Australia's economy is mainly dependent on natural resources. Its already in deal with China for Uranium. (Mind it forget human rights violation in China). It will definetly make deal with India as we are second most eligible customers its totally business. Only one habit Australian politicians or goverment is to dance on the music of Uncle SAM. I think deal is good for india as international atomic authorities will have acces to our nuclear facilities so no one can blaim India for misuse. This is international issue, then why all of a sudden lefts are raising this issue, they must know they are part of India and if they behave like this they will become permanent opposition memebers like BJP.
RE:RE:Australian will definetly sell to India
by Lost Indian on Oct 17, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
This is another pressure tactic of USA, they can only pressurise India but cannot apply more pressure, we have developed when sanctions were imposed its another phase which india has to withstand.
RE:Australian will definetly sell to India
by New Blogger on Oct 17, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
How do u propose to withstand it? What's your suggestion to meet energy needs?
RE:Australian will definetly sell to India
by Lost Indian on Oct 17, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
The problem is we are looking just in a box solutions. Apart from N energy whay not work on wind energy, wind is free fuel prices may go up but wind is always free so its more reliable source of energy. Apart from that we are blesed with good river networks develop hydel power, tidal generaters are working fantastically in France and England we can also have a look at that. Our scientist can put more efforts on developing our own technology for nuke power simeltaneously. If we want to do it every thing is possible. But the govt is projecting as if N-energy is the only source to generate electricity which is wrong. Immediately we can re build the power grid to reduce losses during transmission.
RE:Australian will definetly sell to India
by parisheel wakalkar on Oct 17, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
You are right. Our country one problem is that poplulation is concentared in certain pathces.It is not economical to transport electricity from places where it can be generated through wind energy. Nuclear energy is most clean form energy to develop, offcourse issue of disposal of nuclear waste is there,but ther techniques developed for that as well
RE:Australian will definetly sell to India
by Lost Indian on Oct 17, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
dear Wakalkar, a nuke reactor needs certain guidelines and safety features to install, unfortunately india is a location which heavily depends on nature. The N reactor also needs huge amount of water (specially treated for corrosion and scaling) to cool the reactors. Installing a N reactor is not like installing a yamaha birla genset. Secdondly with the national internal security detoriating no N reactor is safe. We need to first develop ourself for the N energy then think of talking of it. With a nation of 102 crore polulation nothing is impossible we can make all impossible possible if we all unite for a common cause.
RE:Australian will definetly sell to India
by New Blogger on Oct 17, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
Why would they sell to India without the permission from NSG? They are bounded by NSG and India needs to sign NPT or CTBT for this. The ohter alternative was India - US nuclear deal which is in back burner thanks to those who doesn't understand this.
RE:Australian will definetly sell to India
by Venugopalan on Oct 17, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
You are abs. correct. Why should Aussies sell uranium to India without the approval of NSG? China is different case altogether. They are one of the permanent members of Secuity Council and have more clout in the world. We are being isolated internationally and it will take sometime to feel the repercussions.
In any way USA try to grab India to impose all types nuclear laws not to go for utilisation of nuclear waste. But USA does not entitled for this. That will harm the security of the developing nationslike India. USA was never an ally and will never in future, be careful. Once India will sign the contract with USA then tomorrow is there any surety that Australia, the strong ally of USA will say yes to supply uranium always. Forget this. After the responce of PM still USA is hopeful. So be careful Indians. How much power can you generate from nuclear and how many days? If you Indians are so anxious for energy security then why are not you checking the creater of energy demand (population). Check it, work hard and take advantage of all.
RE:It is very good for India...
by New Blogger on Oct 17, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
Why Nuclear Energy can't be used to generate substantial amount of India's needs? Especially with all this Global Warming and Kyoto protocol, India will be forced to reduce the carbon emissions. How do you propose to achieve it? Solar/Wind etc put together will never reach the level of Nuclear Energy. There's nothing to be careful about. No point in nuclear isolation especially if we don't want to explode nuclear bombs.
RE:RE:It is very good for India...
by Rahul Saurav on Oct 17, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
The last sentence of yours is most appropriate for India. There is still apprehension that Australia will supply the nuclear fuel to you always. USA may play with your internal security. At that time you will bound to show your back. Se the Iraq case. Was there any WMD or atom bomb? Nothing... all things went fake..
