there was a problem.
Hindus will forget this crime,this insult when the next elction comes.they will go and listen to Sonia's heart rending narration of their family history(nehruji ne,Indiraji ne Rajiv ji ne Quattorochi ji ne yeh kiya woh kiya).So let us unite atleast in the matter of VOTING THESE FILTHY MEN AND WOMEN OUT OF POWER.They disgraced and ridiculed our own culture by acting as 'secularists',while they are shedding secualrism to implement Sachar report.March to Delhi...That is what is needed and dethrone the Vatican agent.
We should protest against this verdict.. this is too much to take things like no profs for existence of ram in india... So this is time to change our attitude of being silent and Patient for every thing happened to us,.....
I have rad almost all the messages that appeared in this column. It is not surprising that Hindus are a divided lot even in this matter. Some say the entire Ramaya, Mahabharat etc. are just mythological books without any substance.
The problem with Hindu society is that majority of them do not know what Hinduisum is all about. Since the parents do not know the essence of Hinduism, they do not pass on anything good to their children.
There are lot of schools and other organizations of Chinmayananda Mission across the country. If you take your children at least for a week to any of the organization run by Chinmaya Mission, they would have learned a lot about Hinduism and appreciated how scientific is this relgion compared to other religions. It is the only relgion that scientifically deals with all aspects of universe, earthily livings, planets and stars and co-relate them to the earth etc are classic examples. WE know when there is LUnar or solar eclipse, the influence of the same is felt on earth - even the mighty oceans on earth cannot escape from its influence. Then how can human beings can escape from this. Science of astrology deals with these matters.
It is time for Hindus to learn what exactly is Hinduism. If they know it, no government would have dared to make statements like this. UNITE HINDU BROTHERS, be a proud citizen of Bharat be proud for being borne as Hindu - a religion which has no string attached to it. A Hindu is a free man.
RE:Ram's existence
by Sankalp on Sep 13, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
Sir,we are all living proofs of Hinduism.We may not be able to narrate it,but we know the essence.Unfortunately that includes an open mentality towards other beliefs too which has acted against us by these dirty minded politicians.
RE:Ram's existence
by Shambhu Mehta on Sep 13, 2007 10:14 AM Permalink
Hinduism is made of castes. If you abolish caste sysetms, there is nothing like hinduism. It is the only religion which practices untouchability.
RE:Ram's existence
by Sankalp on Sep 13, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
Sir,it is true that there should be no descrimination along caste or colour.If each community keeps its identity and still be part of Hinduism and have a feeling of unity among ourselves,these politicians will go apply citizenship in Italy.
RE:Ram's existence
by venkat on Sep 13, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
And other religions will put untouchability in practice too as well. Several christians practicsed apartheid for centuries against blacks and asians. History won't forget all these things.
RE:Ram's existence
by Shambhu Mehta on Sep 13, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
It is true that slavery was practiced. But which is the worst between these two, slavery or untouchability ?
Do you belive if I say untouchability is prevailing even in WEstern countries. Many of them are still closed minded people and treat the blacks are inferior people, just like our upper Hindus treat the lower castes here. In Britain even if you are a white-skinned, that wont do. They ask about your ancestors. If they are orthodox, traditional richies, you will have status, otherwise you wont able to wine and dine with the so-called Lords! The division of society there is on CLASS-LINES, not on CASTE-LINES. But the fact is that division is there. Take your own example. If you are well educated, sophisticated and earning good, will you or any of your family members opt for an alliance from a labour class even if they are from your own caste or religion. So man, always made division in the soceity according to the status. In India soceity was divided on professional line and it was given caste colour. Valmiki himself was borne in a low class family, saint Vishwamitra was a Khatriya, but they all got brahinhood or sainthood by their Karma. Take example of Mata Amritanandmai. She is borne as a backward class girl, now attained sainthood and even the high caste brahmin fell on her feet! That is the beauty of Hinduism man. Learn more about your OWN religion first. Search your own root.
I don't need to learn anything from hinduism. Because unfortunately i am born hindu. I don't differentiate men mere from their class/caste or colour. I believe in humanity. One more thing about the name you mentioned. They are and were mere exceptions and exceptions do not make low.
RE:Ram's existence
by Truth Teller on Sep 13, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
But remember just because we beleived, truth will not become false or false become
truth. E.g., many centuries people beleieved earth is flat, or sun going around earth...
did they change just because we believed. When the proof came beleiefs have to change
accordingly otherwise we making ourselves liars and our children followers of the lie.
