Today in the Hindustan Times, there is an article by Mr.M.K.Narayanan claiming %u201CWe have thwarted many terror strikes%u201D. Just above that article, there is a report by the UNO that India is not geared to tackle terror. I hope Mr.M.K.Narayanan will read and understand that article rather than thumping his chest.
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by Sonu Madhavan on Sep 11, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
Abhinav No indian solider is killed in front line that is right but what about the solider killed in our own land in J& k on daily basis
America wipe out two nations army iraq and Taliban and only a few thousand solider killed and we in a kargil war lost almost thousands this is all becasue of our politician
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by Lucky B on Sep 11, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
Most of the state uses Spanish is second language. US immigration department provides forms in Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean etc languages.
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by cycube on Sep 11, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
the republic of indias official language is hindii, not english.
They are 100% true Muslims. Their scripture tells them to kill all kafirs. It says even if some Muslims die during such attacks, it is OK and they will be highly rewarded after death.
Point to be noted is that Indian Muslims are not bad people. Their religion is bad. In fact most of them are most humane because while following the Islamic tradition is all prayers etc, they turn blind eye to the part of the stricture that tells them to kill Kafirs. In fact, most of them go to the extent of even denying the existence of such strictures.
One more thing: people in this forum act as if this is Hindus vs Muslim problem. Don't be blind, all over the world, these '100% true Muslims' who follow everything written in their holy book are creating problems. Thailand, Myanmar, European countries, Russia, US - name any country where they can form a group, they have created trouble. But they try to give these troubles a local picture so that their opposition stays divided. Bush's plan and action would have been best if it was really guided by restraining Global terrorism - Alas, US intention is oil and oil only. That is the tragedy.
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by Sriram Chandrasekhar on Sep 11, 2007 09:47 AM Permalink
Hey man, you've hit the nail on the head! can't agree with you more on this.
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by Chanakya on Sep 11, 2007 10:27 AM Permalink
Libran.. you are right to a great extend... however, as far as terrorism in India is concerned, my observation and opinion is a bit different than you. The Muslim community who have been here for immemmorial times, who fought together with Hindus and other religions for freedom of India, and has been settled down here are a differnet lot than that of muslims worldwide. Let us not forget that only school education does not make a person liberate or human...the surrounding, the culture of the country, the constitution and a community living in India has made Indian Muslims much more liberated and forward looking and peace loving. Whether they are in minority or not - that is not the question - Whatever growth and position in the world India achieved today has its share of contributions from Muslims too. However, we cannot compare the muslims population in our neighboring as well as other countries with that of Indian muslims, though they may be lacking in academic education. Other countries are jealous of India since all religions here live peacefull in a secular environment and they are not able to digest the same. This is what makes them to do terror attacks on pockets of Hindus and sometime at muslims so as to create a devide between the religions and make the Muslims think the way other muslims. As far as terrorism in India, these so called Jihadis (the young/educated blood of Indian muslims) are being mesmerised with wealth, thus making them contract killers.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
Islam comes from the root word Salaam,which means peace. It also means submitting one's will to Allah (swt). The word Salaam is also an attribute of God. In this context, it means The Giver of Peace.Muslims greet each other with Salams which translates to wishing peace for one another.Thus peace is a goal that Muslims are required to strive for, in their own selves, in their families and in their communities.Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect,even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations.The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. May one ask,Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia, and to the East coast of Africa ?
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by Libran on Sep 11, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
I am not talking about history. Ia am talking about current situation! Don't divert to cover yourself!!
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by Vikram on Sep 11, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Today 80 % of India is not hindu Considering the pakistan and Bangladesh which were part of India before 1947 , Muslim population is 50 % and hindu population is 50 %
Ismail Sayyed dont try to practice "Takiya " -(mislead non muslim people) here
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by neetu vasvi vinod on Sep 11, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
I would say, it is men who had opted islam, because they had freedom to marry more than one woman, and secondly they could suppress the ladies and use them for their service, but in other religions, both the sex are treated equally and given same previlage and participation.Besides they can marry only one, and get divorce after a period of 3 years to get married to the second. What ever hindus that were converted to muslims were belonging to the sudhras. Those who did not wanted to convert, committed suicide (like King Prithviraj Chawhan's family) and remaining fought against them to throw them outfor e.g. Shivaji Maharaj, Prithviraj etc
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by khajsingpungipur on Sep 11, 2007 10:27 AM Permalink
Terrorism can be handles through counter-terrorism. Loha hee lohe to kaatataa hai.
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by Kedarnath Raikhelkar on Sep 11, 2007 09:44 AM Permalink
this poem is based on Martin Nemoeller's poem on Nazis...