If population control can not be checked then India will be in serious trouble on fuel security, global climate change, etc... How many years the nuclear will supply electricity to you? Firstly you have no resource. Secondly technically not sound. Thirdly mushrooming population development. fourthly etc etc...
Think for CCS, renewables, natural gas, hydro, etc... Nuclear is not at all a reliable source...
RE:It is very good for India...
by Lost Indian on Oct 17, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Dear New Blogger, just see the developments (Political) in and around india, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Burma are boiling china is much bigger threat to us than any of this we need to have more wepons to ensure china does not take a darastic step. Yes energy and developments are essential but then what was the previous govt's doing when the need for power was faced. All of a sudden they have woke up. We have very good natural resources just in next 5 years there will be huge developments in solar energy and india is blessed with almost 9 months of total sunlight. Secondly a n deal will take minimum 10 years to start producing the electricity so its nothing immediate.
RE:we can seek fuel and nuke tech from china!!
by Vijayan on Oct 17, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
gr8 idea. China is looking for fuel frm other countries, esp. Australia. They even have bought a uranium mine thr. Now China can reexport the fuel 2 India, even though the NSG will be against it. This is coz Karat and other commies can pressurize China to help us. Wont they. We can give China Arunachal Pradesh for helping us. Wont We.
RE:RE:we can seek fuel and nuke tech from china!!
by Rahul Saurav on Oct 17, 2007 11:06 AM Permalink
Yes, it is BJP gave POC to Pak, it is BJP gave some part of India to China... Come on man.. Open the eye... One day this nuclear deal will kill you. What type of energy security are you looking for?
RE:we can seek fuel and nuke tech from china!!
by ss on Oct 17, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
BJP and left shall now take responsibility. Mr. Arun shorie, yashwant sinha and prakash karat should now ensure india's future energy needs either using alternate sources or developing indigenous atomic energy.
RE:we can seek fuel and nuke tech from china!!
by Rahul Saurav on Oct 17, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
Sure three stage nuclear power generation will peak one day... India labours hard....
Don't depend on eother for 100% fuel reliability.. It has negative impacts.
BJP and left shall now take responsibility. Mr. Arun shorie, yashwant sinha and prakash karat should now ensure india's future energy needs either using alternate sources or developing indigenous atomic energy.
RE:BJP and left shall take responsibility
by Vijayan on Oct 17, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
We can burn these antinational elements, these will burn better than uranium or other elements. Unlimited energy for almost nothing. ahahhahahha
RE:BJP and left shall take responsibility
by unni on Oct 17, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Dear Friend,
Comment on such issues only after making sure that you are aware of what is happening around and what the real scenario is......... Otherwise it will be like asking..................
The reverberations of the Lefts irresponsible and reprehensible objections to the nuclear deal, will be fully felt in the decades to come when India flounders due to lack of energy. But then , there will be no one to hold responsible - the Karats and Bardhans would have long gone.
these leftists shud b sent to china!!...they cn serve thm there...wt r they doin' here??.... jyus 'coz USA won the cold war...these leftists think tht any thing thts related to USA is bad...they say they r doin' it for india.... infact they r havin' their own vested interests... instead of wastin time on N-deal ..focus on ur states...there is so much of poverty in bengal.kerala & tripura..ist put ur own house in order!!...& thn talk!!
RE:leftists stink!!
by Sahadevan KK on Oct 17, 2007 12:28 PM Permalink
Congress and Sangh Parivar worked with feudalists even in Kerala before 30 years. They were dividing people again and again in Hindu / Muslim / Christian / caste / creed and befooled everyone. Communist have saved them and educated upto 100% literacy. People's illiteracy and division uses these united goons.
These f**ker communists are really helping China / Pakistan to have upper hand over India. We need N-Deal . Who are these Karats to decide India's future. Who has given authority to these communists to decide the India's future.Our Future Generation is going to suffer lot. These f**kers should be isolated immediately and kept in Jail. A Strong Will PM can sign N - Deal. But we don't have that also.
We , People , Need N- Deal. Please sign it. Otherwise our Future generation will not forgive.
RE:These Pseudo Communisits thrown india in the garbage
by Sukhoi on Oct 17, 2007 10:41 AM Permalink
Problem is not with the Left. Problem is with the strong leadership. Forget Sonia Gandhi, she can never be a good leader. I expected a lots from Manmohan Singh in this nuclear deal, but he too turned out to be weak!