Your belief determinse your destiny
Sometime back I read in Competetive Success(I ma sure you can refer to may other
hostorical books), a magazine that many Group 1 exam takers prepare had secion on
persons Past, mentioned Jesus 4B.C Budha ~500BC Mohemmed ~500AD there they showed
Valmiki ~800BC and Vedavyas ~800BC as Sanskrit poets, who wrote stories, why didn;t this
agitation takes place then? You know more thing Valmiki is contemperor of Ram as per
Ramayana... i.e Valmiki wrote part of Ramayana as they lived in same age. how is it
possible one who lived 170000years back and one who lived in 800BC can be contemperors?
RE:RE:Ram's existence
by venkat on Sep 13, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
The history was written by ASI and other institutes where commies (communists) rule. so, there is no surprise in here.
RE:Ram's existence
by Shankar Rajaraman on Sep 13, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
For us Hindus, ShriRam is an aspect of Brahman, beyound time and space.It is a futile exercise to date the undatable. But these commies, as Krishna tells in Bhagavadgeetha are Krupanas, mean, selfish brutes who cannot conceive something that is timeless. They think they can give an inferiority complex to Hindus by presenting evidence that their beliefs cannot be dated in history without realizing the fact that for us, Ram is not merely a historical entity, but God in human form. To date him is to limit him. To say that he lived in a particular time and in a particular place amounts to negating his presence at other times and in other places. Even if Rama had not buit the setu, the place has acquired that sanctity in Hindu hearts over thousands of years. How wise is it to build a physical structure on an edifice of broken emotions?
RE:Ram's existence
by Secret on Sep 13, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
To the truth teller,
Why do you repeat the same messge and do not even read replies????
You look so close minded.
The ultimate truth is that nobody knows what is truth. The evidences are made by people time to time and destroyed or modified by people time to time (without any record). In this process, one cannot prove or disprove anything related to old past. Today you may think Ram did not exist and tomorrow you find some evidence and say he existed but he was not god, and day after tomorrow you may not believe in God becuase there is no proof of existence of God. So as time changes, human change the beliefs but truth remains unknown in that sense. So the present belief of millions of people that ram existed should be respected as this large number of people makes a huge part of our nation. 'Competition success' will not teach you many lessons of life except how to write in exams. Books do not teach you many things. So believe that Life is a truth. As you get older you may forget many things but may learn also. Human has always learnt and also forgotten many things. Perhaps Ramayana may be one of those forgotten by many hindus who argue like you asking for evidence of such existence after thousands of years.
If Center has guts, they should declare Mahammed or Jesus did not exist ? They cann't do that even though there is no archiological evidence of Jesus or Mahammed.
Rama or Ramayana is several thousands old history. Did Govt (Center) had all the record of India's all old history ? Its shame to all congressies who still support Center for their above anti-Hindu Nature.
Mahatma Gandhi used to read and explain GITA to others.
Few months before when Pranab Mukherjee had an accident and seriously injured, all those days in the bed he read GITA few times. WHY did he ?
Its shame we (Indians) still supprting congress Govt at the center, particularly Sonia Maino...
Another thing is Rama and Ramayana's ASI fact is Communists manifesto too. It is communists manifesto Center is trying to pose and establish.
RE:Does Center has guts to declare there was no evidence of Mahammed or Jesus ?
by Truth Teller on Sep 13, 2007 10:03 AM Permalink
It is ASI's finding, not Government politicians, now any one can disprove because it is
infront of court who ultimately decides which is just as per law. Sometimes it is very
very difficult to digest these kind of news(facts as per ASI), especially when you and
all your household beleive from birth. I recommend whoever has the proof should present
infront of the court instead of these discussions in media. Can't in India anyone who
can keep a lawyer who can defend or prove against ASI?
But remember just because we beleived, truth will not become false or false become
truth. E.g., many centuries people beleieved earth is flat, or sun going around earth...
did they change just because we believed. When the proof came beleiefs have to change
accordingly otherwise we making ourselves liars and our children followers of the lie.
Your belief determinse your destiny
Sometime back I read in Competetive Success(I ma sure you can refer to may other
hostorical books), a magazine that many Group 1 exam takers prepare had secion on
persons Past, mentioned Jesus 4B.C Budha ~500BC Mohemmed ~500AD there they showed
Valmiki ~800BC and Vedavyas ~800BC as Sanskrit poets, who wrote stories, why didn;t this
agitation takes place then? You know more thing Valmiki is contemperor of Ram as per
Ramayana... i.e Valmiki wrote part of Ramayana as they lived in same age. how is it
possible one who lived 170000years back and one who lived
RE:Does Center has guts to declare there was no evidence of Mahammed or Jesus ?
by Ramanath Babu on Sep 13, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
In coming months, when Dushra and Deepali are clebrated, no congressman should be allowed to visit any temple, or participate in any function organized in your locality. These people should be socially outsted. This is how Hindus should react to UPA members.