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by Peaceful Ocean on Sep 11, 2007 09:45 AM Permalink
The original was about NAZIs in Germany persecuting JEWs during Hitler's time
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by Chanakya on Sep 11, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
if it a poem, then it should be sung by HIMMMESH RESHMMMIIIYYAAA
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by Libran on Sep 11, 2007 10:12 AM Permalink
Peter, You say BJP will get wiped. But you yourself doubt that because you say if Advani becomes... I agree that BJP is loosing and will not return for at least next 20-25 years and when eventually they come back, there won't be difference between Congi and BJP. We may as well call them congi-1 and congi-2. But I beg to differ from you that it is because of Advani. No the decline of BJP will be because ABV and LKA are old and there is no other leader of their stature in that party. They are the best two individual statesman any party had in India barring Patelji and Shastiji
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by chak on Sep 11, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
well done ganpati u write true things and better this things practically we hindus still officially 80 % in india or may be 70% so if we people in unity we can change any things KEEP IT UP AND SAVE THIS COUNTRY TO BECOME AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY
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by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
Ganpati how can you say Voting BJP will save the nation.Actually More terrorist incidents happened in the period of BJP Government.Parliament was attacked.Plane was hijacked & some radicals were released for hostages.Infact our foreign minister himself went to Afghanistan.So how can you say Voting for BJP will help.Political parties nomatter which,is not the solutions.First Brother remove all the misunderstanding & misconception from your mind about other's belief.Live & let live.Why so much hatred!!Religion is very personal.Keep it aside!!
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by Rahul Punjabi on Sep 11, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
BJP is at least not discriminatory in favor of Muslims. Thts the only reason a Hindu votes for BJP. Hindus live like second class citizen in India Do u imagine any muslim country with 80 % muslim population giving more rights to Non-muslims than muslims.
Islam is the religion which takes over politics once it becomes dominant. Also the first attack of Islamic fundamentalism are people like you aho are bit moderate and have ever defended moderate view of Islam
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by Ganapati Hegde on Sep 11, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
I have never spoken against Muslims in any of my blogs. I respect Islam and also other relgions, however I hate terrorism from the bottom of my heart.
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by Rahul Punjabi on Sep 11, 2007 10:12 AM Permalink
How can you respect Islamwhen it is discriminating and reduces the rights of non-Muslims in Islamic countries.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
Islam comes from the root word Salaam,which means peace. It also means submitting one's will to Allah (swt). The word Salaam is also an attribute of God. In this context, it means The Giver of Peace.Muslims greet each other with Salams which translates to wishing peace for one another.Thus peace is a goal that Muslims are required to strive for, in their own selves, in their families and in their communities.Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect,even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations.The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. May one ask,Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia, and to the East coast of Africa ?
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by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 10:17 AM Permalink
Ganapati,your heart is filled with hatred for Islam & it shows the way you express it through your keyboards.Brother,Good & bad people exist in all section of the society..Scenario is not as good as you think!!US & British evicted palestinians from their land & created a mess there.Israel is illegally occupying palestine & inflicting great damage to the innocent civilians.You know America is interfering in every country's internal affair & even trying to uproot some government.Due to US's foreign policies,they became enemies of some element of muslim society & these element bombed twin towers to teach the imperialist regimes of America a lesson..America bombed Japan & killed millions of people.US & British evicted palestinian from their land & created a mess there.They destroyed Afghanistan & Iraq.& about bombing indian cities well,it is a matter of law & order.Muslim populations is 150 crores.Even if one percent of that population becomes radical,they can turn the world upside-down.But that is not happening.That means muslim as a whole is not involved in any radical activites otherwise there would be bombing every second in these world.The vast majority of law-abiding, righteous Muslims, however, do not make the headlines, the way deviants do.Brother,I hope i answer your question.
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by Ganapati Hegde on Sep 11, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
I don't understand why you are saying that I have hatred against Islam, when I have only spoken against terrorism.
In fact I have good muslim friends. I HATE NO RELGION.
Why do object, if I call my Hindu brothers to unite. Please show me one blog, where I have spoken against Indian Muslims...
I have spoken against illegal Bangladeshis and Pakistan, which supports terrorism.
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by Vikram on Sep 11, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Today 80 % of India is not hindu Considering the pakistan and Bangladesh which were part of India before 1947 , Muslim population is 50 % and hindu population is 50 %
Ismail Sayyed dont try to practice "Takiya " -(mislead non muslim people) here
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by SSCD on Sep 11, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Dear Ismail,
You are heck of a comedian. "From 0 to 15 Crores (or even more?) of muslim in India without a single forcible conversion" must be called a joke of the millenium!
And by the way, your statement of India still having 80% Hindus smacks of un-fulfilled ambitions of Babar/ Aurangzeb/ Taimur/ and Ghori !!
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by Ganapati Hegde on Sep 11, 2007 10:27 AM Permalink
I have never spoken against Islam in any of my blogs. However, I have condemned Terrorists.