Time has come for India, she NEEDS a man like Putin to lead her into 21st century by making a strong India, thus taking on China (am not blowing here patriotism trumpet, look at Russia now!! It has $12,500 PCI compared to $6500 PCI of China, and $3300 PCI of India!!).
RE:These Pseudo Communisits thrown india in the garbage
by Neeraj Kumar on Oct 17, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
1. It is the poor and uneducated people of India who vote for COMRADES. 2. COMRADES project themselves as messihah of poor people. What wil a poor man want..roti kapda aur makaan..these COMRADES promise that for poor. 3. AND POOR VOTE FOR THEM. WE CAN"T BLAME THEM TOO. WHAT has congress done in it's 45 yrs. rule over India..?? I M NOT SUPPORTERS OF COMRADES, but SEE THE BJP..They are also Opposing Nuclear Deal, but as they r not in power, no one is blaming BJP. If BJP were also in place of Commies, they wud thus also BLOCK Nuclear Deal!!! PROBLEM IS No One sees Nation First, Neither BJP Nor COMRADES.. THIS IS BAD LUCK OF INDIA.
RE:These Pseudo Communisits thrown india in the garbage
by sankara raman on Oct 17, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
i agree.But who is to be blamed.we voters dont have any sense while voting the left and rights. I cannot see any good thing happened in any state where they are rule whether it is Kerala, WB etc
RE:These Pseudo Communisits thrown india in the garbage
by Bharat Engineer on Oct 17, 2007 10:37 AM Permalink
The people of West Bengal & Kerala gave the authority to these communists, by electing so many of their MPs.
This is the danger in entering into any deal with NSGs. They will arm twist us whenever it suits them. They are highly unreliable lot They use such deals as a political weapon. Our Dependence on imported nuclear fuel is not the correct policy. Nuclear power though desirable, it can meet country%u2019s energy requirement only to a limited extent. Our dependence on NSGs for the supply of uranium fuel, however, is going to prove a serious bottleneck. We will do well to pursue Fast Breeder Reactor technology using thorium as fuel of which we have abundant reserves. Uranium is not the answer to our energy requirements. Thorium is. I hope our scientists are already working on this, If not,, the work must be taken in all seriousness and accelerated. Our dependence on petroleum is already hurting. Dependence on imported uranium will add further to our woes. NSG will also arm twist us into submission whenever we don%u2019t submit to their dictates. We will become captive in the hands of western nations. Solution to our problems lies in exploiting hydroelectric power generation to the full extent, exploitation of solar energy to the extent possible which is inexhaustible and is available round the year. Solar energy can meet at least our domestic energy requirements to a great deal. Israel has already done this. Alternative sources of energy like wind power, thermal energy, geothermal energy, tidal wave energy. Fuel cells, hydrogen energy should also be explored. Our coal reserves tho
RE:Australia puts nuclear deal with India on back burner.
by Mohan Kumar on Oct 17, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Thorium based reactors are atleast 2 decades away. Not only because of the time to develop it but also time for it to reach the critical state. Which means even if we have the technology it will take a long time before it begins to generate power. Till then? sit in dark? In next 20 years our demand for energy would have quadraupled or more. Dont we want electricity to all our villages, higher standards of living every where? Where is the electricity going to come from? We need to get our hands on all possible sources of energy. Wind and solar can only supplement...max 10-15% of total needs, fuel cells, hydrogen based energy are not yet suitable for large scale energy generation...it will take years before you have something usable. Bulk of our energy will come from Coal, Oil/Gas, Nuclear and hydro..each of them contributing around 20-25% of our needs. The bottom line is nuclear power is essential and equally important is getting away from the blockage that our research centres face. Please get out this arm twist mind set. Our market is huge and attractive. If someone really does armtwist, we can twist their arms in other ways.
RE:Australia puts nuclear deal with India on back burner.
by on Oct 17, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
Who would you lay your bets on till Thorium, Solar, Hydro all become viable sources of mass energy? The NSG group or the Oil cartel? I would place my bets on the NSG group. By closing that option, we are left with no choice.
RE:Australia puts nuclear deal with India on back burner.
by New Blogger on Oct 17, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
As per the current roadmap Thorium reactors will be ready by 2020 earliest. And then another 10 years to make it operational and safe for pulic and another 10 years for deploying it in mass. Can you wait till 2040? or better to go with this Nuclear deal valid till 2050?