RE:allah is the only truth phot mohd is the only messenger
by milind shitole on Sep 13, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
If you are religion is great why can't all Islamic nation together? why can't so called islam keep them together.
Check out the Indian government websites. Hindu holidays are VERY few already. Check out the websites of Indian embassies abroad. Indian government will reduce Hindu holidays but they will NEVER dare touch minority holidays.
Ban all religious Holidays! by Ramesh Kapoor on Sep 13, 2007 09:40 AM How many days are wasted in a year because of religious Holidays. There is no proof as to the existence of any such Gods, Prophets, Gurus, et al, and with the same logic no burials, cremations, and or any such forms of final rituals be allowed.
RESPONSE: RE:Ban all religious Holidays! by Sunil Fernandez Ramesh, check out the Indian government websites. Hindu holidays are VERY few already. Check out the websites of Indian embassies abroad. Indian government will reduce Hindu holidays but they will NEVER dare touch minority holidays.
RE:Ban all religious Holidays! Originally by Ramesh Kapoor
by vinyas hebbar on Sep 13, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
You are the most pessimistic person i ever seen in my life time. You also dono how to njoy the life along with all your work,,,.. Better u change ur attitude first and then coment here..
RE:Ban all religious Holidays! Originally by Ramesh Kapoor
by deepak on Sep 13, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
Ramesh dont take materialism too far buddy. Man doesnt live by sheer logic or material alone. The spirit needs sustenance. If were were to evaluate everything in terms of wasting then indeed all the work that we do 5 days a week is the actual wastage ! think abt it.
RE:save my beleif
by Truth Teller on Sep 13, 2007 09:57 AM Permalink
If your beleif is truthful, they are saved themselves, no one need to save. If it is not truth, it will die as time goes. e.g., people beleived centuries that earth is flat, or sun rotating around arth etc.. did they became as they beleived or beleif changed as they are? same will happen, if Ramayana is story it will be story, if not someday someone will prove.
Sometime back I read in Competetive Success(I ma sure you can refer to may other
hostorical books), a magazine that many Group 1 exam takers prepare had secion on
persons Past, mentioned Jesus 4B.C Budha ~500BC Mohemmed ~500AD there they showed
Valmiki ~800BC and Vedavyas ~800BC as Sanskrit poets, who wrote stories, why didn;t this
agitation takes place then? You know more thing Valmiki is contemperor of Ram as per
Ramayana... i.e Valmiki wrote part of Ramayana as they lived in same age. how is it
possible one who lived 170000years back and one who lived in 800BC can be contemperors?
RE:save my beleif
by jiniharesh on Sep 13, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
If you've belive in God, can you prove my dear Truth Teller.....? Western countries embrass on Hinduism, but, our country dont believe in Ram. They follow Yoga, but, we tell that's waste of time. After 5000 years, Gandhi will be an epic person. It's like that only. So, you can't give proof for everything. Western countries dont have even proof for Jesus. They dont have proof for his childhood, they dont have proof for his disappearance for few years and they themselves believe he came to Himalayas and embrased Budhism and came back and preached in a different way. Who have proof for that. No one. When few hunderd years back the French Astronomer told the Kind that Earth is a globe and NOT Flat, they hung him, because he was not having proof. They, with the help of Science the same countries aggreed that Earth is not Flat. So, if there's no proof for a Belief, it does not mean it's not true. Few years back there was no Harappa and Mohanjadaro. Before that no one knew there was a civilization in India. After it's been found, westerners agreed. Proof might come for Ramayana after so many years, but at that time, you wont have Sethu bridge to preserve.
RE:save my beleif
by dilip kabra on Sep 13, 2007 10:22 AM Permalink
your answer is in your statement itself. existence of ram is truth thats why it has not died with the passage of time.
Through the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowment Act, Hindu temples and Maths are taken over by state Governments in the name of better administration, while mosques and churches are completely autonomous. This Act allowed the state governments and politicians complete control over the temples and their property. Many abuses are committed by multiple state governments using the power accorded through this Act.
In Andhra Pradesh under Chief Minister Y. Samuel Rajasekar Reddy, tens of thousands of acres of temple lands are sold away leaving temples with little economic basis. This is done without the permission of the local Hindu community. The state government and the endowments department whose duty is to safeguard the temple properties have turned a blind eye to such encroachments or take overs of temple properties. The state government recently went to the extent of regularizing encroachments at nominal prices. These encroachments are often found to be closely associated to various political parties.
In Andhra Pradesh, Hindu temples, institutions and Hinduism itself are illegally targeted by the crusade of the government. Under the Temple Empowerment Act, about 34,000 temples are under government control. Only 18% of the revenue of these temples is said to be given back for temple purposes, while the remaining 82% is used for other things by the government at their discretion.
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