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by Sincere Citizen on Sep 11, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
@Ismail - BJP is not anti-Muslim neither is RSS, their reactions or the so-called pro-Hindu fascist ideology has come out in response of the fanatic Islamic ideology and its pampering by the Congress under name of secularism. I understand your pointing at Gujarat riots but not a single Hindu denies it, whereas you see most of Muslims always in denial mode about killings and violence under name of Islam. The only way Muslims can ensure security and peace is by embracing peace and being impartial in condemning violence, for so long as the fanatics exist in Islam there will always be a counter balance coming out of other religions. Even Bush's so called stance against Islam is a survival reaction to the fanatic Islamic killings, its another story that the US actually supported Islamic fanaticism in its early stages to counter capitalism now they find themselves at the receiving end and are not exactly amused.
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by Sincere Citizen on Sep 11, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
mistake correction its not capitalism its communism and USSR
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by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 09:47 AM Permalink
Some Hindus blame Muslims as being vote bank for Congress, come on we dont expect them to vote for barbarics like the BJP and other hindutva groups whom my hindu brothers support and elect. How can we have the balls to point fingers at Muslims who never supported and elected any extreme minded Mulsim political party since independence. They have even rejected the Muslim league who even after so many years cant even win a handful of seats.In contrast Hindus elected the BJP for religious reasons and for bringing down Babari Mosque.Hindus elected BJP in Gujarat for murdering Mulsims, so who are more tolerant? Hindus support terror based parties like Bajrang dal, Shiv Sena, RSS, the list is endless. Lets not get carried away and see the facts and stop representing hinduism here as you all are the worst ambassadors for secular hindus who reject facists and fanatics like the ones in these discussion groups. Would you vote for Militiant groups who claim to be muslims?, no you wouldnt so why should they.
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by Ramesh on Sep 11, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
We appreciate every moderate muslim, they are our brohers, many of my good friends are muslims.
As far as you are talking of Shiv Sena, RSS! there are examples where these parties helped muslims....
What about LeT, Hizb Mujahideen, SIMI, Huji etc... with weapons of quick desruction.. and they use it mindlessly....
You should at the same time should also criicise these groups.
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by Libran on Sep 11, 2007 10:01 AM Permalink
Non-sense. when Babri structure was brought down it was not mosque. Muslims had stopped praying there since 1930s'. Since 1948, there was only a Ram statue there and Pooja continued since Rajiv Gandhi opened the structure for public as a token to nullify the effect of shabhanu case. You speak of Gujrath: You people kill 56 people in cold blood, well planned butchery - and then talk about the instant reaction of people - and don't forget about 500 Hindus were also killed in Gujrath. Remember if you put a cat in dark and torture it, when it can no longer tolerate, it will attack you like a tiger. In Gujrath that was the case. OK RSS is the cause. Yeah right! Even in Russia the problem is because Russia has the three letters RSS. In Thailand and Burma, you guys are creating triuble because RSS troubled you there. UK, USA and other countries are ruled by BJP and that is why you get suffocated and attack innocent people. Come on I did not know RSS is such a strong Global organization.
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by PARAMVIR SAWHNEY on Sep 11, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
Very well said fellow libran.If any Hindu kills anybody(in a communally charged atmosphere)it is always a reactionary act but never a cold blooded,well planned murder( in the name of religion).
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by Rahul Punjabi on Sep 11, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
Pakistan is illegal occupation of Islam in Hindu land. Then they cleansed Hindus from Kashmir valley .Gujrat episode is far less compared to Hindu cleansing of Pakistan. Ismail, I hope you will agree with me over this. Also there is no fatwa ever issued against Laden and alike. Also the rights non-muslims get in Islamic ruled states. You can compare US/UK with Saudi/Iran and you will get the answer for " Who is more tolerant"
it's shame that our NSA doesn't know the meaning of Jihad. It's clearly defined as a war against non-believers by the believers. Saying Jihadis are contract killers is an oxymoron. For Jihadis, muslim who do not cooperate with them are also Kafirs. This way, does Mr. Narayan want to say that violence in J&K is also contract killings, as there are sporadic incidents of Muslims getting killed in blasts at public places?
well, you let the rioters go scot-free in numerous situations, you see terror rising, whats the difference between rioters and terrorists???? none they both are society's enemy and both act upon pre-planned strategy. blame it on yourself.
Most of the utterances of Mr Narayanan are not at all acceptable. Most of them are politically motivated. He plays second fiddle to the present govt.The aim of terrorists is to bring communal divide and destroy Hindu India, and to spread islam here by force.That is why they get strong support from local muslims. In this process they never bother if muslims also suffer.It has been their mission from time immemorial. All political parties, except BJP have soft corner for muslims for their votes.They shamelessly support them even at the cost of precious life of our own people. They may change only when they and their relatives are targeted. The days are not far off. lal
