Hey guys I dont understand you. Kalam is not opposing the deal....he is only suggesting to go thru with the research and be self reliant in the process and few years from now. Kalam is in better position than all of us to understand the neccessity of the deal.
RE:KALAM IS NOT OPPOSING THE DEAL
by Pritam on Oct 24, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Certainly kalam isnt against the deal. But the bad thing is that even after being so educated he is not lending his support for the deal. And as for Timeline for thorium reactors I dont think we should go by kalams word as he was never a part of Nuclear reactors team. If the scientists who are building it are clueless about the deadlines then what right does kalam have to speak of the reactors
RE:Dear Bloggers..........
by Sledge Hammer on Oct 24, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
it seems like he is avoiding the issue, if he comes out openly on the deal, it will send a message to the country
RE:Dear Bloggers..........
by Aman Singh on Oct 24, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
See guys ... he has his political compulsions. But at the same time he is saying go ahead with any deal or dont, whatever be the caes at on point of time India shall be self reliant. And that is perfectly acceptable stand. Only if our politicians could have that kind of a vision. Say Amen !!!
RE:Dear Bloggers..........
by GN on Oct 24, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
YOU ARE RIGHT. HE IS DIPLOMATICALLY AVOIDING THE ISSUE, AS HE IS NOT NOW A DECISION MAKER FOR THIS ISSUE.
I believe he must had been consulted by Congress and even CPMI.
Dr. kalam is doing a right thing by not giving his opinion publicly and avoiding additiong fuel into the controversial debate going on.
All those writing here are not aware that uranium is needed for making thorium a fissile material in the Fast breeder route. India%u2019s first 40 MWt Fast Breeder Test Reactor (FBTR) attained criticality on 18th October 1985. India has developed the technology to produce the plutonium rich U-Pu mixed carbide fuel. Here Uranium is used to produce plutonium and this is mixed with more uranium in a carbide matrix. Nuclear reaction in this fuel leads to production of neutrons.
In the thorium fuel cycle thorium-232 absorbs a neutron in either a fast breeder or thermal reactor. The thorium-233 beta decays to protactinium-233 and then to uranium-233, which in turn is used as fuel. Hence, like uranium-238, thorium-232 is a fertile material. After starting the reactor with existing U-233 or some other fissile material such as U-235 or Pu-239, a breeding cycle similar to but more efficient than that with U-238 and plutonium can be created. Thus from an initial stockpile of uranium and plutonium is needed. This is what we lack. If we use our reserves now we will not have anything left for our nuke bomb programme. Already our reactors have to work under less power because, our reserves are going to last only till next year. Another problem is that the expensive nature of the construction of Fast Breeder Reactor in comparison with the Pressurised Heavy Water Reactors (PHWR) in use. This is one of the main reasons why India is looking at the cheaper option - Uranium fuel.
RE:Fast Breeder Technology
by sujeet kulkarni on Oct 24, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
First time, in recent history our country is praising a Scientist than a funny Bollywood star or Cricket champ. I fill that's big achievement.
RE:UPA only greedy for power
by Aman Singh on Oct 24, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
hey Sam, do we have an alternative. It's always going to be the same kind of people ... Be it BJP or Congress. It all depends on the way a country feels. The political parties will start thinking alike. That becomes there compulsion.
What we were doing for 60 years. Govt. has spent enormous money on scientists but they have let us down. To my knowledge, thorium reactor is 3 stage. We just completed stage 1 and it took us 30 years of research. Dr. Kalam agrees lot of research still needed. But he is too optimistic on his time estimate. I think thorium reactors are still min 30 yrs away. _________indiatvstation.com
Is there any forum that we,those who support the nuke deal can express atleast our anguish.These communists are helping their Fatherland - China and our No 1 enemy Paki by opposing the deal. Can their actions be termed ANTI-NATIONAL?? I am a nationalist and the saddest part is even our rightist have become oppertunist.
RE:Nuke deal supporter
by GN on Oct 24, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
It is easy from our chairs to comment and advise, as we ourself dont have to take the decision.
With Power comes the responsibility. Now the power is been handed over to Congress and CPI by the Indian Majority. So they have to take the decision keeping in mind Indias welfare
The future is not alredy written, Its depend on the decisions what we make today.
The ruling chairs have to consider the fact, the next generation will blame them for any damage to INDIA because the decision they take.
So take a decision considering the benefit of India , and not for saving the chair or for own partys benefits.
Majority trusted you and made you sit on the top, and the top chair have the better view than anybody else.
I personally feel India should opt for developing indegineious systems rather than getting depend on outside countries, but I feel the one on the top chair knows better than me, what is good for India as they have a better wide spread view
His self reliance crap went a little too far when DRDO started producing duds for which Indian army suffered. Wisdom has dawned and India is now looking to buy the best planes and missiles through a global tender.
Indigenous research is important but short cuts must be avoided. The army must be able to chose the best weapon if it has to beat the enemy.
Thorium needs a lot of research before it can be used to produce power and heat. Till then it is all poppycock.
India needs Uranium and not charlatans peddling half-baked theories. Manmohan must be supported by everyone.
RE:Kalam is no nuclear scientist
by SShankar Singh on Oct 24, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
Mr Anurag Srivastav wants us to be dependent on uranium imported from Nuclear Supply Groups. He is sadly forgetting what happened after shakti experiment. Sanctions were imposed by USA nd all other developed nations. We were denied most esential things. These are the consequences of being dependent. Dr APJ Abdulkalam is right. He has faced this situation. We do not want to be armtwisted in to submission. Self reliance is the ideal goal.
RE:Kalam is no nuclear scientist
by Sam on Oct 24, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
When armchair critics like u become experts then india is surely doomed. Did u realise that with ur so called 'best' we can only fight a very short war since those arms can only be in short amount?
what if the war goes for more than a few weeks and drags for months. China has more then enough industrial backing to support a long war. You will have to run to uncle Sam to save ur ass wont you?
Only a strong defense industrial base will save India. Currently a war greater than a month against China with support from Pak is suicidal for India.
RE:Kalam is no nuclear scientist
by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 24, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
Sam ... do you realise that wars today are bound to be short and swift like a 20-20 game. No general has patience for a long war - and they know that gains have to be achieved quickly before international intervention happens. For good money - anything can be bought.
And if you are fighting insurgency - then probably you are not talking of hi-tech weaponary alone but more on training. or for that matter a quagmire like Iraq .
RE:Kalam is no nuclear scientist
by raj on Oct 24, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
Anurag Shrivastava ,Iraq , damn Shia and Sunni muslim fools killing each other. No modern wepons gonna help the sitivation.That is the typical of the Muslim world. All they do is kill each other and blame others.
